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Cop in America doing a bad job, again
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
He's currently looking up common law precedents in NJ.
What's he gonna say tho really? "Well if she had a brown paper bag......"
Yeah will get you some glasses from there so you can see the timestamp of that post.
admit he was wrong
The timestamp is after the full video was released so unsure of your point? You can be the new Arsene Wenger now the great man has left the Prem!
The timestamp is after the full video was released so unsure of your point? You can be the new Arsene Wenger now the great man has left the Prem!
My point being that you were defending police hitting the girl before the video was released and then claiming that your post after the video has been released somehow means that you were never defending them to begin with.
Point is I wasn't. You clearly can't read or have no grasp of what I was saying.
As said try reading it again.
That was really bad! Within a couple of minutes those two idiot police officers manage to turn a woman sitting on a public beach with her friends, minding her own business, breaking no laws, into a violent assault! The woman's behaviour wasn't even unreasonable.
That cop on the beach is fecking infuriating. I hate violence but want to do exactly the same to him.
Good luck with that
Is there really any need for name calling and hostility just because someone doesn't see the world through your anti police eyes.
Just so everyone is clear you can't even take alcohol on many beaches in the US, including the beach in question. Of course lots of people do it but the smart ones simply take the warning and dump the booze. The cops were actually cutting her a break by waiting for her Aunt because she said it was her alcohol. When the Aunt didn't show up all they wanted her to do was ditch the alcohol. That is standard practice on most beaches. If she had just kept cool and followed simple instructions no citation or arrest would have occurred.
Her lip helped escalate the situation although the cops could have handled it a lot better. Refusing to give her name left the officer one option, arrest her. It may come as a shock to many but you can’t refuse simply instructions like a request for your name in many States, including NJ. You also can’t resist arrest and officers have the right to use force as necessary. So she literally talked and acted herself into an arrest, which is a bit of a Darwinist move when you are already on four years probation.
Was it excessive force, yes probably, but she didn’t receive any injuries and it subdued her so the officer can argue it was an acceptable level of force. Both the Mayor and Police Chief have both stated after seeing the body-cam the officer did a decent job although it could have been handled differently. Most likely outcome here is they cut the officer loose. He was only seasonal and unless he has an impeccable record it’s just easier from a public relations stand point.
If you want an objective opinion on what occurred the article below is decent.
We spoke with three experts — Former Morris County prosecutor Robert Bianchi, civil rights attorney Kevin Costello and attorney Peter Alfinito, a former cop who is now president of the Burlington County Fraternal Order of Police Lodge No. 2 — to get their thoughts on some of the questions raised by the videos.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/qa_heres_what_you_should_know_about_the_woman_punc.html
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When people get smart and think they know the law situations like this occur. She was also intent on telling the cops what they could and couldn't do, and she was wrong on every count.
Q: Did Weinman have to give her name to the officer?
Alfinito: "In my opinion, if an officer believes an infraction was committed, then she's got to give her name." Even when the officer initially planned to have her just pour out the alcohol and let her go without a ticket, it would be common sense for the officer to get her name in case she was later accused of another infraction after the officers left the area, he noted.
Costello: If an officer has probable cause and tries to issue a citation and the recipient won't provide identification, well, "now the person is resisting arrest."
Bianchi: In Weinman's case, the request was lawful because a summons was being issued.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/05/qa_heres_what_you_should_know_about_the_woman_punc.html
as expected from mike
Q: Can you remain silent and not respond to an officer's questions?
Bianchi: "Of course nobody has an obligation to speak to the police during an investigation. That's a basic Fifth Amendment right."
same article
Yup @vi1lain called it....
An offense had been committed and a citation was going to be written.
What?
No force is acceptable for such a nothing law.
If the person is being a fecker about it just write them a ticket or whatever it is they do and leave it. Everyone wins.
They genuinely couldn't have done a worse job. Well, they could for cops in America, but without killing anyone, they couldn't have done it worse.
The fact that anyone would try to excuse that police brutality is pathetic.
Horrific video and shameful from the police in that instance.
Horrific video and shameful from the police in that instance.
A experts in the article I posted practically say the same as things I have said.
That tagline
Who did it?
Who did it?
this whole thing happened because the cop thought she was drinking and was embarrassed when she passed the breathalyzer and decide to cite her for a bullshit violation
What?
No force is acceptable for such a nothing law.
If the person is being a fecker about it just write them a ticket or whatever it is they do and leave it. Everyone wins.
Hard to write a citation without someones name. Only option after that is arrest.
I love how mike assumes that not writing a citation isnt an option. It doesnt occur to him that people enjoying a holiday weekend on a beach would have a better time if the cop just fecked off.
The obvious option would be to attempt to calm the situation down before asking again. If she's walking off then follow or wait til she comes back. I doubt people checking a beach for alcohol have much to do.
This is if she was deserving of a citation and you felt you had to give one, which she isn't.
after she passed MULTIPLE breathalyzers the cop should have apologized and moved on
You are making the laws and narrative up to suit your own views.
Simply having alcohol is an offense. Being tagged by the cops and told to dump your booze is an ever day event on Florida beaches. They are not meant to leave the scene until someone pours the alcohol out.
She turned a simple warning into a drama.
Has it ever occurred to you that cops harassing people on beaches is actually a Bad Thing?
Police play crappy laws by ear all the time, and it makes sense to show common sense with them. It's also a good way to earn the police as a whole some respect from people, specially if said police are constantly getting a bad rep.
Has it ever occurred to you that people tend to drown in pools and the ocean quite a lot. It occurred to my wife the first few weeks working ER in Florida when she saw multiple drowning victims. Has it ever always occurred to you that up to 50% of drowning are alcohol related. Not to mention the nuisance people drinking often cause other people on the beach.
I love to drink a few cold bears at the beach but I know if I get caught I face a citation. The law is there for a reason as much as I like to break it. Thankfully most cops just ask you to pour it out unless you're not obviously drunk.
That is exactly what the officers were initially trying to do. First concern was she was an underage drinker. However its still illegal to have alcohol on the beach and normal practice pour it away and avoid a citation. Unless you're drunk or not cooperative.
A grown man punched a small girl in face. Twice. You absolute whopping melon.
she should have done the right thing and been a bootlicker
Which is fine if they must, but everything that happened afterwards was ridiculous. They were clearly looking for whatever they could get. They either had no idea how to handle someone not complying or were desperate to use force. Probably both.
Heres an article from a few years ago about Belle Isle, an urban park in the detroit river. After detroit went bankrupt, a deal was made to turn the city park into a state park and with that change, the police department responsible for the island changed too. The article is from 2014. It explains how there are plenty of laws that city police use judgment on enforcing and and how state police weren't as understanding as city police. It expressed optimism that they will learn.
Spoiler alert: they haven't. I got ticketed there last summer for having a red solo cup on the beach. Two cops literally came through and ticketed every single person on the beach with any cup. Mine had alcohol in it but plenty didnt. State police indiscriminately ticketed us all. They didnt even check for alcohol. The tickets were eventually thrown out en masse after I had to take a day off work and go to court.
The point is, cops can use judgment and let people enjoy their public parks when they aren't harming anyone or they can choose to harass intimidate and assault members of the public who are minding their own business. feck police who do the latter.
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/articl...-sharp-contrast-to-detroit-cops-on-belle-isle
Spoiler alert: they haven't. I got ticketed there last summer for having a red solo cup on the beach. Two cops literally came through and ticketed every single person on the beach with any cup. Mine had alcohol in it but plenty didnt. State police indiscriminately ticketed us all. They didnt even check for alcohol. The tickets were eventually thrown out en masse after I had to take a day off work and go to court.
The point is, cops can use judgment and let people enjoy their public parks when they aren't harming anyone or they can choose to harass intimidate and assault members of the public who are minding their own business. feck police who do the latter.
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/articl...-sharp-contrast-to-detroit-cops-on-belle-isle
She wasnt drinking. She passed multiple breathalyzers.
Has it occurred to you that you may be recovering from a major brain injury?