Let's all Laugh at England

[fallengt]

There has been a strange rumour going around since the beginning of the tournament that unless a team has at least one player on the pitch during their goal celebrations, it's possible for the opposing team to take the kick off. This has lead to some peculiar incidents.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/world-cup-...-england-sneaky-equaliser-croatia-celebrated/

It is obviously not consistent with the laws of the game, but it seems a number of players at the World Cup genuinely believe it is (probably after watching the Portugal-Spain game).

Ref must give signal to restart the game, it's stated in the rulebook. No one, no one ever allows that in a major tournament unless ref's a completely dickhead and want to feck one side over intentionally.
If I'm not mistaken. Ref can't start the game if one team has less than 7 players on their side. Same thing happened in Panama vs England, Panama tried to restart the game while England celebrating and it was disallowed, ofcourse.

Jesus Christ, these men are professional footballers.

 

[Bruno Marques]

Infamous might be more apt. Most disgraceful match from both sides I think I ever watched. That match is why I've rooted against Portugal and Holland ever since then. I can't even remember who won that match and probably will forget 10 seconds after you tell me. That's because I always believe neither team deserved to win. That match didn't have a winner, just two disgraceful losers.

There was a winner, Portugal. But there were lots of losers, netherlands and the dirty tactics they used, the referee that was a really bad one that couldn't handle a game like that, and fifa for allowing something like that to happen. Portugal also lost, we lost our composure for that stupid decision that only made one yellow card to be shown to Boulahrouz for that "tackle" on Ronaldo

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Reason why you support Arsenal then, soft club, soft fans.

I started supporting Arsenal when George Graham was the manager, hence the source of my name 1-0 to the Arsenal and you would never call Tony Adams, Martin Keown, David O'Leary, Rocky Rocastle, Ray Parlour "soft". Let alone Willie Young, Peter Storey and that era. Also I would put The Bear of Highbury in his heyday up against any of the cowards who assaulted your Sporting players.

 

[seaNNN]

Oh give over. It was only a bit of fun, the fanzones were loving it and people were out on the streets chanting. Brilliant 3 weeks.

Clearly the non English contingent missed the point and it’s certainly looked like a great spectacle to be involved in all the hype.
It’s just that it is a little tiresome for the rest of the uk who had to put up with a constant barrage of it on the media and social media.
Or maybe I’m just a bitter Scottish cnut but atleast everyone else I know feels the same way.

 

[JMack1234]

*England fan in peace*

As a 22 year old England fan who lives in his middle-class bubble I don't get all the hate for England. Now, i'm genuinely curious why this is. I get that the England travelling support as right-wing nationalist slant to it, plus there is a sense of arrogance around England and the colonial history.

But, can anybody (espeically Scottish and Irish fans) please explain why there is such a hatred for the English football team which has done nothing since 1966.

 

[Ban]

Yep.

The reason England's arrogance is being called out is because it was the on display prior to the match.

Not only that, Neville called us a really poor team at HT. It's all pointless really, arrogant this, arrogant that.

 

[Tony Babangida]

One thing I think we can all agree on:

It's coming home > a song about bread > a scouse song about birds flying about in a field > whatever Scotland would sing if the ever had anything to be happy about.

 

[Smithy_123]

*England fan in peace*

As a 22 year old England fan who lives in his middle-class bubble I don't get all the hate for England. Now, i'm genuinely curious why this is. I get that the England travelling support as right-wing nationalist slant to it, plus there is a sense of arrogance around England and the colonial history.

But, can anybody (espeically Scottish and Irish fans) please explain why there is such a hatred for the English football team which has done nothing since 1966.

You answered your own question. The fans and arrogance of it all. The media also doesn't help.

 

[SCP]

I started supporting Arsenal when George Graham was the manager, hence the source of my name 1-0 to the Arsenal and you would never call Tony Adams, Martin Keown, David O'Leary, Rocky Rocastle, Ray Parlour "soft". Let alone Willie Young, Peter Storey and that era. Also I would put The Bear of Highbury in his heyday up against any of the cowards who assaulted your Sporting players.

Ok fair enough, remember well that Graham team who by the way was completely outplayed by Benfica in London after suprise surprise everyone in England was saying they were favourites even if Benfica had been on the European Cup Final in 1988 and 1990.

Do you really believe anyone here would be afraid of the very frightening and scary Arsenal fans, I mean I have been with Sporting at Rotterdam on De Kuip in 2005, but if you believe in that just call Arsenal TV then. I am really scared

 

[jeff_goldblum]

People said it was a great chance to get to the final because Croatia and Sweden aren't as good as Brazil and France, not because they thought we were going to beat them easily. Being in the easy side of the draw and England not playing like complete garbage for once gave some reason for hope, there's no arrogance in hoping your team will win.

The irony in the 'It's coming home' stuff has really flown over the heads of most non-UK fans. Probably because they want it to, I'm not going to sign up to the self-congratulatory 'the UK has a unique humour that foreigners don't understand' nonsense and just conclude that people are choosing to pretend it was all serious because it helps them build their Arrogant England Fan(tm) strawman.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Ok fair enough, remember well that Graham team who by the way was completely outplayed by Benfica in London after suprise surprise everyone in England was saying they were favourites even if Benfica had been on the European Cup Final in 1988 and 1990.

Do you really believe anyone here would be afraid of the very frightening and scary Arsenal fans, I mean I have been with Sporting at Rotterdam on De Kuip in 2005, but if you believe in that just call Arsenal TV then. I am really scared

I'm not sure where you are going with this line.
I don't know if this is just drunk banter or you are actually glorifying and wishing for a return to the hooligan days of the 70s-80s while bragging about violence.

 

[SCP]

I'm not sure where you are going with this line.
I don't know if this is just drunk banter or you are actually glorifying and wishing for a return to the hooligan days of the 70s-80s while bragging about violence.

No of course not, lets talk about England and not derail the subject of the thread

Sorry if you took it another way.

 

[do.ob]

Hasn't this been posted ? England tried to score when Croatia celebrating their 2nd goal.


Embarrassing. Do they even know the rule ? No ref would allow it nor give signal to start the game while other team celebrating in a fricking World cup semi final.
Those two were Rashford and Lingard. Hope Jose give them a proper hairdryer treatment.

They played each other offside! It was clearly some subtle cry for help!

 

[jmaggio]

Rule Britannia?

FFS. . . Gimme a break.

America rules the waves and you were slaves to the Romans.

Well, ignorance of fact and abject arrogance is quintessentially English, so therefore it would make the perfect national anthem !

P.s. I’m just joking around bro, don’t take it too seriously

 

[Lennon7]

I’m just a bitter Scottish cnut

Fair enough

 

[starman]

For all the people that are saying its not coming home, the Euro 2020 Final will be at Wembley, so technically, it is coming home

 

[RMD83]

this thread is a train wreck. It was a great run by recent standards and it brought a lot of joy to the nation. For those out there moaning about the “it’s coming home” movement it’s literally a bit of fun. I’m 35, never in my life have I felt that we as a nation believe we are the best team in the world (maybe we did in 06 but let’s forget that) it’s more a slogan of sarcastic optimism. We should do better than we have done over many years but there are always countries with better international teams. I can understand non English united fans not caring how England do but taking great pleasure in us failing! You love to watch England fail but support an English football team. Strange to me.

 

[trafford1980]

I never said majority mate. I only said some which was the case here.

England fans don't have to call out anyone who isnt from a country England played. Its not 'hating' its piss taking. Some England fans just need to lighten up and take the piss taking in the good spirit the vast majority of it is intended.

You don't have to be a supporter of the opposition side to take the piss out of a team. Two months ago most on here no doubt including a few of the ones having meltdowns last night were taking the piss out of Liverpool and Karius. We weren't all Real Madrid fans. Thats how football banter works.

Apologies my friend, I didn't realise I implied you said majority. I agree with everything you've subsequently said about banter, and I think you've been proved right throughout the descent of this thread. My issue isn't with banter (even though the quality of sledging on these forums leaves a lot to be desired. Football might not have a home, but banter definitely does ) more so the puzzling, seemingly obsessive hate of England shown by some Manchester United supporters. Anyway, here's hoping this thread has a short lifespan and we can get back to complaining about Fellaini's contract.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

Harry "You can't give me two tries!!" Kane. That didn't age well

 

[Lyricist]

I think the high amount of people who wanted England to fail stems from the idea that "football coming home" (kinda comes across as the spontaneous English version of Brazil's entitled god given destiny campaign in 2014) would've potentially led to an insane amount of (false?) superiority claims from English football fans/personalities.
The Premier League is the biggest league in the world, yes. But had England won, we'd once again never see the end of topics discussing the greatness of the Premier League and the ridiculously bad/unworthy level of other leagues. You guys have a lot of fans who don't really care about other leagues yet are quick to label any non-English competitions or clubs as second or third rate. Your national team on the other hand has been the one thing you couldn't be smug about all these years of dominating the European football market. So if that had changed, I think the chance that English football boards would've become an English football circle jerk would've been quite high.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

52 lol

 

[SteveJ]

I think Pickford was of the view Mandzukic was potentially claiming a penalty. Hard to decipher intentions from a crowded pub in London, naturally.

I knew he was out of position...

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

I swear nobody fecking knows the origins of Three Lions.

 

[99withaflake]

I swear nobody fecking knows the origins of Three Lions.

A little history lesson for anyone browsing these pages, taken from here:

"What is the history of the three lions on the English football shirt?"

The short answer is that England wear the three lions on their shirts - as they have done ever since the first international against Scotland in 1872 - because, as representatives of the Football Association, they're simply sporting the logo of the FA.

However where that logo comes from is a much longer story. The lions have a history going back to the 12th century, when a standard with three gold lions on a red field was carried into battle to inspire the troops.

The first one came from Henry I - known as the lion of England - who had a lion on his standard on taking power in 1100. Shortly afterwards he married Adeliza, whose father also had a lion on his shield, and to commemorate the event he added a second lion to his standard. In 1154, two lions became three when Henry II married Eleanor of Aquitaine, who - yes, you've guessed it - also had a lion her family crest.

Later that century, Richard the Lionheart (1189-1199) used the three golden lions on a scarlet background as a symbol of the English throne and, after that, it appeared on the Royal Arms of every succeeding monarch.

So when the FA was formed in 1863, it seemed natural enough to base their logo on this stirring royal shield. Since then, the design has only been changed once, in 1949 - when the crown that was on top of the lions was removed to differentiate the badge from that of the English cricket team.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

Bravo

 

[Chekhov]

 

[Pink Moon]

*England fan in peace*

As a 22 year old England fan who lives in his middle-class bubble I don't get all the hate for England. Now, i'm genuinely curious why this is. I get that the England travelling support as right-wing nationalist slant to it, plus there is a sense of arrogance around England and the colonial history.

But, can anybody (espeically Scottish and Irish fans) please explain why there is such a hatred for the English football team which has done nothing since 1966.

You kinda answered your own question.

All English football fans ever do is slag off Scottish football then they're confused when Scottish fans like to see them lose. So there's that, there's the unbearable media and there's the right-wing, hooligan element. And for me personally I enjoy a wee bit of schadenfreude seeing a nation that votes Tory and Brexit lose a big football game.

As for the Irish, I'm sure it's most of the same as above ie arrogance and the likes of Ian Wright just being an insufferable cock but I mean you just need to look at the history between the two countries to see why some Irish may not back England. It'll be the same in places like Serbia. They won't be backing Croatia to win the world cup. International football isn't about 11 footballers the way club football generally is. It goes above and beyond that.

 

[Vato]

Why were Lingard and Rashford trying to score while Croatia were celebrating?

wtf

 

[Fluctuation0161]

this thread is a train wreck. It was a great run by recent standards and it brought a lot of joy to the nation. For those out there moaning about the “it’s coming home” movement it’s literally a bit of fun. I’m 35, never in my life have I felt that we as a nation believe we are the best team in the world (maybe we did in 06 but let’s forget that) it’s more a slogan of sarcastic optimism. We should do better than we have done over many years but there are always countries with better international teams. I can understand non English united fans not caring how England do but taking great pleasure in us failing! You love to watch England fail but support an English football team. Strange to me.

I tend to agree. I can only think that the nuanced sarcasm in the song is lost when non England fans just hear "It's coming home" being belted out by England fans.

The song ultimately is tongue in cheek and about how shit we've been for decades!

 

[beedoubleyou]

Let's all laugh at Manchester United

Jose’s playing the way that United should, oh yeah​

Lol, no he isn't.

As the Reds go marching on, on, on
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Lol, they won feck all

Take a lesson, you will see, Football taught by Matt Busby
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Lol, he's not even alive

Tony Martial scores again​

Lol, in the reserves?

20000 empty seats, are you fecking sure!?
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Lol, City's ground is nearly always 80% full

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We often score six
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Lol, when?

We are the pride of all Europe
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Lol, Seville says hola.

The cock of the North,
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Lol, Man City saya hello.

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And he shits on Fabregas
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Lol, just lol.

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[MoskvaRed]

You kinda answered your own question.

All English football fans ever do is slag off Scottish football then they're confused when Scottish fans like to see them lose. So there's that, there's the unbearable media and there's the right-wing, hooligan element. And for me personally I enjoy a wee bit of schadenfreude seeing a nation that votes Tory and Brexit lose a big football game.

As for the Irish, I'm sure it's most of the same as above ie arrogance and the likes of Ian Wright just being an insufferable cock but I mean you just need to look at the history between the two countries to see why some Irish may not back England. It'll be the same in places like Serbia. They won't be backing Croatia to win the world cup. International football isn't about 11 footballers the way club football generally is. It goes above and beyond that.

The arrogance angle again....On here, I’ve seen a Scotland fan describe England as “arch-rivals” despite not having even managed to qualify for 20 years and counting. Also, while England got excited about reaching the semis, it’s not exactly the same level of hubris as having an open top bus parade before leaving for the World Cup.

 

[GBBQ]

this thread is a train wreck. It was a great run by recent standards and it brought a lot of joy to the nation. For those out there moaning about the “it’s coming home” movement it’s literally a bit of fun. I’m 35, never in my life have I felt that we as a nation believe we are the best team in the world (maybe we did in 06 but let’s forget that) it’s more a slogan of sarcastic optimism. We should do better than we have done over many years but there are always countries with better international teams. I can understand non English united fans not caring how England do but taking great pleasure in us failing! You love to watch England fail but support an English football team. Strange to me.

Its almost like United and England are two completely different teams. Do you support Liverpool as well as United because they are also an English football team? The Premier League transcends borders because of the vast number of foreigners playing in the league.

I was ambivalent to England, this was the least offensive team and manager you have had in a long time and I wouldn't have minded seeing them win. That being said there are legacy issues that mean many will take joy in seeing you lose. Suck it up.

 

[Regalia]

I tend to agree. I can only think that the nuanced sarcasm in the song is lost when non England fans just hear "It's coming home" being belted out by England fans.

The song ultimately is tongue in cheek and about how shit we've been for decades!

It was definitely nuanced sarcasm at the beginning. However, after trouncing the mighty Panama, and having bigger teams unexpectedly fall by the wayside, England began to believe their own hype.

You could tell from the very thinly-veiled bias in the commentary/punditry of every game the England team were involved in, and the growing arrogance of the general fanbase. Derogatory remarks (online, at least) about Sweden being a rubbish team, comments about England being on par with Belgium, the overconfidence (of pundits and fans alike) and dismissing of the Croatian team etc. These were the things that made even 'neutral' fans start wanting England to lose just to bring them back down to Earth. It was one big annoying England soap opera nobody but the England fans wanted to watch.

 

[stevoc]

Apologies my friend, I didn't realise I implied you said majority. I agree with everything you've subsequently said about banter, and I think you've been proved right throughout the descent of this thread. My issue isn't with banter (even though the quality of sledging on these forums leaves a lot to be desired. Football might not have a home, but banter definitely does ) more so the puzzling, seemingly obsessive hate of England shown by some Manchester United supporters. Anyway, here's hoping this thread has a short lifespan and we can get back to complaining about Fellaini's contract.

No worries mate, and agree hopefully it blows over quickly and we can all get back on the same page of complaining about United.

 

[beedoubleyou]

On the pundits, this is how the BBC began their World Cup coverage. Remember, there was zero expectancy. It's called a depreciating sense of humour. I'd suggest some of you are in dire fecking need of getting one.

 

[Barca84]

The arrogance angle again....On here, I’ve seen a Scotland fan describe England as “arch-rivals” despite not having even managed to qualify for 20 years and counting. Also, while England got excited about reaching the semis, it’s not exactly the same level of hubris as having an open top bus parade before leaving for the World Cup.

I've said elsewhere that in order to understand a Scottish or Irish football fan viewing England as arch rivals you have to realise it's a one way thing and is based more on history and geographical proximity than fact that their teams are competition for the same trophies. The club comparison would be someone like Stoke thinking of United as rivals which baffles United fans but makes sense if you look at it from the Stoke perspective.

In England the fans regard Germany as their main rivals but the reality is that the Germans don't see it like that as England really haven't threatened their chances of success in any way for quite some time now. If England start knocking the likes of Germany out in semis that would all change of course.

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

You kinda answered your own question.

All English football fans ever do is slag off Scottish football then they're confused when Scottish fans like to see them lose. So there's that, there's the unbearable media and there's the right-wing, hooligan element. And for me personally I enjoy a wee bit of schadenfreude seeing a nation that votes Tory and Brexit lose a big football game.

As for the Irish, I'm sure it's most of the same as above ie arrogance and the likes of Ian Wright just being an insufferable cock but I mean you just need to look at the history between the two countries to see why some Irish may not back England. It'll be the same in places like Serbia. They won't be backing Croatia to win the world cup. International football isn't about 11 footballers the way club football generally is. It goes above and beyond that.

I don't particularly get how the media is 'unbearable', which is a word I've seen a lot in this thread. Perhaps I need to be Scottish, Welsh or Irish to get the feeling but I can't see what else people expect English pundits to do when England are progressing in a tournament than fancy our chances, crack shit jokes and seek the positives when we go out.

The rest I can fully understand, including the historical context and particularly the hooligan/loutish aspect. English fans have garnered a reputation for themselves, like it or not, and they need to take ownership of that reputation and subvert it by conducting themselves correctly. They're not alone in that; I'm sure there would be a sharp intake of breath should Rangers end up visiting Manchester again after '08, but I hope Russia has been a positive step towards redemption for us given the lack of incident so far.

 

[Janson]

I started supporting Arsenal when George Graham was the manager, hence the source of my name 1-0 to the Arsenal and you would never call Tony Adams, Martin Keown, David O'Leary, Rocky Rocastle, Ray Parlour "soft". Let alone Willie Young, Peter Storey and that era. Also I would put The Bear of Highbury in his heyday up against any of the cowards who assaulted your Sporting players.

It's a shame you eventually became soft then. Never too late to switch teams.

 

[Lam]

England won against Tunisia, Panama, and Sweden. Lost to Belgium and Croatia. Required penalties to win against Colombia (without James).

That said, they were very good in patches and defended well.

 

[Jim Beam]

Ok, I had absolutely no idea it is this bad. I mean that looks like it's been crazier celebrated than here in Croatia.