Eight changes to the England team. Stones, Pickford, Lingard remain.
Day 15: Japan vs Poland, Senegal vs Colombia, England vs Belgium, Panama vs Tunisia
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It's because they spent the last 10 minutes doing nothing, dodging tackles, and not even trying to score, despite losing, even though 1 goal from Senegal would put them out. Take matters into your own hands and get the draw and it doesnt matter if Senegal scores. Would have loved it if Senegal tied it up just to see the regret on Japan's faces for faffing about.
Quite surprised we've made so many (eight) changes.
Japan well within their right to do what they did. A place in the KO of the World Cup was at stake FFS.
The reaction to Japan is laughable.
People would be fine with it at 0-0. Why does 1-0 down and qualifying change anything?
People would be fine with it at 0-0. Why does 1-0 down and qualifying change anything?
Tough way to bow out but hard to argue with it as what else can be done... teams have to be separated some way.
Well done Colombia and Japan, really unlucky to Senegal.
Well done Colombia and Japan, really unlucky to Senegal.
Yes we are.
What was cowardly exactly? Did what they needed to do.
But why didn't Poland do anything then?
If Japan conceded another goal in that game, would they have gone out then??
Disgraceful? That's a bit strong. Japan did what they needed to do! Senegal only had themselves to blame for not capitalising when they were on top against both Japan and Colombia.
Totally agree with this, why are Japan taking all the flak, even in this thread?
If they’d risked going forward and conceding or getting bookings that would have been wrong by some too.
Imo Poland should be the ones being mostly criticised for it, they were out of the tournament and just give up, they should have gone for more goals I thought and gone out with a bang, not a wimper.
Yes.
Why all this hate for Japan? It's not their fault that Senegal or Poland didn't score or that Senegal are more reckless than them. Every team know the rules and know what they need to qualify. Besides, when they played Senegal, Japan should've won comfortably. Better team went through, nothing wrong with that.
What exactly did they *do*? Lost by one? Good job, coach.
According to the BBC, the England lineup is:
Pickford
Jones Stones Cahill
TAA Lingard Dier Delph Rose
Vardy Rashford
Pickford
Jones Stones Cahill
TAA Lingard Dier Delph Rose
Vardy Rashford
Nobody likes to see a game where both sides give up playing football with 20 minutes left.
Japan won't care how they qualified and that's fair enough. Good luck to them, but people are allowed to shit all over it if they want.
Can someone explain why there's outrage over Japan? I'm at work so haven't seen the games.
It's the fact that they rolled the dice and decided to do nothing and just hope Senegal doesnt score vs Colombia and hope for the best. That's not doing what you need to do. That's taking the cowardly approach. Poland wasnt doing shit anyway, you go for the draw and you put matters into your own hands.
Avoided conceding another
It's embarrassing and it's cheating the match going fans out of what they have paid to see.
Including Phil Neville, saying he wouldn’t accept it as a player! Yes ok Phil, going through to the knockouts as it stood, you wouldn’t accept it and try barging through getting out of position, losing the ball or getting booked. Good thinking
Kane injured or rested ?
All the crying about Japan, dry your eyes. Its a game and they played to the rules knowing they had less yellow cards. They took a risk doing it, which could have backfired, but it didn't.
Teams time waste all the time - take the ball to the corner flags, waste time at goal kicks, waste time with subs during extra time, roll around on the floor and waste seconds by faking injuries etc etc which is all part of the game, even by the very best teams, yet Japan get the abuse? How's about blaming Senegal for being wasteful in the other games?
Teams time waste all the time - take the ball to the corner flags, waste time at goal kicks, waste time with subs during extra time, roll around on the floor and waste seconds by faking injuries etc etc which is all part of the game, even by the very best teams, yet Japan get the abuse? How's about blaming Senegal for being wasteful in the other games?
Well. they are through in a group they were 4th favourites, so excellent job.
It’s pragmatic but they’re through at the end of the day.
They did by not fouling like idiots and not diving like Mane did on many ocassions, perhaps one of their players got booked for diving, would be comedy gold.
United youtube channel putting Fellaini on the thumbnail of their video for the upcoming game.
In hindsight it's easy to say Japan did the right thing however, if Senegal had equalised we would all be here LOLing at Japan and others would be calling them pathetic for going out in the manner they did.
I think the thing that upsets most people is the fact they did not, for the last 10 mins at leaat, have any control of the outcome of the Columbia Vs Senegal game and relied on Senegal not socring to qualify. The fact they knew a draw would be enough to qualify before kick off meant thier own destiny was in thier hands but instead they let another game's outcome decide that. Could have gone very wrong for them, probably can count themselves very lucky.
I think the thing that upsets most people is the fact they did not, for the last 10 mins at leaat, have any control of the outcome of the Columbia Vs Senegal game and relied on Senegal not socring to qualify. The fact they knew a draw would be enough to qualify before kick off meant thier own destiny was in thier hands but instead they let another game's outcome decide that. Could have gone very wrong for them, probably can count themselves very lucky.
Rested. Along with seven others.
So what was so awful about it?
Im sure the Japan fans are really gutted at what Japan did the last ten minutes.
Japan was losing 1-0 but were going through because of yellow cards as Senegal was also 1-0 down. If Senegal scored, they would be out. If Japan scored, they were through irrespective of anything. They decided to roll the dice and dodge out of tackles, and do nothing but pass it between the defenders at walking pace and just hope Senegal didnt score. That's not what football is about IMO.
If that's what gets you qualified, then yes, good job. Why risk conceding another and going out when the most likely scenario was that Senegal weren't going to score?
Throwing players forwards trying to score inevitably leads to a higher risk of conceeding more goals. If they had done that and Poland scored again, I'm sure the Japanese fans will be calling for the head of the manager.
I agree the end of that game was a bit of a farce, but the manager made a decision to trust Colombia and got away with it.
Senegal trailing to Colombia meant Japan could qualify on fair play (fewer yellows) despite being 1-0 down to Poland.
Last 15 minutes saw Japan pass the ball around at the back, hoping that Senegal wouldn't score in the other game.
I don't get it too.
What about Lukaku ?
If Senegal were less utter shite, then they wouldn't need to care what Japan did or didn't do, so who cares? Good for Japan. They aren't a world powerhouse, they got the minimum result required to qualify for the next round.