Thought you were talking about the Leavers there, you know the ones that don't care about the effects of Brexit on their fellow man just as long as they get their country back?
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Yes, quite, it's not that big, only 5% of France's total exports to the UK are animal or vegetable products and less than 5% of all their animal and vegetable products are exported to the UK.
Struggle with the whole 'Unless you're nice about us being completely fecking stupid it's pretty much your fault we voted for something completely fecking stupid in the first place' shift, if I'm honest. Brexit and Trump are two examples of what happens when the grown ups are shamed into being nice to the morons in case they hurt their feelings, and end up legitimising them and their choices. Not my bag, sorry.
If you think building a wall and that economic consequences aren't a thing, it's pretty low down on my priority list to make sure you feel validated as a human being.
If you think building a wall and that economic consequences aren't a thing, it's pretty low down on my priority list to make sure you feel validated as a human being.
[QUOTE="Jippy, post: 22945773, member: 47548"]Chuck in our island mentality too- people forget or don't realise how much of a role UK lawyers played in writing the EU legislation.
Tbh the obsession with Germany and France is arguably the least stupid thing about Brexit.[/QUOTE]
Probably the single most huge influencing factor in our relationship with Europe.
Tbh the obsession with Germany and France is arguably the least stupid thing about Brexit.[/QUOTE]
Probably the single most huge influencing factor in our relationship with Europe.
After 692 pages can someone finally coherently explain to me how Germany and France have bullied Britain? The British have started to expect foreign politicians to disregard the interests of their countries and own constituencies in order to satisfy a part of the British political class that invents grievances, numbers, accusations and lives and feeds of a class system that isn't fit for the 21st century.
It's completely ludicrous.
Why blame your own ineptitude when you can pin it on the EU? That's it in a nutshell for me and has been a consistent mantra in UK politics for decades. That aint gonna wash after next March though when the scapegoat is gone.
I agree, I've come to the same conclusion. I blame every politician who has blamed the EU for problems he or his/her party have created. In a sense May may have fast become the worst of them, coming up with unworkable idea after unworkable idea and then blaming the EU for pointing out the ways in which they are unworkable.
I fear they will be blaming the EU for a very long time after march though. (And the people in the EU will care about the faux complaints even less then they ever did before).
Yeah, fair point. I guess this thread has been going round in circles for ages, but the Tories still can't agree among themselves, let alone with the EU. I just hope these persistent rumours about Boris making a leadership bid are false. Given how batshit everything is at the moment, the fat stupid feck will probably win, quadrupling our misery.
Interesting, it's this bit that turned me from ambivalent to a firm leave person. Pathetic, and stupid, your comments about foreign politicians lol, it's exactly what you expect from UK politicians.
Should have kept insisting.
Why the subterfuge? So cringe...
Wow...we're online and anonymous too...
I'm not talking about being nice to Brexiteers, I'm talking about you being happy for an economic downturn that'll inevitably effect the worst off, many of whom hate Brexit as much as you do.
"I only started supporting Brexit after people kept on explaining to me how ridiculous and stupid it was."
bloody experts have ruined everything
"I only started supporting Brexit after people kept on explaining to me how ridiculous and stupid it was."
Reminds of a crazy relative I have who is always against experts. Whenever one is on TV making a point he immediately distrusts him/her and takes the opposite opinion. Last one was the old "vaccinations cause autism" bs. "All these experts were so quick to come out against it, there must be something to it", he said.
Except that it is British politicians printing lies on buses, leave politicians inventing EU laws just to complain about them etc.
See you think that holding the UK to commitments the UK has made is some sort of subjugation. If you were representing anything close to the majority of the UK and British people I would be glad to see you leave. But you're not. There's millions of decent Brits who know facts from lies, who can tell when a politician is pandering falsehoods to the gullible masses, who fecking know motorways weren't built to be car parks.
It's those people why we still want and need a deal.
I ask for a coherent explanation and all I get is "lol".
lol
Well this is interesting.
They will still find a way to blame the EU.
Looking forward to @Chorley1974 response
You surprised?Lmao wow the paid Tory shills have infiltrated the caf
Heh.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/eu-referendum-uk-residents-vote-today.404633/page-8#post-18743860
And then only started to say 'I voted Remain or I am undecided' as a way in to attacks on every facet of the Remain argument.
Also that page is an amusing example of how Nick was wrong about everything. I especially liked his prediction that a post-leave vote Britain would shift towards the left.
Oh wow @Chorley1974 you've had a mare there.
Is he very unsatisfied with his life?
That's pretty funny. Really goes with what Paul said on the last page, so many blatant leave posters (not just here) who say "oh I voted remain originally, by the way, I swear. <reasons why they hate the EU>"
Doesn’t he literally admit in that post that he’s changed from remain voter to leave position?
Why not vote again after the deal is hashed out?
Isn't that the opposite? From leave to remain to leave.
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To be fair, back in July 2016 he described himself as 'Reluctantly in the Remain camp' so he's being honest. It's also fair to say however that he was never a solid Remain supporter even back then, so a switch to Leave isn't particularly surprising.
Moving to a leave position in light of all that is going on? 
Guess he must be buying the project fear narrative.
Guess he must be buying the project fear narrative.
Moving to a leave position in light of all that is going on?
Guess he must be buying the project fear narrative.
I won't talk for Chorley but I suspect that for some people it's not the project fear narrative that is upsetting. It's more the disbelief that the remaining EU members aren't acting like the scared creature that a lot of people expected, some people also seem to not understand that other countries have interest to protect that their own interest will always supersede the UK's particularly when the UK wants to distance itself from them. All of that leads some people to interpret the current situation as a punishment act by EU members when it's simply business.
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That as well. Which is equally stupid, imho.
Well yeah. Just not sure why everyone is acting like he’s committed the worlds biggest internet faux pas. It’s ok to change your mind the more you learn
Agreed. In fact it's more than ok, it's those that never change any of their opinions that are the dangerous ones. They're effectively saying they've learned feck-all through life.
It’s a fecking weird reason to flip flop though. Because he doesn’t like the way Remain voters talk about Leave voters. Just goes to show what a fecked up, social-media driven world we live in. People don’t care about the issues they’re voting about as much as they care about their online perception of the people inhabiting the two opposing camps. So strange.
Yup. Same in the US. I know someone who was pro-trump despite all the warning signs. His thing was how the “damn liberals” spoke
You are right, yet I can sort of see where he's coming from. Some of the Remain 'you're stupid, you're racist, you're uneducated, you're old, you think we still have an empire (really?)' stuff was, and is, hugely counterproductive.
Agreed it's made people double down on their beliefs in many cases.
It is counterproductive becauase it pisses people off so they stop listening to you but the idea that people would decide which way to vote based on being pissed off by people online - instead of based on their analysis of what the vote means for their country - blows my mind. Cutting off their nose to spite their face. Bonkers.