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buchansleftleg said:
I think it would be doomed to fail - whilst we might have amazing engineering production we are totally dependent on foreign imports for key components and raw materials, so we are easy to kill off if a competitor can also do it.

Sadly the UK has only gone down the route of High -end Manufacturing and engineering in a few key areas such as Aerospace and Vehicle components / parts. Other Countries such as Denmark went down the specialisation route years ago and have protected their manufacturing industry accordingly.

I wouldn't trust Corbyn to manage a village fate and his Momentum colleagues would have the vicar and half of the parishioners thrown out and replaced with apparatchiks from Hoxton and Camden inside a week. I wouldn't hold my breath on Corbyn being any better than the current bunch of incompetents.
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Don't forget that this manufacturing activity drives a massive part of the service economy.

Manufacturing accounts for about 12% of GDP, in 1968 it accounted for 38%. However, if you take the monetary value of the 12% and compare it to the 38% - even allowing for inflation - the 12% is worth about 3 times the 38%. Why? because we haven't got vast swathes of factories making penny-a-bucket nuts, bolts and washers. That has all gone to low-cost countries.

High end manufacturing is valuable and should be looked after.
 
Pexbo said:
Austerity was a total scam. It was a simple case of outputting less to the public in order to reduce taxes for wealthy figures and corporations.

It’s the same stunt republicans have just pulled in America under a different name.
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And this has been going on since forever. Yet some refuse to recognise and understand this which helps those who are actively benefiting from its perpetuation
 
balaks said:
Oh awesome so we want our Doctors to not be as well trained in future? Fantastic idea.
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If you want good doctors, you can pay extra for one. Otherwise you'll get a quack who qualified from google with the rest of the plebs. It's the tory way!
 
JPRouve said:
They are not really clue less, they just look at things that are in EU's legal database and build a narrative around the idea that the EU is a mindless dictatorship. I don't know if this tweet is accurate but even if it was in France it would have zero implication because medical school last 6 years and then you have at least 3 years of internship.
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The tweet is accurate. There were a few rare cases in Germany when someone actually did accomplish to go through med school in 4 years, they still had to wait for one more year and remained enrolled at uni. I think that the regulations were put in place to guarantee a certain standard for meds.
 
They're going to use Brexit as an excuse to cut everything to shreds, aren't they?
 
SteveJ said:
They're going to use Brexit as an excuse to cut everything to shreds, aren't they?
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Not sure you can blame the councils as much as the central government who provide much of their funding. If the hand that's feeding you is planning for massive cuts it's sensible to start making preparations to a 'less food' scenario.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Man, this place is so left wing, I'm surprised my screen doesn't lean over to one side.
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It seems very middle of the road to me. Perhaps because the Tories have been getting more and more right wing since Maggie was in.
 
Wibble said:
It seems very middle of the road to me. Perhaps because the Tories have been getting more and more right wing since Maggie was in.
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How does the Tories becoming more right wing change the shape of the road and therefore where the middle of it is? The majority of the posts and posters in this thread are leaning to the left. Both in the regards to the traditional concept of what the left, right and centre are and based on how the the country on average is voting.

I don’t see how that can be disputed really. Colin’s right
 
MadMike said:
How does the Tories becoming more right wing change the shape of the road and therefore where the middle of it is? The majority of the posts and posters in this thread are leaning to the left. Both in the regards to the traditional concept of what the left, right and centre are and based on how the the country on average is voting.

I don’t see how that can be disputed really. Colin’s right
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I agree and I believe that I am left leaning.
 
MadMike said:
How does the Tories becoming more right wing change the shape of the road and therefore where the middle of it is? The majority of the posts and posters in this thread are leaning to the left. Both in the regards to the traditional concept of what the left, right and centre are and based on how the the country on average is voting.

I don’t see how that can be disputed really. Colin’s right
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Quoted for posterity :smirk:
 
MadMike said:
How does the Tories becoming more right wing change the shape of the road and therefore where the middle of it is? The majority of the posts and posters in this thread are leaning to the left. Both in the regards to the traditional concept of what the left, right and centre are and based on how the the country on average is voting.

I don’t see how that can be disputed really. Colin’s right
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What does left leaning mean? Obviously not enuff to vote labour now.

And what does traditional left mean? In the past tories were for the working class and labour not. Most in this thread are nowhere, just looking for status quo or something that suits their own greed.
 
MadMike said:
How does the Tories becoming more right wing change the shape of the road and therefore where the middle of it is? The majority of the posts and posters in this thread are leaning to the left. Both in the regards to the traditional concept of what the left, right and centre are and based on how the the country on average is voting.

I don’t see how that can be disputed really. Colin’s right
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Politics has moved quite sharply to the right. Labor are currently only very slightly to the left of centre and labor under Blair were as central as the lib dems are now. There are no mainstream left wing partys left in the UK.

So disagreeing with Tory policy, which is often far right, doesn't make you left wing.
 
I don't think Blair was overtly centrist as some now claim. The unparalleled investment in public services of any government ever was a fairly left-wing thing to do, for example. As was effectively increasing the size of the welfare state by design rather than mismanagement. I think the last Labour government was definitely more left-wing than the current 'everything any Labour government has ever done ever makes them Tories' narrative we have now would have anyone believe.

Sure people can also point to things like tuition fees but you won't get ideological consistency from any politician. Just look at how Jeremy Corbyn takes his talking points from Nigel Farage on Brexit.
 
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Wibble said:
Politics has moved quite sharply to the right. Labor are currently only very slightly to the left of centre and labor under Blair were as central as the lib dems are now. There are no mainstream left wing partys left in the UK.

So disagreeing with Tory policy, which is often far right, doesn't make you left wing.
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There's more than disagreeing with Tory policy going on here mate.
 
Stanley Road said:
What does left leaning mean? Obviously not enuff to vote labour now.

And what does traditional left mean? In the past tories were for the working class and labour not. Most in this thread are nowhere, just looking for status quo or something that suits their own greed.
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When was this?
 
2000 B.C. Think it was a Thursday afternoon.
 
Stanley Road said:
A long time ago . Look it up.
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The Tories have never been for the working classes. They have periodically recognised this by unsuccessfully trying to recruit working class/union members to run for election as Tories (I think the succeeded in recruiting a union official once just before WW2). I suppose pre-WW1 religion was a stronger influence of voting intentions than social class but it would be a massive stretch to say that the Tories were ever a pro-working class party and Labor have always been a pro-working class party.

That the Tories get a large proportion of the working class to vote for them is the largest con trick in history. In effect getting people to feck themselves over because they percieve other working class people who, are slightly less well off as themselves, as lazy or whatever, when it is the right wing policies they vote for that are creating and maintaining the lack of social and economic mobility that keeps most people in their place while increasingly enriching the top 5%.
 
MadMike said:
There's more than disagreeing with Tory policy going on here mate.
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Most views in here are very central. The move to the far right by the Tories makes the middle ground seem left wing in comparison. Plus the Tories lurch to the right has forced many to examine their opinions and realise that they don't like the racist, classist, empathy free zone offered by the Tories, Lib/Nats in Australia and to Trumpites in the US, and pushed them to more overtly speak up.
 
Oscie said:
I don't think Blair was overtly centrist as some now claim. The unparalleled investment in public services of any government ever was a fairly left-wing thing to do, for example. As was effectively increasing the size of the welfare state by design rather than mismanagement. I think the last Labour government was definitely more left-wing than the current 'everything any Labour government has ever done ever makes them Tories' narrative we have now would have anyone believe.

Sure people can also point to things like tuition fees but you won't get ideological consistency from any politician. Just look at how Jeremy Corbyn takes his talking points from Nigel Farage on Brexit.
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Blair was very central. Spending in social policy isn't exclusive to labor even if they usually want to increase it and the Tories decrease it. Corbyn has taken them very very slightly further left again but in effect there are no main stream left wing parties in the UK now. Remember he voted remain but Labor are now paralysed as they fear fighting for a new referendum may piss off some labor voters prior to the election.
 
Wibble said:
Blair was very central. Spending in social policy isn't exclusive to labor even if they usually want to increase it and the Tories decrease it. Corbyn has taken them very very slightly further left again but in effect there are no main stream left wing parties in the UK now. Remember he voted remain but Labor are now paralysed as they fear fighting for a new referendum may piss off some labor voters prior to the election.
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You have to look at it in the context of the last 40 years. Blair is the only leader from "the left" that the country has elected. In that time they've given election seven electoral victories to four leaders from "the right". When Britain moves decidedly to the right as it has really post the 1970s then what constitutes right and left has to change too. Blair was mainstream left in the 90s because that's where 'left' was. Sometimes these things are viewed from the starting point of 'If this was still the 1970s...' where left and right meant different things.

The country has shifted unquestionably to the right over the years yet when people use terms like right-wing and left-wing they're doing so based on an often 40-year old interpretation on what those words mean. Was Blair left wing if we look at things from the perspective of the 1970s? No. Was he left wing from the prospective of a country that in the 20-year shift to the right that had occurred between then and his election? I'd argue he was. Not hard-left, but mainstream left as that's where the mainstream left was.

Else I'm not sure when the 'mainstream left' has ever really existed as a successful force in British politics. Attlee, Wilson and Blair all led governments that were to the right of the Labour party and I'd argue were all representative of where the mainstream left was at the time.
 
The UK, Australia and even the US lack a social democratic party. Which is depressing.
 
Dan said:
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Mr Fox said if the EU did not like the proposal, they should "show us one that they can suggest that would be acceptable to us".
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He’s blaming the EU for not falling for their ridiculous proposals and seconds later proceeds to say that UK is inflexible and won’t accept EU suggested variants.

I mean the self-awareness of these guys is non-existent or he simply more concerned about staying relevant in the eyes of right wing public, hence the pandering.
 
Rajma said:
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He’s blaming the EU for not falling for their ridiculous proposals and seconds later proceeds to say that UK is inflexible and won’t accept EU suggested variants.

I mean the self-awareness of these guys is non-existent or he simply more concerned about staying relevant in the eyes of right wing public, hence the pandering.
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Furthermore this moron is supposedly the international trade secretary whom Brexiters are pinning their hopes on together with the super duper negotiating team that goes to Brussels to line up these fantastic trade deals in the future.
 
Hammerfell said:
Fox has an eminently punchable face.
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I raise you the Australian Minister for Home Affairs - Peter Dutton

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