Rashford probably needs to leave - Jamie Redknapp

[POF]

I certainly agree with the second point, and I agree to an extent with the first but it must also be said that, albeit through the media, Rashford himself has made some pretty unconvincing noises about his situation. I don't mind if he's frustrated, indeed it could be argued it's essential for a young player to be constantly hungry for more, but I hope he understands he must take a portion of the blame for his perceived slowing of progress. He had chances last season which he didn't take, which is by no means the end of the world for a 20 year old, but that's on him.

That is my biggest concern with the United squad at the moment and not just Rashford. There will always be a lot of negative press around United and Fergie was brilliant at creating an "us against them" siege mentality.

The current trend is the press stories that "Jose's dour tactics stifle his attacking players". In the Fergie era it wouldn't bother me at all because the players would come out and say the right thing and you could tell the squad was all pulling in the same direction and was behind the manager.

Now, there are a lot of unconvincing noises from players like Pogba, Rashford and Martial. All players who have had some horrendously bad games and make inexplicably bad decisions on the pitch.

From the outside it is hard to tell whether the players' poor form is due to the lack of fluidity in attack or the lack of fluidity due to players' poor form but there is certainly no major attempt from the players to rubbish the media reports and they seem more than happy to let Jose take the blame for their poor performances. From a squad unity perspective, that is extremely worrying.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

This is ridiculous. How can anyone say Rasfhord has a higher ceiling than Martial is beyond me.

I really despise this talk about ceilings that we have on here, it’s hyperthetical hyperbole.

Ultimately there is no point in having potential if you don’t fulfil it. Rashford is the one going to a World Cup, whilst Martial is sitting at home. Would be nice if we could enjoy having them both at Utd.

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

That is my biggest concern with the United squad at the moment and not just Rashford. There will always be a lot of negative press around United and Fergie was brilliant at creating an "us against them" siege mentality.

The current trend is the press stories that "Jose's dour tactics stifle his attacking players". In the Fergie era it wouldn't bother me at all because the players would come out and say the right thing and you could tell the squad was all pulling in the same direction and was behind the manager.

Now, there are a lot of unconvincing noises from players like Pogba, Rashford and Martial. All players who have had some horrendously bad games and make inexplicably bad decisions on the pitch.

From the outside it is hard to tell whether the players' poor form is due to the lack of fluidity in attack or the lack of fluidity due to players' poor form but there is certainly no major attempt from the players to rubbish the media reports and they seem more than happy to let Jose take the blame for their poor performances. From a squad unity perspective, that is extremely worrying.

I think that's key; we don't know the exact situation in the camp so getting too wedded either to 'it's Jose, get rid' or 'it's a cabal of players, get rid' seems foolish to me. However I agree all doesn't seem to be well and it's a concern. In Rashford's case I just hope he's willing to look at himself, and the chances he passed up last year, before he points fingers elsewhere.

With the season over I hope everyone can take a step back, put last season to bed and come back from the WC/a break ready to do their very best together for United. I'm choosing to view certain developments since the cup final; signing Fred, signing Dalot, promoting McKenna, the fact we haven't heard any more moaning from players, as signs the camp will be able to come together in a more positive way next year. Fred and McKenna in particular I'm hoping are positive steps to improving our attack. At our very worst last year the ball became mired in midfield with no-one able to make a positive pass or dribble to move the ball through opposition lines, so more dynamism in the centre of the park is sorely needed.

For fans with the limited knowledge we have I think it comes down to who you choose to listen to and what you choose to believe. I think there are problems in the squad that need to be addressed but I don't see where being told by the likes of Redknapp how terrible it's going for Rashford and twisting every word from Jose and Pogba into messages of doom gets us as fans.

 

[POF]

I think that's key; we don't know the exact situation in the camp so getting too wedded either to 'it's Jose, get rid' or 'it's a cabal of players, get rid' seems foolish to me. However I agree all doesn't seem to be well and it's a concern. In Rashford's case I just hope he's willing to look at himself, and the chances he passed up last year, before he points fingers elsewhere.

With the season over I hope everyone can take a step back, put last season to bed and come back from the WC/a break ready to do their very best together for United. I'm choosing to view certain developments since the cup final; signing Fred, signing Dalot, promoting McKenna, the fact we haven't heard any more moaning from players, as signs the camp will be able to come together in a more positive way next year. Fred and McKenna in particular I'm hoping are positive steps to improving our attack. At our very worst last year the ball became mired in midfield with no-one able to make a positive pass or dribble to move the ball through opposition lines, so more dynamism in the centre of the park is sorely needed.

For fans with the limited knowledge we have I think it comes down to who you choose to listen to and what you choose to believe. I think there are problems in the squad that need to be addressed but I don't see where being told by the likes of Redknapp how terrible it's going for Rashford and twisting every word from Jose and Pogba into messages of doom gets us as fans.

My worry is that despite story after story in the press and numerous commentators putting the boot in that Jose is "ruining" Pogba/Martial/Rashford or whoever it is this week, there is never anything from any of the players rubbishing those types of comments.

You could just imagine Keane, Robson, Bruce, Evra, Vidic, etc coming out and saying that X player needs to look in the mirror and start performing and the message would be exactly the same from the underperforming player themselves.

There is an excuses mentality at the club just now where players who have been told they are much better than they are by all and sundry are happy to allow the blame for their below par performances to sit anywhere but themselves. Most worryingly, there appears to be a divide between the squad and the coaching staff. Hopefully the changes in the coaching staff will help with that one.

 

[Mainoldo]

But what are we basing this on exactly? Klopp has bought Solanke, the same age as Rashford. Was meant to be the next best thing from Chelsea’s youth academy. How many games did it take him to finally score on the last day of the season?

Maybe because he’s better? Lol. Just a suggestion!

Rashford needs a loan. Like you’ve kind of pointed out he’s better than a Solanke and his development now requires a lot more starting minutes to iron out his game. The best examples are Lukaku and De Bruyne; he’s at their level before there loans and look how that turned out for them. Potential wise I feel he could be a better striker than Lukaka he just needs to get the mileage.

 

[Fridge chutney]

Ok forget Pep, but if you are with those who think a loan would do him good. Why would that help him do you think? Possibility of him working under a new coach maybe?

I think a loan to a nearly top continental club where Rashford would play every week would be beneficial for his development, especially if we keep Martial and buy another attacker.

 

[Smores]

My worry is that despite story after story in the press and numerous commentators putting the boot in that Jose is "ruining" Pogba/Martial/Rashford or whoever it is this week, there is never anything from any of the players rubbishing those types of comments.

You could just imagine Keane, Robson, Bruce, Evra, Vidic, etc coming out and saying that X player needs to look in the mirror and start performing and the message would be exactly the same from the underperforming player themselves.

There is an excuses mentality at the club just now where players who have been told they are much better than they are by all and sundry are happy to allow the blame for their below par performances to sit anywhere but themselves. Most worryingly, there appears to be a divide between the squad and the coaching staff. Hopefully the changes in the coaching staff will help with that one.

There's no incentive for those players to close down any discussion that they should be playing more. I'm not sure any players past ir present would be doing that

 

[whatwha]

I don't know why the threads about rashford are blowing up. He just scored a good goal, can't we just appreciate it and move on? There's plenty of time for shitposting next season.

He is a good player. Nothing more,nothing less. Consistency will be a problem at his age. All this comes back to the main issue: that we have not won the league for over half a decade now. The champions league for a full decade. It has resulted in people becoming way too impatient with a boy who is just 20 years of age. And I can see it remaining that way until we go back to being successful.

Let's see how the next season shapes up before making a decision on whether to loan him or keep him. Next season is the make or break season for Mourinho, Martial( if he is still there after August 9), Alexis, Pogba and the club itself. Will we finally dust the cobwebs of the post-SAF years? I can't wait to find out.

Yes, consistency will be a problem for almost every 20 year old. But I think the concern for me is not the fluctuations between highs and lows, but rather the lack of many great highs. His ceiling has not really gone up compared to 2 years ago. He's not kicking on. I wouldn't be concerned if he was putting in some really impressive games (playing well for 60+ minutes rather than just producing a flash) intermingled with really bad ones. There's too many really average games from him.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

There is no need for a loan, for goodness sake he’s a first team player. Let’s hand a year of his development to a team who don’t have his best interests in mind, and might not even play him, we can’t guarantee he would. Or perhaps he could play 35 plus games for a top European side who are in the CL...

 

[12OunceEpilogue]

There is no need for a loan, for goodness sake he’s a first team player. Let’s hand a year of his development to a team who don’t have his best interests in mind, and might not even play him, we can’t guarantee he would. Or perhaps he could play 35 plus games for a top European side who are in the CL...

He's going to Spurs?!

 

[Mainoldo]

There is no need for a loan, for goodness sake he’s a first team player. Let’s hand a year of his development to a team who don’t have his best interests in mind, and might not even play him, we can’t guarantee he would. Or perhaps he could play 35 plus games for a top European side who are in the CL...

I’m sure there’s a long list of teams that would take him. Like it’s Rashford for free. The whole point of him going on loan is to gain first team playing experience. He’s not getting that here. Just take Lukaku’s developement

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

67 starts in 2 years - he’s getting pleantly of experience where he is.

 

[POF]

There's no incentive for those players to close down any discussion that they should be playing more. I'm not sure any players past ir present would be doing that

Yet most did in the past. Any hint of this nonsense in the past would have been met with "this is Manchester United. Nobody is guaranteed their place and it's up to the players to perform to earn their spot in the team". Even from the player who was left out.

Now you have comments that Rashford works better under Gareth fecking Southgate than Mourinho. What does that say about him?

It really is shocking how quickly the mentality of the United squad has gone from a group of serial winners to immature little whiners who think they are superstars despite accomplishing very little in the game.

Some of Rashford's performances last season after he was dropped for Martial were an utter disgrace. He cost them the game at Bristol City and I don't think I've ever seen a player in a United shirt refuse to pass to a teammate in a clearly better position as often as he does. It's like the greedy kid in my son's under 7 team except he will probably grow out of it.

 

[ghagua]

It hurts to say, but Rashford is being wasted. He is not a winger any more, he should be playing and developing his game as a striker. No matter how many games he is being used in as a winger, he is not getting the experience of playing as the main striker and it shows.

 

[Brightonian]

It hurts to say, but Rashford is being wasted. He is not a winger any more, he should be playing and developing his game as a striker. No matter how many games he is being used in as a winger, he is not getting the experience of playing as the main striker and it shows.

But he wasn't the main striker in the England game which has prompted all this chat either. He was a #10, and spent plenty of time in the same positions he plays for United.

 

[Neo_Mufc]

If Rashford has an excellent World Cup and Mourinho fails to get the best out of him next season, I genuinely feel we will lose him.

 

[MikeKing]

If Rashford has an excellent World Cup and Mourinho fails to get the best out of him next season, I genuinely feel we will lose him.

Its not inconceivable to think that a young player might have a good cup run and then struggle to match that in the league. Doesn't mean that José have to be doing something wrong, does it? However, if he is indeed really good in the WC and it's no hype involved neither, i bet he'll probably be better for us next season than what he has been. If he doesn't perform next season in the PL, we should consider loaning him out at least.

 

[Woziak]

We currently have 6 offensive players for 3 or 4 positions with Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial, Mata, Lingard and Rashford being the options.

When Jose took over the club some 2 years ago, after that summers transfer window the club had the following options; Zlatan, Rooney, Mkhitaryan, Mata, Lingard, Martial, Memphis, Rashford (8)

Jose allowed Memphis to leave in the January transfer window reducing his quota to 7, why do fans think that Mourinho would sign one right winger and then lose Martial on a permanent and Rashford on a 1 year loan.........It's never going to happen!

What may happen is that Jose wants 7 players in his squad as attacking options and a have a genuine physical option as a back up to Lukaku and a work horse as a right winger.....It wouldn't be a surprise that come August our options for attack look like this with Mata being sold and Mandzukic and Bale being bought!

Possible Attacking Options - 2018/19;
Lukaku, Mandzukic*, Rashford, Sanchez, Bale*, Martial, Lingard (7)

Probable Attacking Options - 2018/19;
Lukaku, Anaoutivic*, Rashford, Martial, Lingard, Sanchez, Willian* (7)

It's certainly more likely that Jose wants in his Squad for next season, 3 - GKS, 10 - Defenders 6 - Midfielders and 7- Attackers
with a squad of 26 since the club demands more goals and more attacking football!

 

[Woziak]

We currently have 6 offensive players for 3 or 4 positions with Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial, Mata, Lingard and Rashford being the options.

When Jose took over the club some 2 years ago, after that summers transfer window the club had the following options; Zlatan, Rooney, Mkhitaryan, Mata, Lingard, Martial, Memphis, Rashford (8)

Jose allowed Memphis to leave in the January transfer window reducing his quota to 7, why do fans think that Mourinho would sign one right winger and then lose Martial on a permanent and Rashford on a 1 year loan.........It's never going to happen!

What may happen is that Jose wants 7 players in his squad as attacking options and a have a genuine physical option as a back up to Lukaku and a work horse as a right winger.....It wouldn't be a surprise that come August our options for attack look like this with Mata being sold and Mandzukic and Bale being bought!

Possible Attacking Options - 2018/19;
Lukaku, Mandzukic*, Rashford, Sanchez, Bale*, Martial, Lingard (7)

Probable Attacking Options - 2018/19;
Lukaku, Anaoutivic*, Rashford, Martial, Lingard, Sanchez, Willian* (7)

It's certainly more likely that Jose wants in his Squad for next season, 3 - GKS, 10 - Defenders 6 - Midfielders and 7- Attackers
with a squad of 26 since the club demands more goals and more attacking football!

 

[ghagua]

But he wasn't the main striker in the England game which has prompted all this chat either. He was a #10, and spent plenty of time in the same positions he plays for United.

Who is talking about the England game? I never even watched it. I am talking about the player who broke through and looked odds on to become a serious world class player, but now he is a shadow of the player who broke through. If he is playing well for England, then it just goes to show what a decent attack minded manager can get out of the player.

 

[Posh Red]

I really despise this talk about ceilings that we have on here, it’s hyperthetical hyperbole.

Ultimately there is no point in having potential if you don’t fulfil it. Rashford is the one going to a World Cup, whilst Martial is sitting at home. Would be nice if we could enjoy having them both at Utd.

If they switched teams then the opposite would more than likely be the case.

 

[Jonno]

Rashford will not be going out on loan

Why would you loan out a player who contributes around 40-50 appearances per season who is homegrown, loved by the fans, in the England World Cup Squad. It just will not happen, I'd understand if he only go around 15-20 appearances.

Players like TFM, Johnstone, Pereira - they are not important squad members, hence they have been loaned out.

Rashford whilst not an automatic starter, is an important squad member.

Lets move on from this.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

I really despise this talk about ceilings that we have on here, it’s hypothetical hyperbole.

Ultimately there is no point in having potential if you don’t fulfil it. Rashford is the one going to a World Cup, whilst Martial is sitting at home. Would be nice if we could enjoy having them both at Utd.

100%. The term 'Ceiling' is a nonsensical crutch that far too many use.

Look at a player like Dwight Yorke. Everyone generally accepted that he was a very talented player. Great to watch.

Yet tell someone in the summer of 1998 that he would win a Treble inside a year and they'd have laughed their asses off. Going even further, in that same Summer it would have been insane to suggest that Yorke was a better signing than Michael Owen.

One was a lazy centre forward at a half-decent Villa side. The other was an exciting young player with the world seemingly at his feet.

 

[Ali Dia]

His goal for England was scored from the right hand side.... I don’t think he’s ready to play up front for us at all. I think if he went to a mid level club on loan he’d do pretty well up front but nothing world class yet, I think he’ll come into his own in another few seasons, how good is his top level? No idea. We currently use him a lot and he’ll keep improving. I saw a post a while back saying his stats at the same ago are similar to Ronaldo. He’s obviously not going to turn out as good as Ronaldo but it seems he’s a very promising player getting plenty of minutes here. It’s all good so far.

 

[Samid]

"He might have to go in the end. It doesn't help your confidence. Every time you are training you think 'I'm not going to play on Saturday'.

"He probably needs to go and play football somewhere.

"It is a shame but that's modern day football and that's why it's so hard for young British players to get opportunities."

"With Croatia's defeat against France, Rakitic reached 71 matches for the 2017/18 season - more than anybody else. Chelsea's Willian (70) has the second most with Son Heung-Min (Tottenham), De Bruyne (Man City) and Rashford (Man United) on 68 in third."

 

[Sassy Colin]

Here we go again

https://www.independent.ie/sport/so...-to-become-a-worldclass-striker-37308803.html

 

[charlenefan]

Here we go again

https://www.independent.ie/sport/so...-to-become-a-worldclass-striker-37308803.html

Carragher isn't wrong though is he? Zlatan was the perfect solution to Rashford's long term development but unfortunately he got injured and Rashford wasn't ready so Lukaku had to come in and thus it was always then going to be an issue for Rashford to become the clubs number 9

 

[Sylar]

I personally just want to see Rashford (and most young players) play in their proper positions and work on that.
I used to get the whole 'hes getting minutes out of position' but thats when we were winning.
Now that we arent, I think the players need to be where they learnt their stuff and can apply that and improve on that. Sure they can still work on other areas, but I wanna see our players become masters of something rather than ok at this and that.

 

[Murray3007]

if he wants to be a CF then he prob would be better of leaving, Jose usually likes a big stong forward and no matter how bad Lukkau done at times last year he always played. not sure why people are getting there knickers in a twist about the comments surely everyone could see it. he looks a completely different player playing for England then he does playing for United right now.

 

[pacifictheme]

if he wants to be a CF then he prob would be better of leaving, Jose usually likes a big stong forward and no matter how bad Lukkau done at times last year he always played. not sure why people are getting there knickers in a twist about the comments surely everyone could see it. he looks a completely different player playing for England then he does playing for United right now.

I'd say on loan, but jose will be gone in two years probably and a new manager may decide rashford is his first choice if he gets good numbers for another club.

 

[Pexbo]

Worth remembering that Rooney wasn’t given the CF role until he was about 25.

Ferguson recognised it was better for his development and he was more useful to the team in either a wide or deeper role.

It’s the same deal for Rashford, I’m not sure why the consensus is that it will restrict his development and he should leave.

 

[Jagga7]

Worth remembering that Rooney wasn’t given the CF role until he was about 25.

Ferguson recognised it was better for his development and he was more useful to the team in either a wide or deeper role.

It’s the same deal for Rashford, I’m not sure why the consensus is that it will restrict his development and he should leave.

Rooney was upfront straight away, he only moved to the wing when we started playing 4-3-3 about 3-4 years later.

 

[Sylar]

Rooney was playing up top with Ruud when he broke in. He went out wide to left when it was seen it would benefit the team (by having him out wide and Ronaldo up top as opposed to the other way).
(And he had already broken into the Everton team playing up top there and for England).

Cant really compare him and Rashford.

 

[IrishRedDevil]

Rashford is only 20, people need to calm down. He’s at his boyhood club and there is no harm in him playing on the fringes for a while. If he isn’t a first team regular by the age of 22/23, then yes the media can moan, but at 20 at with his patches of form there is no issue in him playing from the bench. This is just another thing for the media to be negative about, as we just can’t enjoy having an exciting youth player breaking through.

 

[El Zoido]

Carragher isn't wrong though is he? Zlatan was the perfect solution to Rashford's long term development but unfortunately he got injured and Rashford wasn't ready so Lukaku had to come in and thus it was always then going to be an issue for Rashford to become the clubs number 9

Is he ever going to develop the goalscoring prowess for a club intent on winning the highest honours? I just don’t think he’s got it. You can usually tell from a young age if a player is going to be a 25-30 goal a season striker (which is what we require), Rashford has never looked like that player.

 

[Pexbo]

Rooney was upfront straight away, he only moved to the wing when we started playing 4-3-3 about 3-4 years later.

When Rooney arrived, Van Nistelrooy was up front and Rooney played a free role behind him. He wasn’t a centre forward by any stretch.

After Ruud left, when fit, Saha lead the line and Rooney again played in behind and started picking up wider positions. He occasionally got to lead the line when Saha was out but it wasn’t his main role.

The following season saw Rooney playing wider with Ronaldo having the licence to attack the box.

In the following years we bought Tevez and then Berbatov and Rooney was pushed wider and further back until 2010/2011 when he was given the nod to actually lead the line full time.

It’s a very comparable situation. In his first 5 or 6 years at the club it was very rare he had an extended stretch leading the line as the main CF.

 

[beedoubleyou]

There's absolutley no stench of ex-Liverpool players trying to be a mischievous outside influence. Zero. None at all.

 

[Cassidy]

Jose also didnt want to play Daniel Sturridge through the middle and the label stuck with him at Chelsea, good thing he made the move to Liverpool.
Rashford just isn't a Jose type striker thats the issue really. However long term he could still get the role at the club, would be good if he could have gone on loan and played as a no 9 week in week out, but we need him in our squad.

EDIT: Not Jose, but Chelsea re Sturridge.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Is he ever going to develop the goalscoring prowess for a club intent on winning the highest honours? I just don’t think he’s got it. You can usually tell from a young age if a player is going to be a 25-30 goal a season striker (which is what we require), Rashford has never looked like that player.

I think unless he is playing week-in and week-out as the main striker, we will never know that.
But yes, I hope that he could go to around 15 goals every season in league if he is playing backup.

 

[Pexbo]

Jose also didnt want to play Daniel Sturridge through the middle and the label stuck with him at Chelsea, good thing he made the move to Liverpool.

Cool story!

Sturridge first signed for Chelsea in 2009.
Mourinho first left Chelsea in 2007.

Sturridge left Chelsea for Liverpool in January 2013.
Mourinho rejoined Chelsea in June 2013.


You basically made up a load of shite because it fit your agenda.