England Discussion | Finish 4th



Considering how negligent the FA are towards the lower leagues this serves a tremendous reminder how valuable the entire pyramid is. Not just the elite big clubs.

Another interesting piece I read is the background of England's capped center backs in the last two years:

  • Stones (Barnsley)
  • Mcguire (Sheff Utd)
  • Jones (Blackburn)
  • Smalling (Maidstone)
  • Cahill (Aston Villa)
  • Mawson (Brentford)
  • Tarkowsi (Oldham)
  • Keane (Manchester United)
One is not like the others.
 
I'm not an England fan, but I don't see how it's a stretch to say England are favourites against Colombia and Sweden.

Sweden are a bang average side who have nothing going on for them apart from being boringly consistent and conservative in their approach. Even the shittest Holland squad since the dawn of time got 4 points from them(should've been 6 without the ref brainfart).

Colombia sound exciting, but when you look at their squad, how is it better than England? I know football isn't played on paper, but England's squad is stronger than Colombia's if you compare them imho.

Yes England have been shite since 1966, but past results don't mean shit to be honest.

England are a bang average side except for Kane
Colombia are bit better than bang average just because the pass the ball better. England don’t have a player like James and he could be difference maker in what I expect to be a right game.
 
I don't know for what but your recent posts certainly exude bitterness, not to be confused with jealousy.
That's like GlastonSpur (or heck, some Everton fan) calling other people bitter toward Everton. What would be the point of that?
 
England are a bang average side except for Kane
Colombia are bit better than bang average just because the pass the ball better. England don’t have a player like James and he could be difference maker in what I expect to be a right game.

By the sounds of it, not even Colombia have a player like James.

Hint: He's been injured and has basically missed 2/3 games so far.
 
That's like GlastonSpur (or heck, some Everton fan) calling other people bitter toward Everton. What would be the point of that?
I wouldn't take time out of my day to slag off Everton and/or their fans.

Each to their own though, be happy for England fans being optimistic for once. A lot of the chat about it 'coming home' is heavily tongue in cheek anyway, as I'm sure you're intelligent enough to appreciate.
 
I don't believe in resting players. You get your best XI and keep them playing together and building spirit and understanding.

Kind of 50 games a season 4 games in a week, right? When the players are tired you will sell them, because they are useless, can't play 4 games in a week.
 
What is your NT?
An extremely shitty one. Generally support Holland and Argentina though (the fallout when both of them inevitably fall is similar to that of England, but I don't post in an Argentinian/Dutch forum, neither know many/any Dutch/Argentinian).

Not real support in this one. Just I want Switzerland, Croatia and Portugal to do well, but hardly caring that much.
 
An extremely shitty one. Generally support Holland and Argentina though (the fallout when both of them inevitably fall is similar to that of England, but I don't post in an Argentinian/Dutch forum, neither know many/any Dutch/Argentinian).

Not real support in this one. Just I want Switzerland, Croatia and Portugal to do well, but hardly caring that much.
We do not want your support if you root for Portugal :mad:
 
Another interesting piece I read is the background of England's capped center backs in the last two years:

  • Stones (Barnsley)
  • Mcguire (Sheff Utd)
  • Jones (Blackburn)
  • Smalling (Maidstone)
  • Cahill (Aston Villa)
  • Mawson (Brentford)
  • Tarkowsi (Oldham)
  • Keane (Manchester United)
One is not like the others.

Yeah fair play to Smalling and Maidstone.
 
Going to the side of the draw where are Brazil, France, Argentina, Uruguay and Portugal would be silly if you can avoid it. Watch those English feckers reaching the semifinal now:lol:
 
England are a bang average side except for Kane
Colombia are bit better than bang average just because the pass the ball better. England don’t have a player like James and he could be difference maker in what I expect to be a right game.
That really depends on your definition of the term average I guess. Apart from Falcao and James I struggle to name any player from that side that would walk into the England first XI
 
I think being organised with decent players will take you a lot further than throwing lots of great players on the pitch and hoping it works out. You have no glaring weaknesses but i just dont think anyone is going to be jealous or worried about anyone other than kane.

I actually think the opposite here - I don't think countries will be necessarily 'worried' about Kane.

He has scored 5 goals but analyzing the goals, it's not like he has been tearing teams apart: 2 penalties, 1 deflected shot, two rebounds from corners. Before anyone gets their feathers ruffled, he is a top player and should be our starting striker but I can't see the top teams worrying about him. Limit his service and he can't really affect the game - he's a finisher not some creative force or player who can take people on.

Opposition teams will have more of a conundrum with Lingard because he drifts so much, Trippier getting forwards as his cross is so accurate, Henderson controlling/building our attacks. If you can stop our wing backs, we've not got a great deal besides the odd set piece or counter given we have some very fast players.
 
Off to order my Columbia shirt now. Probably watch Braveheart a couple of times as well just to make sure I’m in the right mindset :devil:

Seriously speaking tho this England team to me might not have the individual quality of some past teams but it just seems more like a proper team. They should beat Columbia but they are sort of a 50/50 team as in could go anyway and if Arry ain’t up for it then I don’t think they have anything else.
 
Off to order my Columbia shirt now. Probably watch Braveheart a couple of times as well just to make sure I’m in the right mindset :devil:

Seriously speaking tho this England team to me might not have the individual quality of some past teams but it just seems more like a proper team. They should beat Columbia but they are sort of a 50/50 team as in could go anyway and if Arry ain’t up for it then I don’t think they have anything else.

Disagree. Harry's general performance levels are pretty meh.
 
Disagree. Harry's general performance levels are pretty meh.
Still somehow scraping goals and that is what matters. If he starts to play like we know he can then they might have something. For me their hopes really depend on him.
 
I still think it’s hard to judge exactly where England are as a team.

Panama are a pub side and the B team played Belgium. Tunisia was the only time our starting 11 had any pressure with it being their first game of the tournament and needing those points.

I still feel the same way I felt then after that match. A little dodgy at the back, good going forward, wasteful at times, Kane always a danger.

England are slight favourites going into the match. Ignore history, ignore bitterness, look at the players and the here and now. 60/40 in England’s favour.
 
We really haven't seen England in this tournament which is remarkable considering the group phase is now over.

You can't take anything from the Tunisia or Panama matches and Belgium was just completely irrelevant. This is what makes the Colombia match much more interesting.
 
England are a bang average side except for Kane
Colombia are bit better than bang average just because the pass the ball better. England don’t have a player like James and he could be difference maker in what I expect to be a right game.

They do finally look like a proper team tbf. Although, they will also now start to feel pressure from the media like the teams from the past did, especially considering the draw, so will see how will they cope with that aspect.

Do feel if they beat Colombia, they will get past whoever is in the quarter-final.

As for the route, it all depends on how far they go. Simple as that. Beat Colombia and Southgate will be glorified. Lose (along with a worst case scenario of Mexico knocking Brazil out), it will suddenly look pretty damn awful.
 
Just because it's a Knockout game doesn't mean it's 50/50
I'm not saying it's 50/50 in every knockout.

For example..Brazil vs Mexico. Mexico are perennially dumped out at the last 16 stage so one would favour Brazil..

But England are woeful side in knockout games and thus this cuts down any supposed edge they do have against said opponents. I actually think Colombia are favourites going into the tie. But it can go either way.
 
I'm not an England fan, but I don't see how it's a stretch to say England are favourites against Colombia and Sweden.

Sweden are a bang average side who have nothing going on for them apart from being boringly consistent and conservative in their approach. Even the shittest Holland squad since the dawn of time got 4 points from them(should've been 6 without the ref brainfart).

Colombia sound exciting, but when you look at their squad, how is it better than England? I know football isn't played on paper, but England's squad is stronger than Colombia's if you compare them imho.

Yes England have been shite since 1966, but past results don't mean shit to be honest.
It does play a role.

Look at a club like Spurs for example.


Or the Dutch NT who have had some world class teams and consistently fall at the final hurdle.
 
It does play a role.

Look at a club like Spurs for example.


Or the Dutch NT who have had some world class teams and consistently fall at the final hurdle.

I agree. It is why I have little faith in us winning a penalty shootout. England's history puts extra weight on the players shoulders and gives the opposition a boost. In something so psychological its massive.
 
It does play a role.

Look at a club like Spurs for example.

Or the Dutch NT who have had some world class teams and consistently fall at the final hurdle.

It does help with confidence obviously, but in that case Colombia still isn't the favorite since I'm sure England have done better than Colombia in most world cups (this is me dangerously assuming something, but feck it).

Speaking of the Dutch NT, we finished 2nd and 3rd last two edition. Doesn't count for shite now.
 
I agree. It is why I have little faith in us winning a penalty shootout. England's history puts extra weight on the players shoulders and gives the opposition a boost. In something so psychological its massive.
Not sure if you follow cricket but the South African NT are the poster boys for historical mental fragility.

So yes, players do tend to get caught up in that sort of thing. At least England don't have to face Germany in a shootout.
 
It does help with confidence obviously, but in that case Colombia still isn't the favorite since I'm sure England have done better than Colombia in most world cups (this is me dangerously assuming something, but feck it).

Speaking of the Dutch NT, we finished 2nd and 3rd last two edition. Doesn't count for shite now.
I was alluding to your record in world cup finals.
 
I was alluding to your record in world cup finals.
Ah yes, true, I'm quite convinced I will not live to see us win a world cup. 2010 was our chance, if only that bald cnut would've shot it past Casillas.

Feck me, thinking about it still ruins my mood 8 years later.