Cop in America doing a bad job, again

Eboue said:
Spoiler alert: they haven't. I got ticketed there last summer for having a red solo cup on the beach. Two cops literally came through and ticketed every single person on the beach with any cup. Mine had alcohol in it but plenty didnt. State police indiscriminately ticketed us all. They didnt even check for alcohol. The tickets were eventually thrown out en masse after I had to take a day off work and go to court.
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Even in strict Norway cops won't give a damn about people enjoying a few at the beach or in the park. In most cities they won't even mind if you spark one up.

I reckon it might be Detroit police trying on the NYC strict line policy that seemed to work statistics wise under Giuilanni though.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Even in strict Norway cops won't give a damn about people enjoying a few at the beach or in the park. In most cities they won't even mind if you spark one up.

I reckon it might be Detroit police trying on the NYC strict line policy that seemed to work statistics wise under Giuilanni though.
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Detroit police were actually reasonable. Its the state police that were the problem.
 
Eboue said:
Detroit police were actually reasonable. Its the state police that were the problem.
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Yeah, I have no idea about that stuff. Around here police is police, no state, local or federal or whatever.
 
Eboue said:
I love how mike assumes that not writing a citation isnt an option.
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I think that's the key bit here. Discretion. The situation could have been resolved without all the aggro and the officer could have simply thought I'll let that go and give some advice, especially seeing as she'd passed the test.

Policing is about common sense.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Even in strict Norway cops won't give a damn about people enjoying a few at the beach or in the park. In most cities they won't even mind if you spark one up.

I reckon it might be Detroit police trying on the NYC strict line policy that seemed to work statistics wise under Giuilanni though.
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Me and my friends were drinking in a park at night. A squad car approached and an officer came up to us. He said "I hope you boys are having a nice evening. However, I'll have to ask you to not drink here please. I'll come back in 30 minutes to give you a chance to pack up."

It was technically against the law to drink in the park. But he saw that we weren't littering or causing a fuss or being rowdy. So we finished up and left and he didn't shoot or beat us. No drama. The officer made the community a better place without antagonizing or aggravating the community's constituents. That's how it should be.
 
TheReligion said:
I think that's the key bit here. Discretion. The situation could have been resolved without all the aggro and the officer could have simply thought I'll let that go and give some advice, especially seeing as she'd passed the test.

Policing is about common sense.
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Exactly.
 
Fridge chutney said:
Me and my friends were drinking in a park at night. A squad car approached and an officer came up to us. He said "I hope you boys are having a nice evening. However, I'll have to ask you to not drink here please. I'll come back in 30 minutes to give you a chance to pack up."

It was technically against the law to drink in the park. But he saw that we weren't littering or causing a fuss or being rowdy. So we finished up and left and he didn't shoot or beat us. No drama. The officer made the community a better place without antagonizing or aggravating the community's constituents. That's how it should be.
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Yeah, that is how it should be handled.

I think the policing in the US is reflective of the society as a whole though, more vigilante and macho oriented. Most European cops will know that a few teenagers drinking a few or sparking one up in the park doesn't matter, US cops will somehow see it as an intrusion on their territory.
 
Eboue said:
She wasnt drinking. She passed multiple breathalyzers.

I love how mike assumes that not writing a citation isnt an option.
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She wasn't getting a citation for drinking. The citation was for having alcohol on the beach. That could have been avoided by simply shutting her mouth and pouring the booze away. The arrest could have been avoided by shutting her mouth and giving them her name. The forceful arrest could have been avoided by not striking the officer then resisting.

All that is irreverent to the original video. The police were simply doing their jobs and did absolutely nothing wrong apart from maybe using a little too much force.
 
Fridge chutney said:
Me and my friends were drinking in a park at night. A squad car approached and an officer came up to us. He said "I hope you boys are having a nice evening. However, I'll have to ask you to not drink here please. I'll come back in 30 minutes to give you a chance to pack up."

It was technically against the law to drink in the park. But he saw that we weren't littering or causing a fuss or being rowdy. So we finished up and left and he didn't shoot or beat us. No drama. The officer made the community a better place without antagonizing or aggravating the community's constituents. That's how it should be.
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Very nice anecdote. However this a beach with a big wet thing called an ocean next to it. With 50% of drowning alcohol related giving someone 30 minutes to chuck their booze is not a sensible option.
 
Mike Schatner said:
The police were simply doing their jobs and did absolutely nothing wrong apart from maybe using a little too much force.
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Christ on a fecking cracker. Are you really this big of a cnut? And in what world is hammerfisting someone in the head, twice, "a little too much force"?

Your opinions on this disgust the hell out of me, to be frank.
 
Mike Schatner said:
Very nice anecdote. However this a beach with a big wet thing called an ocean next to it. With 50% of drowning alcohol related giving someone 30 minutes to chuck their booze is not a sensible option.
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Yes but maybe not exercising police brutality would be the sensible option. There is a middle ground here.
 
Fridge chutney said:
If you watch that video and conclude that the police did "absolutely nothing wrong" then I sincerely question your judgement.
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Way to misquote and take a post out of context LOL

FYI, police chief, mayor and the three lawyers in the link I posted, one a civil rights lawyer, didn't see much wrong with what occurred. My judgement is perfectly fine thank you very much.
 
Mike Schatner said:
Very nice anecdote. However this a beach with a big wet thing called an ocean next to it. With 50% of drowning alcohol related giving someone 30 minutes to chuck their booze is not a sensible option.
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You're really clinging to this. As if there's even a high chance of someone drowning by giving them 30 mintues :lol:
 
Must be a WUM
 
Mike Schatner said:
Way to misquote and take a post out of context LOL

FYI, police chief, mayor and the three lawyers in the link I posted, one a civil rights lawyer, didn't see much wrong with what occurred. My judgement is perfectly fine thank you very much.
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Appeal to authority. Nice.
 
Mike Schatner said:
She wasn't getting a citation for drinking. The citation was for having alcohol on the beach. That could have been avoided by simply shutting her mouth and pouring the booze away. The arrest could have been avoided by shutting her mouth and giving them her name. The forceful arrest could have been avoided by not striking the officer then resisting.

All that is irreverent to the original video. The police were simply doing their jobs and did absolutely nothing wrong apart from maybe using a little too much force.
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You're a twat and I'm done discussing this issue with you.
 
Mike Schatner said:
Way to misquote and take a post out of context LOL

FYI, police chief, mayor and the three lawyers in the link I posted, one a civil rights lawyer, didn't see much wrong with what occurred. My judgement is perfectly fine thank you very much.
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What context am I missing? That the uppity b!tch did enough to warrant a beating to the head? She should know her place in front of the officer who had no choice but to punch her in the head while she was on the ground?

Help me here, I'm struggling to understand the context that warrants what I'm seeing in that video.
 
I quoted the amnesty international guide lines for the use of force for law and order professionals.

You should use the minimum amount of force required. That is objectively not the case here. Ergo, by international guidelines the officer hammer fisting an unarmed 90 pound girl is doing something wrong. No two ways about it really. The correlation between alcohol and drowning is irrelevant and so is the fact that she’s not cooperating.
 
VeevaVee said:
You're really clinging to this. As if there's even a high chance of someone drowning by giving them 30 mintues :lol:
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So if you chug a few cans of beer in 30 minutes rather than pouring it away you aren't going to be a little impaired for a few hours? Great thought process you have there.

The pouring the booze away is a sensible policy for lots of reasons. It prevents someone getting necessarily drunk, it allows the cops to go on about their business and the best bit about it is you avoid a citation.
 
Mike Schatner said:
So if you chug a few cans of beer in 30 minutes rather than pouring it away you aren't going to be a little impaired for a few hours? Great thought process you have there.

The pouring the booze away is a sensible policy for lots of reasons. It prevents someone getting necessarily drunk, it allows the cops to go on about their business and the best bit about it is you avoid a citation.
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Was there anything to suggest she was going to be pounding brewskies?

What's more likely: That she'd have gotten blind drunk and drowned? Or sustained serious injury from being hammerfisted in the head by a psychopath on a powertrip?
 
Wait, so what really happened is the cop saved the girl from drowning by TKO?

Hero if you ask me.
 
Halftrack said:
Was there anything to suggest she was going to be pounding brewskies?

What's more likely: That she'd have gotten blind drunk and drowned? Or sustained serious injury from being hammerfisted in the head by a psychopath on a powertrip?
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Its just policy on beaches to make people pour their alcohol away before moving along. The police aren't supposed to touch the person property so you are given a choice pour it away or get a citation. Pretty damned straight forward really. The cops weren't going anywhere until that booze was dumped by the girl or her aunt.
 
Mike Schatner said:
You actually quoted half a sentence when the second part was extremely relevant.
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Ok, let's unpack that second part:

Mike Schatner said:
apart from maybe using a little too much force.
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Maybe? Maybe???? How can you sit on the fence here? He either used a satisfactory amount of force or he didn't.

"A little too much force"... do me a favour. He beat the back of her head. Speculatively saving her from drowning (your reasoning...:lol:) justifies risking concussion or brain damage that could result from beating the back of her head? I find your attempt to diminish this clear brutality reprehensible, which is why I omitted the second part of your sentence.
 
Fridge chutney said:
Ok, let's unpack that second part:


Maybe? Maybe???? How can you sit on the fence here? He either used a satisfactory amount of force or he didn't.

"A little too much force"... do me a favour. He beat the back of her head. Speculatively saving her from drowning (your reasoning...:lol:) justifies risking concussion or brain damage that could result from beating the back of her head? I find your attempt to diminish this clear brutality reprehensible, which is why I omitted the second part of your sentence.
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Funny thing about the back of the head. Even in MMA it is illegal to punch someone in the back of te head.

Elbowing someone in the face untill they pas out? Sure! Kneeing someone in the face untill they nearly vomit their entrails out? No problem! A punch to the back of the head? No sir, too dangerous!

And with that, Im out.
 
Silly question, but appears to be a common thing, Where do they pour the drinks away?
 
Mike Schatner said:
Its just policy on beaches to make people pour their alcohol away before moving along. The police aren't supposed to touch the person property so you are given a choice pour it away or get a citation. Pretty damned straight forward really. The cops weren't going anywhere until that booze was dumped by the girl or her aunt.
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Let's be thankful these guys stuck to their line of duty and didn't touch the person's property
 
Maxii said:
They released the body cam footage of the beach arrest.

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Wow. That is much worse for the police than their comments and defense made it sound.

From the minute the one says "you're about to get dropped" (lack of professionalism) what I see looks nothing like a police arrest. At that instant she should have instantly demanded to speak with his supervisor and get an experienced officer on the scene.

I have seen a few arrests in my time including some "resisting arrest" and what I fail to see here is anything like the police training that I have personally witnessed. He attacks her first after declaring he is going to assault her.

Then he doesn't do what I have seen every officer making an arrest do - use a standard wrist lock technique. Instead he is pulling her hair, shoving her face on the ground with his forearm and then starts pounding her in the head. He *is* choking her in the sense he is just using his arm to put tremendous pressure on her neck.

I don't think I have ever seen a less professional arrest. It looks like a steroid user flipping out and just beating the crap out of someone. Does Wildwood not train their police at all? It should have been very simple for a trained officer to get that tiny girl in a wrist lock and subdue her. The entire behavior was unprofessional and exhibits very clear cut excessive force. Nothing about that constitutes a reasonable use of force. The weird thing is he just like he wants to beat the crap out of her. And she spits at the very end after he hammered her head. She is justified to spit at the aggro cop at that point. He acted completely untrained like a street thug. I could have subdued 10x easier than that thug.

He also should not have been allowed to continue the arrest. Other officers should have removed him from the scene immediately and other officers should have finished the arrest.

The officer also clearly lies and misrepresents the situation to other officers.

If I was on the jury I would definitely convict the officer of assault and battery and recommend the maximum punishment.
 
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Mike's just an argumentative contrarian (or possibly a wum). Leave him to it, don't waste your time and energy.
 
I still can't over how incompetent that arsehole was. He literally could have gotten her in a wrist lock in 5 seconds and cuffed her and avoided this whole thing if he had any training. She was tiny and overly emotional, really easy to have avoided that violence if he had any proper training. He's fecking pulling her hair like he is the 16 year old girl in a catfight ffs
 
utdalltheway said:
Or he could have de-escalated the situation and moved on to go look for some real criminal activity.
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Yeah that would have been the best overall. There was a non-incident from the start.
But I was just basing that on even if we assume the premise that the officer was completely justified in using reasonable force, he clearly did not use reasonable force. I do hope this case goes to jury and he gets sued.
 
Seems like people who in other countries at most would become rent-a-cops actually become cops in the US.

I can't imagine the carnage if some of the roided up tits we have working in Securitas, G4S and other security companies over here got an actual badge that meant something.
 
Mike Schatner said:
She wasn't getting a citation for drinking. The citation was for having alcohol on the beach. That could have been avoided by simply shutting her mouth and pouring the booze away. The arrest could have been avoided by shutting her mouth and giving them her name. The forceful arrest could have been avoided by not striking the officer then resisting.

All that is irreverent to the original video. The police were simply doing their jobs and did absolutely nothing wrong apart from maybe using a little too much force.
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That’s about the dumbest thing I’ve read on this site, and that’s saying something.
 
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