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Eboue said:
She said she doesn't regret it. That other statement means nothing when you consider that. She's trying to have it both ways.
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Its implicit in her new comment that she regrets the program, which is a newer statement than the one she was criticized for when questioned by Kamala Harris over a week ago.
 
Raoul said:
Its implicit in her new comment that she regrets the program, which is a newer statement than the one she was criticized for when questioned by Kamala Harris over a week ago.
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Or the most recent statement was just made to keep up appearances. It's hardly unheard of in politics.
 
Eboue said:
Or had 5 dems not crossed over to confirm her. 3 Republicans didn't vote for her, they couldn't have gotten it through without the Democrats
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Fortunately we have some who still vote based on the merits and not on tribal loyalty.
 
Eboue said:
Let's never again pretend Democrats care about civil liberties or respect from the rest of the world. They put a torturer into place as the head of the CIA.
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Everyone should care about civil liberties, but they should also weigh each vote based on the merits and not on herd behavior of following their party.
 
A torturer that burnt evidence. But this is the same people that confirmed Betsy Devos
 
Raoul said:
The same reason they have kept the Senate filibuster in place - to preserve some degree of opposition power once they are back in the opposition.
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Democratic Senators then proceeded to filibuster Gorsuch's nomination, after which Republicans invoked the "nuclear option", eliminating the filibuster with respect to Supreme Court nominees
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This is the only notable time the Dems have used the filibuster in the Trump admin, and the GOP nuked it.
 
berbatrick said:
This is the only notable time the Dems have used the filibuster in the Trump admin, and the GOP nuked it.
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Its generally bad to nuke any filibusters. They are there for a purpose to give the opposition some degree of leverage when one party controls both the executive and legislative.
 
Eboue said:
That's why we have a democracy so people can express their views on matters. Not surprised you are so hostile to the democratic process after you earlier called it pointless squealing.
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People can express whatever view they want, but the Senate votes on nominees...and they have.
 
Raoul said:
Its generally bad to nuke any filibusters. They are there for a purpose to give the opposition some degree of leverage when one part controls both the executive and legislative.
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That's irrelevant civics 101.
The GOP have shown repeatedly that they will ignore norms to achieve their goals. They would have done that for Haspel's nomination, and part of the evidence for that is how they did it for Gorsuch's nomination. Thus that tweet shows no understanding of politics or how the GOP works.
 
berbatrick said:
That's irrelevant civics 101.
The GOP have shown repeatedly that they will ignore norms to achieve their goals. They would have done that for Haspel's nomination, and part of the evidence for that is how they did it for Gorsuch's nomination. Thus that tweet shows no understanding of politics or how the GOP works.
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The tweet made a factual statement, which happens to be correct. It doesn't attempt to suggest the GOP are morally pure and wouldn't attempt something similar. The broader point is that filibusters are there for a reason and shouldn't be fiddled with by either party.
 
Raoul said:
The tweet made a factual statement, which happens to be correct. It doesn't attempt to suggest the GOP are morally pure and wouldn't attempt something similar. The broader point is that filibusters are there for a reason and shouldn't be fiddled with by either party.
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Had Dems not invoked the nuclear option in 2013 and GOP kept rules in place, neither Pompeo nor Haspel would have been confirmed by the Senate; both would have fallen short of 60.
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It is referring to a situation beyond the imagination of most rational observers.

Had City not sold Dzeko and had Pep decided to build his team around a target man, City's playing style would have been different.
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Raoul said:
Its a very plausible scenario that was entirely avoidable.
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The GOP not trampling the filibuster is plausible?
(I just showed you that in the *one* time they were stymied by it, they nuked it.)

They infamously overused the filibuster under Obama, and created precedent with how they obstructed Garland.
(Those are other instances of norms that they chose to broke.)

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berbatrick said:
The GOP not trampling the filibuster is plausible?
(I just showed you that in the *one* time they were stymied by it, they nuked it.)

They infamously overused the filibuster under Obama, and created precedent with how they obstructed Garland.
(Those are other instances of norms that they chose to broke.)

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They've been stymied numerous times and still kept the Senate filibuster. So much for your extravagant thesis. ;)
 
So where and to who did this torture happen? Pretty scandalous if it was only suspects, and in America.

If it was a Guantanamo and the subjects were confirmed terrorists, who gives a feck.
 
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