Didn't have the flip safety apparently.
Cop in America doing a bad job, again
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Anybody make a Panic at the Disco joke yet?
If only the guy shot in the leg had a gun too, he could've anticipated this and shot the FBI agent in the face. Sad!
Like how he just casually walks away, showing no concern for the person he just shot. In his mind it's probably equivalent to bumping into someone and spilling out their beer.
The person shot probably didnt even realise they'd been shot immediately.
Why is an off-duty agent going to a bar with gun anyway? The Bureau is supposed to be all about professionalism so he should be busted out of it.
Ah smart better run away before someone realises they've been shot.
Is it normal to expect drunk armed people when you go to a bar or a nightclub in some states?
Body cam footage of the beach thing. Dunno if it's been posted, but if anything it makes it even more excessive than I thought it was the first time.
Personally think the police hitting that guy with the car is less bad. This man is a known felon who is trying to flee from the police. The car doesn't hit him hard and his only injuries are some bruises. He also tries to block the guys path a few times first, so I don't think it was his intent to run him down per se.
Personally think the police hitting that guy with the car is less bad. This man is a known felon who is trying to flee from the police. The car doesn't hit him hard and his only injuries are some bruises. He also tries to block the guys path a few times first, so I don't think it was his intent to run him down per se.
It's a thin line between, a slight knock and broken bones or worse tho isn't it?
Yea that vid was posted a few pages back, it's worth going back a few pages to see Mike's mental gymnastics attempting to justify the whole thing.
Yea that vid was posted a few pages back, it's worth going back a few pages to see Mike's mental gymnastics attempting to justify the whole thing.
It is, but there's a difference with the girl on the beach and a convicted felon running from the police. The cop in the car was fired by the way.
Yea I saw it on reddit earlier. I hear ya but where do you draw the line?
That's a difficult question. One that cops have to answer in all those situations. That's why I'm not entirely unsympathetic towards them initially. Their job is terrible. It's also a job that attracts power hungry narcissitic cnuts ofcourse, which makes judging these things even harder.
I'm glad I'm not a copper though.
Ah my bad, yes I did see those gymnastics. Would be funny if it werent so disturbing. Still suspect it being 50% contrarian wumming for the sake of it.
Would someone ever carry one around loaded, but unchambered? Or is that considered somehow 'not ready enough'?
The "Condition 1" vs. "Condition 3" debate is actually something frequently debated when looking at how weapons should be carried.
In the days before things like firing pin safeties, most firearms were carried by police and military personnel in "Condition 3", which is loaded magazine/empty chamber.
This fell by the wayside with the invention of firing pin and drop safeties because the argument was successfully made that in a self defense situation, the racking of the slide of a pistol or the bolt of a rifle could lead to a stoppage failure of the weapon (a jam) and/or could lead to human error in working the action to the point that the person would not be able to adequately defend themselves in time. This also requires the use of two hands, which the person might not have the use of at that given moment for a variety of reasons.
Because of these factors, most police offices switched to "Condition 1" carry, which is loaded magazine/loaded chamber with safety engaged.
Gracias, knowledgeable friend. On a side note, a few months ago I handled tactical pistols for the 1st time in my life (the joys of Florida) and was surprised that my pussy typing & videogame hands weren't of the required strength to smoothly work slide (1911 & P226). Not as easy to work as "in the movies"...
Do people agree that the cops should have arrested her according to the state laws ?
I issue for me the excessive force, completely unnecessary and disgusting but the arrest I'm not sure I can disagree with.
On the bigger picture I think the US alcohol laws are ridiculous and the police force are trained in general to deal with everyone as if they are an axe wielding nutjob.
Never once thought as a kid that I would get arrested, beat down by police if I was caught with alcohol underage. The normal thing was to have it confiscated, poured down a drain and that was it. Police sent you on your way.
I issue for me the excessive force, completely unnecessary and disgusting but the arrest I'm not sure I can disagree with.
On the bigger picture I think the US alcohol laws are ridiculous and the police force are trained in general to deal with everyone as if they are an axe wielding nutjob.
Never once thought as a kid that I would get arrested, beat down by police if I was caught with alcohol underage. The normal thing was to have it confiscated, poured down a drain and that was it. Police sent you on your way.
Drinking underage is illegal not just selling? There is no freedom in that country!
It's a state-by-state decision. Federalism at work.
https://drinkingage.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=002591
"I'm a woman, you're not allowed to hit me," she says after kicking out at them and refusing to be amenable.
Again, it's clearly excessive force but I have zero sympathy for her.
Again, it's clearly excessive force but I have zero sympathy for her.
starts around 4:30
Th cop should definitely arrest her. You can't kick or spit at a police officer and the woman is obviously a massive cnut.
The force with which the arrest was done is beyond excessive though.
After watching some of those first amendment audits there are a few big problems with this incident.
It's important to keep in mind the law that allows filming from a publicly accessible location do not include interfering with an active police investigation. The cameraman is following closer than 20 feet and is legally in jeopardy of violating the interfering in an active investigation aspect. The cameraman has no standing to question the jurisdiction of the officers at that moment as he doesn't have all the information.
Second, the cameraman very clearly crosses other citizen's private property during this incident. he could be considered in violation of trespass.
Third, there is no actually evidence of police brutality or anything except the officer saying he is getting arrested, which may be perfectly legal.
Finally he insults the officer first by saying calling him "fecking sheisty" (an arguably racist phrase btw) and then later "feck you" while acting entitled. While cussing out public officials is usually counter productive in the least, in some places its actually against the law (there are tonnes of crazy local laws on the books that most people are not aware).
This should not even be compared to the NJ beach incident.
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cop went from 0 to 100 in about 5 seconds dude needs to be anger management not in a position of power
As I pointed out that cameraman is in violation of many of the very strict conditions that those first amendment auditors adhere to (at least the successful ones).
He is probably going to get rightfully convicted of interfering in an active police investigation. He could have been jeopardizing innocent citizens lives by his ignorant actions. Based just on this video I would vote guilty for interfering in an active investigation if I was on the jury.
This example should not even be compared to NJ or other incidents.
Its funny because from the video I am quite convinced I know more about the law than the cameraman and he shouldn't be playing these games because he is too biased and ignorant for it.
the policeman arrested for the sole reason that he was personally pissed off, that's an abuse of power, whether or not you're totally a legal genius doesn't really matter
What’s the purpose of this person? Is he there to annoy cops on duty?
The cop went agressive a bit suddenly, but I dont really see the point of this other than seeking attention and baiting those cops? Reminds me of the thing we did when we were 10 waving a hand in someones face and yelling you don’t own the air in front of you lolololo
What’s next, looking over a surgeons shoulder with your phone and asking him if he’s doing okay? Then yelling when he accidently nicks an artery? Cops have very stressfull jobs, I see no benefit in doing this honestly.
Edit: missquoted, talking about that 1st amendment thing video.
The cop went agressive a bit suddenly, but I dont really see the point of this other than seeking attention and baiting those cops? Reminds me of the thing we did when we were 10 waving a hand in someones face and yelling you don’t own the air in front of you lolololo
What’s next, looking over a surgeons shoulder with your phone and asking him if he’s doing okay? Then yelling when he accidently nicks an artery? Cops have very stressfull jobs, I see no benefit in doing this honestly.
Edit: missquoted, talking about that 1st amendment thing video.
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i don't really care what he was doing there, punching the shit out of someone when you've got them on the ground and a bunch of your co workers are already restraining him isn't on
Again, this is incorrect.
From the video alone, he was rightfully arrested for interfering in an active police investigation.
If he had any clue about the law he would know he needs to stand at least 20 feet back from the police while they are in active investigation. Not only that but he was harassing the officers with offensive and potentially racist language!
This just isn't a good example nor does it illustrate police misbehavior but rather a dipshit citizen breaking the law because he is offensively naive.
I quoted the wrong vid, that one is obviously terrible.
what racist language?