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Then what is Brexit? Those are the two vital cogs of the leave argument. You might gain some control over deregulation and get to negotiate a gazillion new trade deals but it looks like a worse outcome than something countries like Norway receive while being part of the EU.
I'm a remainer, I don't want to see a Brexit.
 
Britain all over. You don't see this ridiculous shit in most countries. Our tabloids have a lot to answer for.
Our tabloids want you to vote Tory.
 
From Barnier’s piece:

....suggests that the basic free trade agreement lifting tariffs on goods, alongside a security deal, is the best offer he can make...

From very beginning every sane person could have told you as much (given the red lines) yet UK politicians keep deluding themselves still long after the referendum.
 
From Barnier’s piece:



From very beginning every sane person could have told you as much (given the red lines) yet UK politicians keep deluding themselves still long after the referendum.
Would kill the manufacturing sector and a lot of services.
 
Right wing economic ideology

It was really a need to grow up economically, you can't borrow forever, and pass it on to the next generation. Who do you think will ever repay national debt? Or do you think it makes sense to just grow it and pass it on again to future generations? Kick the can down the road as our American peers would say.
 
It was really a need to grow up economically, you can't borrow forever, and pass it on to the next generation. Who do you think will ever repay national debt? Or do you think it makes sense to just grow it and pass it on again to future generations? Kick the can down the road as our American peers would say.

You can actually borrow forever
 
Even my most ardent labour supporting friends would dispute you here. A high-earning Labour voting colleague was appalled that he was getting some weird £100 allowance cos his wife was pregnant. It was a total waste of government money.
My mother used to be an administrator in the NHS- I've heard the stories of pissing away several grands' worth of office furniture in March to get the same or more next year.
 
You only need someone stupid enough to lend you

But nah, technically, in a none infinite resources world, you can't

No, borrowing for growth is a common act. As long as your debts eventually start to shrink as a proportion of your GDP you need never pay them back
 
Even my most ardent labour supporting friends would dispute you here. A high-earning Labour voting colleague was appalled that he was getting some weird £100 allowance cos his wife was pregnant. It was a total waste of government money.
My mother used to be an administrator in the NHS- I've heard the stories of pissing away several grands' worth of office furniture in March to get the same or more next year.

A bit of office furniture caused the world wide banking crisis
 
The austerity package was ideology 100%.
It didn't even work. The deficit is still there.
 
Government waste isn't even an excuse for austerity. There are situations when austerity coupled with structural reform is a sensible option but that wasn't the case in the UK.
100% ideological.
 
The austerity package was ideology 100%.
It didn't even work. The deficit is still there.

Austerity was a total scam. It was a simple case of outputting less to the public in order to reduce taxes for wealthy figures and corporations.

It’s the same stunt republicans have just pulled in America under a different name.
 
It was really a need to grow up economically, you can't borrow forever, and pass it on to the next generation. Who do you think will ever repay national debt? Or do you think it makes sense to just grow it and pass it on again to future generations? Kick the can down the road as our American peers would say.

:lol: as if the Tories give a flying feck about future generations.
 
It was really a need to grow up economically, you can't borrow forever, and pass it on to the next generation. Who do you think will ever repay national debt? Or do you think it makes sense to just grow it and pass it on again to future generations? Kick the can down the road as our American peers would say.
Borrowing increased under austerity.
 
It was really a need to grow up economically, you can't borrow forever, and pass it on to the next generation. Who do you think will ever repay national debt? Or do you think it makes sense to just grow it and pass it on again to future generations? Kick the can down the road as our American peers would say.

Im sorry Chorley but Im guessing you are on the right politically but you have been sold a pup by the Tories. Austerity never works its only ever a cover for tax breaks for the wealthy and for corporations.
 
The austerity package was ideology 100%.
It didn't even work. The deficit is still there.

Unfortunately the Tories did a good job of fostering the myth that government finances work like a household budget, hence the idea that Labour solely destroyed the economy through their spending, and due to debt etc.

A couple of years ago Osborne came up with that really stupid policy of enshrining a surplus into law, which was condemned by all economists as something that didn't make sense. Obviously it's concerning when a deficit gets too large, but there are times when countries can function with them just fine.

I can sort of understand the argument for reducing public expenditure in the wake of a financial crash and cutting back on needless expenditure in some cases, but if you're doing that to help improve the countries finances then you should be raising taxes on those who largely caused the crash as well. Fact the Tories didn't demonstrated it was ideological.
 
UK Brexit team seeks to exploit EU concern over Corbyn state aid plans
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...exploit-eu-concern-on-corbyns-state-aid-plans

Britain’s Brexit negotiators have tapped into growing concerns in Brussels over Jeremy Corbyn’s plans for the British economy, by stressing in recent talks that the Chequers plan would tie any future prime minister to the EU’s evolving rules on state aid in perpetuity, according to EU sources.

The anger of Conservative party Brexiters has focused on the plan to maintain EU regulations in relation to goods, but the UK has privately emphasised its unprecedented offer to bind future British governments’ hands on state spending as part of a deal.

British negotiators have sought to exploit concerns within EU institutions that a Labour government led by Corbyn would re-establish state subsidies, giving parts of the UK’s manufacturing base in particular a competitive advantage.
 
It was really a need to grow up economically, you can't borrow forever, and pass it on to the next generation. Who do you think will ever repay national debt? Or do you think it makes sense to just grow it and pass it on again to future generations? Kick the can down the road as our American peers would say.
In most western nations income taexs were invented about 4 years after the inception of Central Banks. The whole system was setup to make sure that never happened... Who gets rich off the tax payer otherwise?
 


Jesus fecking christ. Does these idiots have any bloody clue at all? You are a doctor when you graduate from medical school here and you do a job as a doctor, including seeing unwell patients on the wards and seeing new admissions.

Their ignorance is truly outstanding.
 
Jesus fecking christ. Does these idiots have any bloody clue at all? You are a doctor when you graduate from medical school here and you do a job as a doctor, including seeing unwell patients on the wards and seeing new admissions.

Their ignorance is truly outstanding.

They are not really clue less, they just look at things that are in EU's legal database and build a narrative around the idea that the EU is a mindless dictatorship. I don't know if this tweet is accurate but even if it was in France it would have zero implication because medical school last 6 years and then you have at least 3 years of internship.
 
No, borrowing for growth is a common act. As long as your debts eventually start to shrink as a proportion of your GDP you need never pay them back

As long as you spend it on growth creating things. Japan borrows over 200% of its GDP and its growth hasn't been up to much in the last decade.
 
A part of me is really curious to see if Corbyn's plan for the UK would work.

Ironic of course that our negotiators would seek to cede powers to the EU.
I think it would be doomed to fail - whilst we might have amazing engineering production we are totally dependent on foreign imports for key components and raw materials, so we are easy to kill off if a competitor can also do it.

Sadly the UK has only gone down the route of High -end Manufacturing and engineering in a few key areas such as Aerospace and Vehicle components / parts. Other Countries such as Denmark went down the specialisation route years ago and have protected their manufacturing industry accordingly.

I wouldn't trust Corbyn to manage a village fate and his Momentum colleagues would have the vicar and half of the parishioners thrown out and replaced with apparatchiks from Hoxton and Camden inside a week. I wouldn't hold my breath on Corbyn being any better than the current bunch of incompetents.