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ha_rooney said:
Bit of an understatement that :lol: - he's a fantastic CB but he can be a liability with his decisions on & off the field.

Sherman comes across as an intelligent person. He's one of my favourite players in the league.
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God you say that like he's shot himself or something.

Oh wait.
 
Raoul said:
Sherman is great

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I have to admit I had a deep dislike / hatred of him following the Crabtree incidents - but then back then the Seahawks were our rivals!

I think this is a great pickup. His contract is heavily incentive-driven which is good considering he is coming off surgery. But I think he can be a huge asset to our other DBs in practice and I think he is wanting to prove the Seahawks wrong in releasing him.

I liked the clip you posted - I remember this one from a while back (I think this was during the time I detested him) but he comes across so well in interviews - seriously smart guy.

 
Cool so new subject.

Cousins to Vikings rumours seem to be picking up pace
 
swooshboy said:
I have to admit I had a deep dislike / hatred of him following the Crabtree incidents - but then back then the Seahawks were our rivals!

I think this is a great pickup. His contract is heavily incentive-driven which is good considering he is coming off surgery. But I think he can be a huge asset to our other DBs in practice and I think he is wanting to prove the Seahawks wrong in releasing him.

I liked the clip you posted - I remember this one from a while back (I think this was during the time I detested him) but he comes across so well in interviews - seriously smart guy.

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Yeah that was great. Sherman is a pretty big student of the game. He has the same sneakiness about him as Ed Reed had at Safety. The ability to lull QBs into a sense of security and then appear out of nowhere for the INT.

 
  1. Top 10 RB prospects of past 3 NFL draft classes: Barkley No. 1
1) Saquon Barkley, Penn State
Draft class: 2018
The skinny: Barkley is a unique player because of his combination of size, speed, versatility and character.

2) Leonard Fournette, LSU
Draft class: 2017; fourth overall pick, Jacksonville Jaguars
The skinny: I loved Fournette's physical running style coming out of LSU.

3) Ezekiel Elliott, Ohio State
Draft class: 2016; fourth overall pick, Dallas Cowboys
The skinny: Elliott was the best pass-protecting back I've ever evaluated, and he does everything else at a very high level, as well.

4) Christian McCaffrey, Stanford
Draft class: 2017; eighth overall pick, Carolina Panthers
The skinny: McCaffrey's ability to dominate as a route runner/pass-catcher led me to give him a very strong grade coming out of Stanford.

5) Dalvin Cook, Florida State
Draft class: 2017; 41st overall pick (Round 2), Minnesota Vikings
The skinny: Cook was so silky smooth as both a runner and receiver in the Florida State offensive attack.

6) Alvin Kamara, Tennessee
Draft class: 2017; 67th overall pick (Round 3), New Orleans Saints
The skinny: It's still a mystery to me that Kamara fell to the third round of last year's draft.

7) Derrius Guice, LSU
Draft class: 2018
The skinny: It's hard to believe Guice and Leonard Fournette played in the same backfield. How did LSU not win more games?

8) Ronald Jones, USC
Draft class: 2018
The skinny: I love the homerun-hitting ability Jones brings to the table.

9) Sony Michel, Georgia
Draft class: 2018
The skinny: Michel has all of the tools to develop into one of the best running backs in the league.

10) Derrick Henry, Alabama
Draft class: 2016; 45th overall pick (Round 2), Tennessee Titans
The skinny: Henry needs a little bit of room to get going, but I loved the way he carried the Alabama rushing load during his final season in Tuscaloosa. -- Daniel Jeremiah
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ects-of-past-3-nfl-draft-classes-barkley-no-1

Interesting to see that other RBs in this class also look quite highly rated
 
This Cousins saga is making me nervous, I hope the Vikings don't overpay.
 
JPRouve said:
This Cousins saga is making me nervous, I hope the Vikings don't overpay.
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Talk of him getting a 3 year fully guaranteed deal making him the highest paid QB (player?) in the league.

I'm not convinced he's worth it tbh.
 
Rado_N said:
Talk of him getting a 3 year fully guaranteed deal making him the highest paid QB (player?) in the league.

I'm not convinced he's worth it tbh.
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I don't understand what he's done to get a "fully guaranteed" deal. A solid QB but the numbers are insane for someone who has not proven himself in the biggest games.

Found this to be an interesting read about Vikings choosing between Keenum & Cousins - http://www.1500espn.com/vikings-2/2018/03/case-keenum-compare-kirk-cousins/
 
Rado_N said:
Talk of him getting a 3 year fully guaranteed deal making him the highest paid QB (player?) in the league.

I'm not convinced he's worth it tbh.
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I don't see any team that isn't the Jets fully guarantee his contract and that rumour is linked to a 30m/year salary. But it's the NFL, crazy things happen all the time.
 
JPRouve said:
This Cousins saga is making me nervous, I hope the Vikings don't overpay.
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Of course he’ll be overpaid. Massively. Whoever gets him better knows how to manage the cap. Wouldn’t be surprised if he has a cap hit of 30 million or more per season.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
  1. Top 10 RB prospects of past 3 NFL draft classes: Barkley No. 1
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ects-of-past-3-nfl-draft-classes-barkley-no-1

Interesting to see that other RBs in this class also look quite highly rated
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Read somewhere the other day that Barkley is the highest rated back to come out since Adrian Peterson. Whether we believe that or not, even if he is remotely close to the Adrian Peterson class, then he would easily justify going at #1.
 
HTG said:
Of course he’ll be overpaid. Massively. Whoever gets him better knows how to manage the cap. Wouldn’t be surprised if he has a cap hit of 30 million or more per season.
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My point is about the Vikings, I don't care if someone else overpay.
 
JPRouve said:
My point is about the Vikings, I don't care if someone else overpay.
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Yeah, the Vikings could get burned right there. There’s a lot of young talent on that team that has to get paid at some point. Don’t think Cousins would be a good idea for them.
 
Rado_N said:
Talk of him getting a 3 year fully guaranteed deal making him the highest paid QB (player?) in the league.

I'm not convinced he's worth it tbh.
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If that's the sort of money Cousins wants, Broncos would be better off just drafting someone or going for Foles or Keenum.
 
HTG said:
Yeah, the Vikings could get burned right there. There’s a lot of young talent on that team that has to get paid at some point. Don’t think Cousins would be a good idea for them.
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They can pay them and they shouldn't pay all of them anyway, Kendricks for example should/could be replaced through the draft. Waynes is improved but like Kendricks you can find a cheaper option in the draft too, you can free 5m with Murray. So for me it's more about having some flexibilty than about re-signing players.
 
ha_rooney said:
I don't understand what he's done to get a "fully guaranteed" deal. A solid QB but the numbers are insane for someone who has not proven himself in the biggest games.

Found this to be an interesting read about Vikings choosing between Keenum & Cousins - http://www.1500espn.com/vikings-2/2018/03/case-keenum-compare-kirk-cousins/
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Yea I definitely don't think he's done anything to justify it. Anyone paying him that is taking a huge risk. I think Keenum had a purple patch too and isn't worth what he'll likely be looking for.

JPRouve said:
I don't see any team that isn't the Jets fully guarantee his contract and that rumour is linked to a 30m/year salary. But it's the NFL, crazy things happen all the time.
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I read earlier 2 teams are apparently offering the fully guaranteed deal and another is offering a mostly guaranteed deal.

Raoul said:
If that's the sort of money Cousins wants, Broncos would be better off just drafting someone or going for Foles or Keenum.
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At this stage I'm firmly in the "please no" camp. Taking that big of a cap hit on him is a mistake imho.

Use the cap space on other areas, bring in a solid vet on a short term incentive based deal (Bridgewater, Kap, Keenum if he's willing to take a lower pay deal) and trade up to take your pick of the litter at #1.
 
Rado_N said:
Yea I definitely don't think he's done anything to justify it. Anyone paying him that is taking a huge risk. I think Keenum had a purple patch too and isn't worth what he'll likely be looking for.



I read earlier 2 teams are apparently offering the fully guaranteed deal and another is offering a mostly guaranteed deal.



At this stage I'm firmly in the "please no" camp. Taking that big of a cap hit on him is a mistake imho.

Use the cap space on other areas, bring in a solid vet on a short term incentive based deal (Bridgewater, Kap, Keenum if he's willing to take a lower pay deal) and trade up to take your pick of the litter at #1.
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Yep. Keenum would actually be a better option imo. He put up Cousins type numbers last year (infact had a higher rating) and would be significantly less of a cap hit.

If Elway simply drafts someone like Rosen or Allen, then they will likely have another crap year since the draft pick isn't likely to start right away and then they would be forced to go with Siemian or Osweiller again. They need an experienced player to come in and take the reigns right away.
 
It's funny that you mention Kap because I think that he would be the better QB out of that lot and he would fit the Vikings perfectly, if it wasn't for all the drama that will follow him and not necessarily coming from him. And I'm with you on cousins the rumored contrats are too rich for the Vikings or Broncos.
 
JPRouve said:
They can pay them and they shouldn't pay all of them anyway, Kendricks for example should/could be replaced through the draft. Waynes is improved but like Kendricks you can find a cheaper option in the draft too, you can free 5m with Murray. So for me it's more about having some flexibilty than about re-signing players.
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I don’t know if you can find those players as easily as you make it out to be the case. The Vikings should be picking late in the upcoming years. It can actually be difficult to even find serviceable starters there. Running backs of course. But corners for example are tough to find. I’m a cheesehead, I know what I’m talking about. :(
 


Strictly a cap space move imo. Between him and Landry that should get them out of the red.
 
HTG said:
I don’t know if you can find those players as easily as you make it out to be the case. The Vikings should be picking late in the upcoming years. It can actually be difficult to even find serviceable starters there. Running backs of course. But corners for example are tough to find. I’m a cheesehead, I know what I’m talking about. :(
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It's a balancing act, you can't pay everyone particularly on the same side of the ball, you have to make choices and keep the most difficult players to replace. Players like Kendricks and Waynes are the easiest to replace, they are not easy to replace but you can't give big contracts to everyone, you need to have starters on rookie contracts.
 
Raoul said:


Strictly a cap space move imo. Between him and Landry that should get them out of the red.
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Is there another team in the league that has to let go of capable starters as often as the Dolphins? They have a horrible cap management.
 
HTG said:
Is there another team in the league that has to let go of capable starters as often as the Dolphins? They have a horrible cap management.
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They've been horrible since around 2000 when Jimmy Johnson was in charge. One of the worst run teams in the league.
 
Raoul said:
They've been horrible since around 2000 when Jimmy Johnson was in charge. One of the worst run teams in the league.
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Completely agree. I was so shocked when they let Olivier Vernon leave in free agency in order to pay for someone like Mario Williams. Horrible moves they make. They consistently overpay for ageing free agents.

JPRouve said:
It's a balancing act, you can't pay everyone particularly on the same side of the ball, you have to make choices and keep the most difficult players to replace. Players like Kendricks and Waynes are the easiest to replace, they are not easy to replace but you can't give big contracts to everyone, you need to have starters on rookie contracts.
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I get that. We have to do the same things for years. It’s just not as easy as people think. We haven’t had a single corner capable of starting since Shields retired. That’s an awful long time ago. Once you had that big contract to the QB, it’s awfully difficult. That’s why I’m so hesitant about Cousins for the Vikings. They should trey to hold on to proven players and try to get a rookie QB or a cheaper option.
 
HTG said:
I get that. We have to do the same things for years. It’s just not as easy as people think. We haven’t had a single corner capable of starting since Shields retired. That’s an awful long time ago. Once you had that big contract to the QB, it’s awfully difficult. That’s why I’m so hesitant about Cousins for the Vikings. They should trey to hold on to proven players and try to get a rookie QB or a cheaper option.
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I agree about QB situation but it doesn't change anything about what I said, you still can't overpay the other players, in order to have a deep roster you need to have starters/good contributors on rookie contracts. Because that's how you get flexibility in free agency, having a cheap QB shouldn't change that logic.
 
JPRouve said:
This Cousins saga is making me nervous, I hope the Vikings don't overpay.
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But given how good the rest of the team is the Vikings are pretty much in a Superbowl window, which may not last . I say take the risk, sign him, but then its not my team..
 
Raoul said:
Read somewhere the other day that Barkley is the highest rated back to come out since Adrian Peterson. Whether we believe that or not, even if he is remotely close to the Adrian Peterson class, then he would easily justify going at #1.
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Ive heard the same regards Peterson. Having the talent is one thing, performing for a bad Browns team is another!
 
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GloryHunter07 said:
Ive heard the same refards Peterson. Having the talent is one thing, performing for a bad Browns team is another!
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I suspect that they will be an entirely different team with Taylor at QB. He led a fairly mediocre Bills team to the playoffs last year and will in Cleveland have the likes of Landry, Njoku, and Duke Johnson to throw to and potentially Barkley to run the ball. Taylor also has great dual threat skills. He may or may not wind up a long term solution, but he will at a minimum allow whichever younger QB they draft a bit of time to settle in without the pressure of having to deliver results immediately.
 
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