Cop in America doing a bad job, again

I've been driving in US from 2006 and counting the year in India, it's been 11 years. I've been pulled over once I was driving, once when my friend was driving my car. What the feck have you been doing while driving Mike?

Personally, my experience with the cops have been very good. When I was pulled over, he almost let me go with a warning but then noticed I didn't have my insurance with me and my taillight was broken. He almost apologetically gave me a ticket but advised me to go to court and pay the fine of 40 dollars when my case comes up and assured there won't be any points added. Recently, I was involved in a minor bump and there were two women sitting on the car I bumped into. They promptly said both of them had whiplash injuries and their hips and head hurt like hell. Cop came to me and asked me to remain in my car and told me that he is going to insist that the paramedics come to the scene before filing any case. Promptly the women mentioned they didn't want paramedics and the officer let me go.

I think sort of confirms that the cops probably judge by the appearance of the affected. Non-threatening Asian guy in late 30's who appears nervous while talking to a cop means he's not a danger..
 
fishfingers15 said:
I've been driving in US from 2006 and counting the year in India, it's been 11 years. I've been pulled over once I was driving, once when my friend was driving my car. What the feck have you been doing while driving Mike?

Personally, my experience with the cops have been very good. When I was pulled over, he almost let me go with a warning but then noticed I didn't have my insurance with me and my taillight was broken. He almost apologetically gave me a ticket but advised me to go to court and pay the fine of 40 dollars when my case comes up and assured there won't be any points added. Recently, I was involved in a minor bump and there were two women sitting on the car I bumped into. They promptly said both of them had whiplash injuries and their hips and head hurt like hell. Cop came to me and asked me to remain in my car and told me that he is going to insist that the paramedics come to the scene before filing any case. Promptly the women mentioned they didn't want paramedics and the officer let me go.

I think sort of confirms that the cops probably judge by the appearance of the affected. Non-threatening Asian guy in late 30's who appears nervous while talking to a cop means he's not a danger..
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Being polite and cooperative definitely helps with the ticket v warning issue.
 
Raoul said:
Being polite and cooperative definitely helps with the ticket v warning issue.
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I agree, but maybe a black man doesn't get that opportunity because the cop already has a bias that the subject could be dangerous. I'm completely guessing here and it's not true for all of the cops.
 
Eboue said:
how many times have you been pulled over? wtf
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In my lifetime around 15-20 without sitting and adding them up. Mainly speeding but a couple of times for other things. Its been a long time since the last one, which was doing 68 in a 45. It was a road that everyone does at least 55 on though. Believe it or not cops are just people like everyone else. Treat them with respect and follow instruction and you will be OK 99.99% of the time. I think I have only had a run in with one power hungry idiot that wasn't that respectful to me.

Eboue said:
f from a quick google it looks like his local police department has 14 officers.

so is mike getting pulled over by each officer 4 times? is it like a bell curve? is one of the officers his neighbor and sometimes when mike drives by the officer is mowing the lawn and waves at him and they chat about the weather and mike counts that as being pulled over? i have so many questions about this.
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For starters I don't live on Amelia yet, I am currently in north Jacksonville. Most of my stops were in Manchester or Tampa, and one in Columbus Ohio.
 
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Mike Schatner said:
In my lifetime around 15-20 without sitting and adding them up. Mainly speeding but a couple of times for other things. Its been a long time since the last one, which was doing 68 in a 45. It was a road that everyone does at least 55 on though. Believe it or not cops are just people like everyone else. Treat them with respect and follow instruction and you will be OK 99.99% of the time. I think I have only had a run in with one power hungry idiot that wasn't that respectful to me.
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Wtf, you got ICE-T stickers all over your car or something :D?
 
Mike Schatner said:
I have been driving 35+ years now so roughly one stop every two, although the majority were in my twenties. How often does everyone else get stopped? I think my wife has been stopped a few times and she drives like Miss Daisy.
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I've been driving for 12+ years and haven't been stopped yet as a driver (probably has a lot more to do with policing tactics than anything, I've gotten multiple tickets for speeding via speed camera...).

Honestly surprised the difference is that big though.
 
Raoul said:
Funniest bit was when she asked him to call her kid's school to tell them he would be late.
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Its the delicious irony that her daughter was called 'Justice' that got me.
 
Abizzz said:
I've been driving for 12+ years and haven't been stopped yet as a driver (probably has a lot more to do with policing tactics than anything, I've gotten multiple tickets for speeding via speed camera...).

Honestly surprised the difference is that big though.
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There weren't really cameras when I left the UK and they don't use them over here.
 
Eboue said:
id like everyone involved in that video and the false reports filed afterward to be fired thanks
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This is a serious question, and I don’t intend it to be condescending or confrontational, but you obviously feel strongly (as you should), so what are you doing to try and change things rather than posting tweets to a football forum where people (mostly) agree with the issues raised?
 
Skizzo said:
This is a serious question, and I don’t intend it to be condescending or confrontational, but you obviously feel strongly (as you should), so what are you doing to try and change things rather than posting tweets to a football forum where people (mostly) agree with the issues raised?
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i dont know. what can be done to change things? what do you suggest?
 
Milwaukee cops maintaining the exemplary standards set by their (thankfully) recently resigned boss.
 
Eboue said:
i dont know. what can be done to change things? what do you suggest?
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Go on some rides alongs. Talk to some local officers/departments. Have you spoken to any local leaders, politicians etc and asked about current issues they’re working on addressing or struggling with? Any local movements you can reach out to or contact in regards to repairing relations or changing policies?

I don’t see a quick fix, but if it’s something you actually want to try and fix, I think a solid understanding of both sides of the issue would be a good start. You seem reluctant to believe the majority of officers do actually want to do the right thing. I won’t disagree with you that there are horrible people out there who shouldn’t be in those positions, but painting the entire profession as the same doesn’t help you achieve your goal in any way.
 
ive talked to several local officers. i have an uncle who is a police officer. chatting more wont change the real problem, which the party with the huge power imbalance committing acts of violence against the less powerful and there being almost no repercussions for it.

you seem like a good guy and i know you are a policer officer so what are you doing about the problem? can you describe an instance when one of your colleagues used excessive force or made a false report and what you did about it?
 
Eboue said:
ive talked to several local officers. i have an uncle who is a police officer. chatting more wont change the real problem, which the party with the huge power imbalance committing acts of violence against the less powerful and there being almost no repercussions for it.

you seem like a good guy and i know you are a policer officer so what are you doing about the problem? can you describe an instance when one of your colleagues used excessive force or made a false report and what you did about it?
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You’re assuming all offices across the country are the same. Our area office just fired an officer for that very reason. That’s not even taking into account the department as a whole. On a daily basis, I know myself and the officers I work with are held to a higher standard than most departments across the country, and if we don’t meet those standards, there’s action taken.
 
Mike Schatner said:
In my lifetime around 15-20 without sitting and adding them up. Mainly speeding but a couple of times for other things. Its been a long time since the last one, which was doing 68 in a 45. It was a road that everyone does at least 55 on though. Believe it or not cops are just people like everyone else. Treat them with respect and follow instruction and you will be OK 99.99% of the time. I think I have only had a run in with one power hungry idiot that wasn't that respectful to me.



For starters I don't live on Amelia yet, I am currently in north Jacksonville. Most of my stops were in Manchester or Tampa, and one in Columbus Ohio.
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When I moved to US I got a few tickets in the first year because I used to drive like most Portuguese (maniacs) with basically no police to New Jersey where 99.9999% of the population are cops, my first 10 years I always had too many points in my license but then with 2 kids the insurance started to bite me.
 
barros said:
When I moved to US I got a few tickets in the first year because I used to drive like most Portuguese (maniacs) with basically no police to New Jersey where 99.9999% of the population are cops, my first 10 years I always had too many points in my license but then with 2 kids the insurance started to bite me.
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Most of my stops were actually in the UK. In the US I think I have been pulled over five times.
 
Skizzo said:
You’re assuming all offices across the country are the same. Our area office just fired an officer for that very reason. That’s not even taking into account the department as a whole. On a daily basis, I know myself and the officers I work with are held to a higher standard than most departments across the country, and if we don’t meet those standards, there’s action taken.
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No, I'm not. I'm saying there is a preponderance of evidence that the issues with police in this country go far beyond a few bad apples. Not every police officer is someone who uses violence and harassment against the people they are supposed to protect but a not insignificant amount of them do. And yet there is a culture of protecting the ones that do by other police officers.
 
Skizzo said:
This is a serious question, and I don’t intend it to be condescending or confrontational, but you obviously feel strongly (as you should), so what are you doing to try and change things rather than posting tweets to a football forum where people (mostly) agree with the issues raised?
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Aren't civilians just expected to follow the law? Why can't we have the same standard for you and not have to go the extra mile to ensure it?
 
Skizzo said:
Go on some rides alongs. Talk to some local officers/departments. Have you spoken to any local leaders, politicians etc and asked about current issues they’re working on addressing or struggling with? Any local movements you can reach out to or contact in regards to repairing relations or changing policies?

I don’t see a quick fix, but if it’s something you actually want to try and fix, I think a solid understanding of both sides of the issue would be a good start. You seem reluctant to believe the majority of officers do actually want to do the right thing. I won’t disagree with you that there are horrible people out there who shouldn’t be in those positions, but painting the entire profession as the same doesn’t help you achieve your goal in any way.
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That first part of your post is so patronising. This is just another example of what cops do best!

And both sides of the issue??? Fact of the matter is that cops who choose to take on that profession should be irreprehensible and always acting within the codes by which they are bound. I can't think of any reason why they should deviate from that.....unless they are inherently bent.

People always seem to rationalise bad police behaviour by reminding everyone that these are isolated incidents and not representative of the police force as a whole. It's only because of the developments in phone technology and social media that these scum are being held to account more now.
 
RedPed said:
That first part of your post is so patronising. This is just another example of what cops do best!

And both sides of the issue??? Fact of the matter is that cops who choose to take on that profession should be irreprehensible and always acting within the codes by which they are bound. I can't think of any reason why they should deviate from that.....unless they are inherently bent.

People always seem to rationalise bad police behaviour by reminding everyone that these are isolated incidents and not representative of the police force as a whole. It's only because of the developments in phone technology and social media that these scum are being held to account more now.
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Do you even know or understand "the codes"?
 
RedPed said:
That first part of your post is so patronising. This is just another example of what cops do best!

And both sides of the issue??? Fact of the matter is that cops who choose to take on that profession should be irreprehensible and always acting within the codes by which they are bound. I can't think of any reason why they should deviate from that.....unless they are inherently bent.

People always seem to rationalise bad police behaviour by reminding everyone that these are isolated incidents and not representative of the police force as a whole. It's only because of the developments in phone technology and social media that these scum are being held to account more now.
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It wasn’t intended to be patronizing at all. Someone asked what I suggest they could do, and I offered some suggestions in terms of reaching out to law enforcement as well as local groups who may have a solid understanding of community issues and events. Not sure how you took such offense to it

I’m not sure who you seem to think is rationalizing or making excuses for bad behavior in here. I think anyone tied to law enforcement who posts here has taken a similar stance on the issues as most, while also maintaining there’s far less “scum” than you’d like to believe.
 
choiboyx012 said:
Do you even know or understand "the codes"?
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Feck sake, you really are a patronizing lot! Medical practitioners have the Hippocratic oath so you generally don't expect them to be abusing their power and wilfully harming people that have implicit trust in them. Imagine the implications of having a few 'bad apples' within the health service.

People have the same high expectations of their police forces and rightly so. I'm guessing they have extensive training on legislation, codes of conduct etc. I'm no copper but it's not rocket science as to what boundaries or high standards they should maintain at all times.

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It wasn’t intended to be patronizing at all. Someone asked what I suggest they could do, and I offered some suggestions in terms of reaching out to law enforcement as well as local groups who may have a solid understanding of community issues and events. Not sure how you took such offense to it

I’m not sure who you seem to think is rationalizing or making excuses for bad behavior in here. I think anyone tied to law enforcement who posts here has taken a similar stance on the issues as most, while also maintaining there’s far less “scum” than you’d like to believe.
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Why should we have to reach out to law enforcement agencies? They really should be focusing on getting their house in order to prevent these injustices from happening in the first place. We shouldn't have to understand why a group of cops might beat down on an innocent victim or use excessive force. It shouldn't be happening in the first pace.
 
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RedPed said:
Why should we have to reach out to law enforcement agencies? They really should be focusing on getting their house in order to prevent these injustices from happening in the first place. We shouldn't have to understand why a group of cops might beat down on an innocent victim or use excessive force. It shouldn't be happening in the first pace.
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I didn’t say you had to. It was a suggestion to someone who asked a question. Not a requirement, a suggestion. I see no harm in suggesting a ride along to someone who has concerns or questions about the day to day happenings in law enforcement. Not to mention getting that face time with an officer/department to help raise concerns of your own.

I didn’t say it solves all the problems, but I fail to see what problems you see with that kind of community relation.
 
Skizzo said:
I didn’t say you had to. It was a suggestion to someone who asked a question. Not a requirement, a suggestion. I see no harm in suggesting a ride along to someone who has concerns or questions about the day to day happenings in law enforcement. Not to mention getting that face time with an officer/department to help raise concerns of your own.

I didn’t say it solves all the problems, but I fail to see what problems you see with that kind of community relation.
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The guy asked what can be done to change things and you suggested that he reach out. You really think that is going to help?? It's the responsibility of the police to be building the community relations by being transparent, trustworthy and basically just doing their fecking job! The general public shouldn't have to make any effort to do this. I don't understand why you seem intent on putting the onus on the public to reconcile their understanding of police behaviour rather than focusing on why it is happening in the first place.

Ride-alongs should just be for people who are curious as to what cops do on a day-to-day basis, not for building faith and trust in their police services.

Reasoning with a cop after an incident of police brutality is just like reasoning with a gun lobbyist after yet another mass shooting. They will always find excuses and justifications.
 
RedPed said:
The guy asked what can be done to change things and you suggested that he reach out. You really think that is going to help?? It's the responsibility of the police to be building the community relations by being transparent, trustworthy and basically just doing their fecking job! The general public shouldn't have to make any effort to do this. I don't understand why you seem intent on putting the onus on the public to reconcile their understanding of police behaviour rather than focusing on why it is happening in the first place.

Ride-alongs should just be for people who are curious as to what cops do on a day-to-day basis, not for building faith and trust in their police services.

Reasoning with a cop after an incident of police brutality is just like reasoning with a gun lobbyist after yet another mass shooting. They will always find excuses and justifications.
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This is what I was saying when I first started posting in this thread. I gave up in the end as it wasn't going down well at the time.
 
RedPed said:
The guy asked what can be done to change things and you suggested that he reach out. You really think that is going to help?? It's the responsibility of the police to be building the community relations by being transparent, trustworthy and basically just doing their fecking job! The general public shouldn't have to make any effort to do this. I don't understand why you seem intent on putting the onus on the public to reconcile their understanding of police behaviour rather than focusing on why it is happening in the first place.

Ride-alongs should just be for people who are curious as to what cops do on a day-to-day basis, not for building faith and trust in their police services.

Reasoning with a cop after an incident of police brutality is just like reasoning with a gun lobbyist after yet another mass shooting. They will always find excuses and justifications.
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That's the thing though. Most people without the knowledge or understanding of police training, policy, and tactics often interprets a particular incident as police brutality, when from a police perspective the same incident can be articulated to be justified. Those who understand use of force policy would know that it is almost never black and white in theory and/or in practice.

You might not care for it but the couple POs here have willingly given that perspective and any other insight as to "why it is happening in the first place," as unpopular as it may be. I think it's important and beneficial to share these perspectives as an "insider" actually working the profession, and i enjoy doing so. It's my own small way of reaching out and being transparent.
 
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choiboyx012 said:
That's the thing though. Most people without the knowledge or understanding of police training, policy, and tactics often interprets a particular incident as police brutality, when from a police perspective the same incident can be articulated to be justified. Those who understand use of force policy would know that it is almost never black and white in theory and/or in practice.

You might not care for it but the couple POs here have willingly given that perspective and any other insight as to "why it is happening in the first place," as unpopular as it may be. I think it's important and beneficial to share these perspectives as an "insider" actually working the profession, and i enjoy doing so. It's my own small way of reaching out and being transparent.
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Would you snitch on an officer if you saw them doing something illegal?
 
Eboue said:


literally nothing the police in this country say can be trusted. a large number of them are violent criminals and almost all of the others lie to protect the violent criminals
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How can you make any judgement based on that video clip? I could barely see shit. There’s also no context of why he was stopped
 
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(not america but still, anyone who asks for automatic reverence for police, army etc. can feck off)
 
golden_blunder said:
How can you make any judgement based on that video clip? I could barely see shit. There’s also no context of why he was stopped
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Here's the longer video and some context. He was stopped outside a walgreens at 2 am for parking across two lanes in an empty parking lot. Then several officers surround him, force him to the ground and tase him. Then they charged him with resisting arrest (so they lied). Only when the video comes out do the police change their tune and start apologizing.

https://deadspin.com/milwaukee-police-release-video-of-bucks-sterling-brown-1826275081


So we've got excessive force, trumped up charges, lying and after all this the police haven't released the name of the arresting officer. Only now, 4 months after the police abuse of a citizen, was the officer suspended for 2 days. It's a farce
 
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