Westminster Politics

It's just that you can trace this, and the Corbyn thread back, and whenever there is a criticism or anything that deviates from praise the same two or three names pounce, immediately. Really fecking quickly actually as if my jibe of a anti-Corbyn bat-signal shining into the sky is actually worryingly close to the truth.

People who seem to have no opinions of their own other than see it as some kind of duty to attack anyone who criticises anything Corbyn says, does (or doesn't say and doesn't do) or any position he's taken in the past or any position he takes at present. Absolutely suffocating any political thread here not about Donald Trump. Only one opinion is allowed, anyone who deviates from that and within moments there's half the Corb Club ready to pounce.

It's the story of any political thread here not about Donald Trump.
I don't mean to be rude but none of this stuff happens, there's been plenty of criticism towards Corbyn(especially before the general election and the recent news about anti semitism in the Labour Party).

I think part of the problem is someone feels like they are getting ''attacked'' when the reality is they are just getting

1)Called out

2)Challenge on their political stance.

A couple of examples. Your views on the local elections - how the Labour gains should be more than moderate considering the who's in charge in the government but when asked what those gains should be, you completely avoid the question and instead talked about people being ''uncultured'', making it sorta of clear that you'll be complaining whatever the local results are. Your stance on Labour's plan to have free buses for the under 25's (you said it shouldn't go to the unemployed) got called out as fecking over the unemployed(Which is it)and it being sort of tory-ish(Which well... it is). None of this stuff is attacking you or some sort of fandom following you around, it's just people talking politics on a forum.

Also(Sorry this bit is rude)I would say it's clear from reading your posts that your failing to understand why the type of politics you like/connect with not only doesn't work electorally anymore but has in part massively help cause the situation we are in today. If your the only running around screaming ''cult' ''cult'' ''it all a cult'' then you might want a re think.
 
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UK government refused to work with a French investigation into money laundering because the criminals gave the tories money.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake...ry-donations?utm_term=.cbENOQMBlN#.esxV1pDKmV
 
Amy Nice, 21, had battled with mental and physical ill health, but fears over her benefits proved the final straw, an inquest in Preston heard yesterday.

Preston Coroner’s Court heard that Chorley artist Amy, who was unemployed, was also struggling to cope financially to provide for herself and her young son.


Coroner James Newman talked of Amy’s underlying physical illness and mental health issues.


He also said that she had been “placed under great financial pressure because of the changes to her benefits”.


He said: “She had a long and documented history of physical illnesses that I believe led to the onset of depression as well.

“In 2016 and 2017 there’s a picture of a cyclical depression and anxiety together with underlying and undiagnosed medical conditions that I can understand would have played on Amy’s mind.

“She had a history of self-harm but there were protective factors - she was well supported by family and friends and she cared for her son.

“However, her condition appears to change quite dramatically in late 2017. I heard that she was under pressure from the DWP, a source of income that she relied upon.



“I can foresee that financial pressure would play massively in a young woman’s mind, a young woman with a young child and with a history of mental illness.

“It would seem to me that matters had been coming to a head and on October 24, 2017 Amy has taken that ultimate step, after dropping her son off at school."

Amy was found by dog-walker Paul Taylor, after she had committed suicide in Birkacre Wood in Chorley on October 24, 2017.

Speaking at the inquest Amy’s mum Joy Nice said: “Universal Credit was a massive thing.”



The inquest heard that because of Amy’s health problems she was in constant pain and was struggling to keep up with the pressure from the job centre to hunt for work.

She was fearful that as changes took place with Universal Credit that she would lose her benefits.

Amy’s GP Dr Susan Heald, who was called to give evidence, told the court that her colleague had given Amy a sick note to hand over to the job centre.

“My colleague felt at the time that she wasn’t capable to be looking for work,” said Dr Heald. She added: “I understand that a lot of the reason behind her depression was financial because she was bringing up her son on her own.

“She was looking after him really well, there was no question about that. There was just one mention of her ex partner being in the scene where she was extremely anxious at one point.”



Dr Heald also told the inquest that Amy had had panic attacks in October 2016, a year before her death, because “her previous partner had been abusive towards her”.

Giving evidence detective inspector Jane Webb of Lancashire Constabulary told the inquest that four handwritten notes were found at the scene of Amy’s death, one to Amy’s family and friends and another to the person who would find her. She said that they told of how Amy was “deeply sorry for her actions but she couldn’t see a way forward”.

The detective inspector added: “It was the ongoing mental health issues that she had coupled with the physical difficulty that she had at the time which were compounded with the financial pressure of providing for herself and her son.” Emma Clayton, a mental health nurse for Start Team, said: “The main part of the assessment was around her benefits and that was causing her a lot of concern.” She said that Start Team commonly hear from people coming to them with concerns over changes to the benefit system.

A DWP spokesperson said: “Our thoughts are with Ms Nice’s family at this difficult time. Suicide is a very complex issue, so it would be wrong to link it solely to someone’s benefit claim. We’re committed to ensuring that people with mental health conditions get the full support that they need.”

For help and support for those suffering from suicidal thoughts, the Samaritans can be found on 116 123.

https://www.lep.co.uk/news/fears-over-benefits-were-final-straw-for-ill-mum-amy-1-9121809
 
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UK government refused to work with a French investigation into money laundering because the criminals gave the tories money.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake...ry-donations?utm_term=.cbENOQMBlN#.esxV1pDKmV

That background response is usually the type of stuff you'd pass to MPs and higher ups for review. I'd be very intrigued to know the process behind approving such requests and if for such high profile cases they get passed up through the chain.

Can't say i read Buzzfeed but that's some very good reporting right there. Main papers have picked it up so will be interesting to see if there's the backlash it deserves
 
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Can't say i read Buzzfeed but that's some very good reporting right there.

It’s crazy how quickly they’ve gone from a ‘50 ways to shave your dog!’ clickbait site, to a place that produces hard hitting investigative journalism.
 
It’s crazy how quickly they’ve gone from a ‘50 ways to shave your dog!’ clickbait site, to a place that produces hard hitting investigative journalism.

That is their business model. The clickbait lists and the like fund the investigative journalism.
 
That is their business model. The clickbait lists and the like fund the investigative journalism.

Good on them. I know that when they produced the Steele dossier though there was a lot of ‘Buzzfeed?! WTF?!’ going around though. Bit of a hard reputation to break.
 
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UK government refused to work with a French investigation into money laundering because the criminals gave the tories money.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake...ry-donations?utm_term=.cbENOQMBlN#.esxV1pDKmV


well actually from the article

"The HMRC response went on to say that Lycamobile would be likely to challenge any raids on its properties in court and may succeed because the French request did not contain enough “solid information”. The request stalled, and Lycamobile’s UK offices were never searched."

so basically they knew the laywers would look at the search warrent and that they did not (at the time) have strong enough evidence for one to be legally granted

so in essence a more accurate interpretation of the story would be Civil service lawyer recommends civil service don't break law... but yeah sure go spin / fake news it any way that suits an agenda
 
well actually from the article

"The HMRC response went on to say that Lycamobile would be likely to challenge any raids on its properties in court and may succeed because the French request did not contain enough “solid information”. The request stalled, and Lycamobile’s UK offices were never searched."

so basically they knew the laywers would look at the search warrent and that they did not (at the time) have strong enough evidence for one to be legally granted

so in essence a more accurate interpretation of the story would be Civil service lawyer recommends civil service don't break law... but yeah sure go spin / fake news it any way that suits an agenda
As opposed to what? Going only after people who are likely to roll over whenever the see a suit? And why even take their political donations into consideration?

The conservative party has practically decimated the serious crime unit. And it's not because people are committing less high level fraud.
 
As opposed to what? Going only after people who are likely to roll over whenever the see a suit? And why even take their political donations into consideration?

The conservative party has practically decimated the serious crime unit. And it's not because people are committing less high level fraud.
So they don't have enough evidence to secure a legal warrent
They know a lawyer is going to scrutinise the warrent
Clearly in that instance they should back off

Unless you fancy a state where the police and judiciary don't actually have to obey laws and provide evidence

The crimes were alleged to have taken place abroad... were investigated abroad and the French authorities did not provide sufficient evidence... perhaps the French police should get a strong enough case?
 
So they don't have enough evidence to secure a legal warrent
They know a lawyer is going to scrutinise the warrent
Clearly in that instance they should back off

Unless you fancy a state where the police and judiciary don't actually have to obey laws and provide evidence

The crimes were alleged to have taken place abroad... were investigated abroad and the French authorities did not provide sufficient evidence... perhaps the French police should get a strong enough case?
The French police had a strong enough case to arrest 19 people for money laundering. Buzzfeed news found evidence of money laundering in the UK. The UK government responded with some tosh about them being donors to the conservative party. How else other than corruption can that be viewed?
 
I'm not sure what is worse - the story, or the fact that she thinks the story is something to be proud of.

Not to appear particularly defensive of the Lib Dems, but it does say in one of the replies that the tightening of sanctions in this case didn't pass and so the Lib Dems managed to get their 5p bag policy without conceding anything in the end. Although relying on the prescience of a party who have mostly destroyed themselves is admittedly stretching a bit.
 
Not to appear particularly defensive of the Lib Dems, but it does say in one of the replies that the tightening of sanctions in this case didn't pass and so the Lib Dems managed to get their 5p bag policy without conceding anything in the end. Although relying on the prescience of a party who have mostly destroyed themselves is admittedly stretching a bit.
According to her other tweets, they'd been advised the changes would be illegal so wouldn't go through, up to people to decide whether they believe that or not. The point she's actually making though is that the Tories have gone from a party that looked at a 5p tax on plastic bags and demanded increased benefit sanctions in return to one proposing the banning of single-use plastics, because state intervention actually worked (see also: sugar tax).
 
The French police had a strong enough case to arrest 19 people for money laundering. Buzzfeed news found evidence of money laundering in the UK. The UK government responded with some tosh about them being donors to the conservative party. How else other than corruption can that be viewed?
No... the article states that the reason a warrent was not executed by hmrc is that their legal advuce qas the evidence provided did not reach the standard Likely to be sufficient for a warrent to be granted in the UK.. . As they knew the warrent was likely to be scrutinised by a lawyer they did not apply knowing it would fail
 
As someone put it on twitter - ''She can’t resign without committing her successor to a change in policy, and the policy cannot change because it’s the prime minister’s pet campaign.''
 
As someone put it on twitter - ''She can’t resign without committing her successor to a change in policy, and the policy cannot change because it’s the prime minister’s pet campaign.''
Something has to give. Both can't possibly hope to ride this out.
 
Something has to give. Both can't possibly hope to ride this out.

I feel like Rudd realised that yesterday, and hence went for that little 'we're not wed to leaving the customs union' play to try and change the media narrative and put pressure on May.
 
A stronger leader would have asked for Rudd's resignation. Or a strong leader who wasn't entirely compromised by the fact she is likely entirely responsible for the complete calamity at the HO. In that respect Rudd is actually in a fair strong position if she doesn't want to resign, as May isn't likely to sack her. feck knows what it says for accountability in politics these days but if Rudd wanted to try and ride this out and hope it goes away for a few weeks, I think the cards are stacked in her favour.
 


Jesus. Surely this finishes her? That’s attempting to pervert the course of justice, plain and simple. She’s literally trying to get rid of a key witness in a case that she’s implicated in.
 
The Tory bots* are in full force on the latest Beeb article today. The highest rated comments are;

What a load of hot air. Some people got mistaken classed as illegal immigration because they’d never bothered to keep identification paper and the lefties go mad. I bet that they’re not really bothered to be honest and are just trying to make mountains out of molehills.

Lammy and Abbot represent everything your average voter detests about opportunistic, over promoted and blatantly racist politicians. The only saving grace is we are now generally spared the now utterly disgraced Vaz also wading in on any cause where the colour of the MP’s skin appears to qualify them to spout nonsense and attack the country that provides them a wonderful and undeserved living.

Getting a bit tired of this Windrush obsession.

The 'Windrush generation' had decades to apply for a British passport but never bothered

*bots might not be the right word. Vote Wankers?
 
If it's a coup they're being a bit obvious about it, with Boris Johnson's sister in law being one of the main journalists uncovering the scandal.
 
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Any Tory coup will involve someone who supports those policies to a greater extent replacing her, to be fair.
If it's a coup they're being a bit obvious about, with Boris Johnson's sister in law being one of the main journalists uncovering the scandal.
True to both but I think they'll want her gone before the next election. Just a matter of when they push.
 
The Tory bots* are in full force on the latest Beeb article today. The highest rated comments are;







*bots might not be the right word. Vote Wankers?
Plenty of them on here too. "Tories blocking raids on the donors? Fake news! feck your evidence!"
 
If it's a coup they're being a bit obvious about, with Boris Johnson's sister in law being one of the main journalists uncovering the scandal.
Doubt anyone wants to be prime minister untill brexit is over.