Cop in America doing a bad job, again

villain said:
You literally said "Everyone knows the issue is the American gun culture full stop. Change that and everything else improves with it." and ignored the fact that the police have a history of being brutal and abusing their power for over 100 years (when the American citizens weren't anywhere near as heavily armed) which was pointed out by Grinner & Afro. Eboue may have had less tact in the way he spoke about the subject but he wasn't wrong.

Spamming the thread with positive things the police do, doesn't really do anything does it?
Everyone expects the police to do positive things, that's what they're paid for, it doesn't take away the fact that thousands of them every year abuse their power.
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Nor does spamming the thread about everything they do wrong?

The police are representative of the people. The people are obsessed with firearms, the right to bear arms and have to qualms about taking a life if they feel it's justified. You have young children being taught how to use guns in some states and a general attitude with is archaic. It's an extreme but Sacha Baron Cohen's show highlighted what we already know.

Forget police v citizens for a minute. They are both the same. The issues are much more deep rooted in my opinion looking in.
 
TheReligion said:
Yes because telling me to feck off is really proves my point of how intolerant this thread is..

The thread should welcome other opinions. Opinions which are quite valid given they are evidence based and not purely thrown out subjectively.

And yeah it's an emotive subject for me given I've had colleagues shot dead.
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Well you come in and post a bit then get upset when people don't agree with you so you call it an echo chamber and then slink off. Rinse and repeat. Great contribution.

It annoys me because as soon as people start getting uncomfortable or hearing things they don't want to hear they start belittling/downplaying and throwing out the usual terms like echo chamber etc...

Either stay and put forth arguements and discussion to juxtapose against this 'echo chamber' or do one instead of moaning and then disappearing... That's my 2 pence.
 
afrocentricity said:
Well you come in and post a bit then get upset when people don't agree with you so you call it an echo chamber and then slink off. Rinse and repeat. Great contribution.

It annoys me because as soon as people start getting uncomfortable or hearing things they don't want to hear they start belittling/downplaying and throwing out the usual terms like echo chamber etc...

Either stay and put forth arguements and discussion to juxtapose against this 'echo chamber' or do one instead of moaning and then disappearing... That's my 2 pence.
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I think you're paranoid.

PS tone down the attitude.
 
TheReligion said:
Nor does spamming the thread about everything they do wrong?

The police are representative of the people. The people are obsessed with firearms, the right to bear arms and have to qualms about taking a life if they feel it's justified. You have young children being taught how to use guns in some states and a general attitude with is archaic. It's an extreme but Sacha Baron Cohen's show highlighted what we already know.

Forget police v citizens for a minute. They are both the same. The issues are much more deep rooted in my opinion looking in.
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The thread isn't spammed with everything that they do wrong, the thread only really posts about police when they kill someone.
There's plenty of issues of police when they choke some, arrest little kids, sexually assault sex workers etc - so there's plenty of stuff that is omitted from this thread, but I digress.

You're stuck on this idea that the American obsession with firearms is the only reason why police are out of control. I agree that the thought that any criminal you are dealing with may be armed makes it tougher to remedy some situations.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smit...history-police-brutality-in-the-us-180964098/
I suggest you read this - it speaks about behaviour of police in the last 100 years which involves hosing people, getting police dogs to attack them, beating people of coulour half to death in their own neighbourhoods etc - and this is in the 30s.
You can't suggest that the police in the 30s were 'scared' that people were armed to their teeth can you? Or the average American was obsessed with firearms?

Also this is a good read; http://harvardpolitics.com/online/s...on-viewing-police-brutality-data-driven-lens/
It speaks to the massive racial disparities when incidents of police brutality occur too.
I'd argue that gun owners are majority white, yet the victims of police brutality are often black and unarmed - in fact most victims of police brutality are unarmed.

I don't disagree that it's police are representative of the citizens - but that being true doesn't take away from the deep rooted issues at all, and it's not simplistic to just suggest that un-arming everyone in America would suddenly decrease police brutality.
 
villain said:
The thread isn't spammed with everything that they do wrong, the thread only really posts about police when they kill someone.
There's plenty of issues of police when they choke some, arrest little kids, sexually assault sex workers etc - so there's plenty of stuff that is omitted from this thread, but I digress.

You're stuck on this idea that the American obsession with firearms is the only reason why police are out of control. I agree that the thought that any criminal you are dealing with may be armed makes it tougher to remedy some situations.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smit...history-police-brutality-in-the-us-180964098/
I suggest you read this - it speaks about behaviour of police in the last 100 years which involves hosing people, getting police dogs to attack them, beating people of coulour half to death in their own neighbourhoods etc - and this is in the 30s.
You can't suggest that the police in the 30s were 'scared' that people were armed to their teeth can you? Or the average American was obsessed with firearms?

Also this is a good read; http://harvardpolitics.com/online/s...on-viewing-police-brutality-data-driven-lens/
It speaks to the massive racial disparities when incidents of police brutality occur too.
I'd argue that gun owners are majority white, yet the victims of police brutality are often black and unarmed - in fact most victims of police brutality are unarmed.

I don't disagree that it's police are representative of the citizens - but that being true doesn't take away from the deep rooted issues at all, and it's not simplistic to just suggest that un-arming everyone in America would suddenly decrease police brutality.
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I'll certainly have a read of those articles when I can get a minute later on.

I'm not stuck on any specific idea though, was simply giving my opinion on one of the key reasons I think there's issues.
 
TheReligion said:
You're making yourself look silly mate. That's all.
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What response were you expecting after calling me paranoid (for pointing out that the last few times I've seen you in this thread, you post, get upset that people in the thread disagree with you, then call it an echo chamber and slink off) and telling me to wind my neck in? It obviously wasn't going to be 'Ok sir yes sir'...

I'm just reacting to you, something for you to think about in your day to day interactions with the public.

Anyway, have a good day.
 
afrocentricity said:
What response were you expecting after calling me paranoid (for pointing out that the last few times I've seen you in this thread, you post, get upset that people in the thread disagree with you, then call it an echo chamber and slink off) and telling me to wind my neck in? It obviously wasn't going to be 'Ok sir yes sir'...

I'm just reacting to you, something for you to think about in your day to day interactions with the public.

Anyway, have a good day.
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Look up Betari Box.

You seem unable to take your strong emotions out of discussion and it results in you behaving rudely. It's a shame really but understandable to a degree.
 
Watched the Netflix documentary, 13 last night. America is fecked.
Black men are 6% of the population but 40% if the prison populace.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
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I don't disagree with that article at all. Swat teams shouldn't be utilized for low level drug crimes/suspects and search warrants.
However, in today's insane world of active shooters every other day and other isis-inspired terrorism attacks, THAT is the quickly becoming the main focus of many law enforcement agencies. It isn't limited to SWAT teams because in reality if some shit really popped off it's going to be the regular patrol officer that will be first on scene. So even regular joe blow cops are now receiving more training on active shooter drills, and are equipped with some kind of long-gun.
 
choiboyx012 said:
I don't disagree with that article at all. Swat teams shouldn't be utilized for low level drug crimes/suspects and search warrants.
However, in today's insane world of active shooters every other day and other isis-inspired terrorism attacks, THAT is the quickly becoming the main focus of many law enforcement agencies. It isn't limited to SWAT teams because in reality if some shit really popped off it's going to be the regular patrol officer that will be first on scene. So even regular joe blow cops are now receiving more training on active shooter drills, and are equipped with some kind of long-gun.
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I actually read a different article since that one was behind a pay wall.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/where-is-the-data-on-police-behavior/568258/

The problem with asymmetric warfare (which terrorism is intentionally, and all these school shooters are de facto) is that imposes the problematic equation of spending far too much resources try to protect against every incident or inevitably leaving open weak points because you can't have overwhelming response to everything.

I think the best way to combat this is transparency and collecting as much data as possible to be analyzed (and not listening to people like that Ditzy DeVos)

The Atlantic said:
If America is serious about improving police behavior tomorrow, policy analysts need to know what police are doing today. We need the data, not just for some cities, but for all cities; not just for some years, but for all years. Republicans and Democrats should work together to impose a requirement that police agencies adopt a standard set of practices for recording data on the behavior of their officers and deposit that data regularly in a centralized public archive. These data should include the date, time, and location of police-citizen interactions, as well as enforcement outcomes and information on the use of force. The data should also be maintained indefinitely so analysts can measure changes over time.
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Another reason why America should abolish the death penalty. Too many cnuts in the justice system.
 
Quick we need a video of a cop doing the right thing it's getting a bit libcafe! :rolleyes:
 
11101 said:
This one would be funny if it weren't so tragic. Officer breaks into someone's house thinking it was her own, then shoots the owner dead.

://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45450558
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I read one report saying that the police found the officers key still in the doorlock, so most likely she couldn't open it and Botham heard the commotion and opened the door himself, only then did he get shot, after opening his own door.
 
Just came to post that story about the officer killing the guy in his own apartment. When are the local police defenders gonna come and try to explain how it was the guy's fault and the police in America aren't too trigger happy? Unless of course the guy was guilty of the threatening crime of living in his own apartment. This is one of the most disgusting things I've read pertaining to the american police, and that is honestly saying something.
 
Cloud7 said:
Just came to post that story about the officer killing the guy in his own apartment. When are the local police defenders gonna come and try to explain how it was the guy's fault and the police in America aren't too trigger happy? Unless of course the guy was guilty of the threatening crime of living in his own apartment. This is one of the most disgusting things I've read pertaining to the american police, and that is honestly saying something.
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If the guy had shot the cop he'd be in jail now.
 
Grinner said:
If the guy had shot the cop he'd be in jail now.
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No way mate, if the guy shot the cop I can say with 100% certainty he would be dead right now. The other responding officers would have found some justification for killing him. It’s crazy that she’s at home on paid leave. Disgusting.
 
You break into someone's home, kill them angmdyou get administrative leave. Where is the justice?
 
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