Apart from 2-3 figures in the squad, as De Gea and Martial, I won't be bothered if we fecked off every one now.
Mourinho tells Paul Pogba he'll never captain Manchester United again
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Apart from 2-3 figures in the squad, as De Gea and Martial, I won't be bothered if we fecked off every one now.
Yeah but then you're talking about nothing but yes-men and I'm not a fan of those, and I don't think it's what you want unless you have an incredible leader like Sir Alex who was a coach capable of handling his players in a malleable way, not a hard-line one like Mourinho since it clearly seems to not be responding with the team in general.
Sell Pogba and say "no player is bigger than the manager". Then sack Jose because he's not the right man for the job.
I forgot he fell out with Ronaldo, dearth me. What an idiot the guy is.
I don't care for either one, to be honest. Sell Pogba and sack Mourinho.
I think most managers would be annoyed with Pogba, I have always been. Both at Juve, the French NT and at Utd. Just so careless and immature at times.
I think most managers would be annoyed with Pogba, I have always been. Both at Juve, the French NT and at Utd. Just so careless and immature at times.
He'll be off anyways, thanks to the incredible job Mourinho has done over the last 3 years managing his development.
Personally I'm willing to give Pogba the benefit if the doubt here, he has never looked comfortable under Jose, and imo just wants to see us/him play better, if he continues this stuff under a new manager then fair enough, he's a waste of time, until then though I'll stick with him.
I am on Pogba's side. I have some distant hope that a more progessive manager will come next and they will hit it off together and he will be happy. Him and Jose are a match made in hell
No issues at Juve? Yeah thats why the United deal was in the works for 2 years before he left Juve. Also its a one team league and winning hides a lot of shit. Not to mention the GOAT was sick of his and his agents nonsense by the end of his first stint here.
Love watching Pogba but he's being a troublemaker. Yes, we could possibly be better off with him than with Mourinho, but what's to stop him criticising the next manager's tactics? This just isn't something that we as a club should tolerate because it undermines the manager's authority, even if the manager is not someone who is popular with many fans right now. Pogba moans about all the chatter in the press but then creates all the drama that fuels the fire.
I just wish we had a fully backed manager, whoever it may be. Plus a tough stance on players who try to undermine their authority. Instead we have this mess where there's now a cloud hanging over the current manager and we've barely begun the season.
I just wish we had a fully backed manager, whoever it may be. Plus a tough stance on players who try to undermine their authority. Instead we have this mess where there's now a cloud hanging over the current manager and we've barely begun the season.
Both signing on at the local dole office the next day thinking "the fcuk you doing here?"
Oh you said sell Pogba.
Then you are in for a shock when he is at the Nou Camp/Bernebeu next season.
There's a big difference between believing the media making up bullshit stories about us wanting to sign Gareth Bale or Ronaldo, and believing the BBC, Times ect about friction between Mourinho and Pogba, a rumour that started a long time ago and has never died. It's obvious Pogba wants out and it's obvious he has an attitude problem. Mourinho doesn't tolerate bad attitudes. Put 2 and 2 together and the outcome is just as obvious.
Not really - only from the point of view of the outside world. Keep everything in-house.
Players had arguments behind closed doors with Fergie too lets not forget. I think it was Rio who spoke about it, mentioned how no matter how loud you got Fergie would be louder and would make you feel small. There has to be a respect there and going public isn't respectful.
What has that got to do with anything? Your clearly either Anti Jose or Pro Pogba and can't look at this whole embarrassing situation objectively.
If I undermine my manager at work because I don't like him or agree with his methods it doesn't automatically mean I'll undermine my manager of my Sunday league team.
Oh, I'm not blaming Mourinho for doing what he did, it's the only way to save his authority in the locker room and I think he is justified in doing so. That being said, I side with Pogba simply because I agree with his sentiment and I know he's not a trouble-making guy. So the fact that he making trouble says to me there is something really wrong with this team, and the fact is if you read his quote at face value, it's very hard to disagree with anything he's said, and I would bet his teammates feel the same way.
Pogba has no history of creating drama and causing unrest in teams, Mourinho does.
Ah, I misunderstood you. I thought you had an issue whether they would do so privately or publicly, I can agree with you there.
Sell Pogba and sack Jose and say no one is bigger than the club. Pogba can wonder if he is bigger than Jose in his next club.
Yep, well said.
just because Pogba feels that way, doesn’t mean he should completely undermine his manager in the press, let alone when you captain the club. It’s ridiculously unprofessional and unproductive. Childish.
An article/rumor without facts or quotes, and it’s all over the internet. Fantastic, says everything about modern journalism and people in general. A rumor used to be someone important saying something to someone he shouldn’t talk to - in 2018 it’s someone not knowing anything lying and making up stuff without consequences.
That is my point exactly. He already cast his stone for France, theres no Raiola nonsense and theres no angling for more money and transfer to the next stop. He has his head firmly on his game at France. How anyone thinks this is Joses fault is beyond me.
Jose confirmed he took the VC away from Pogba.
I would think it’s more likely he wants Jose gone rather than him just wanting out. Would imagine he’d like nothing more than to be a success here to show United what a big mistake they made when they let him go the first time.
Mou's acknowledged it already. Get real.
...I'm confused. You know this has been confirmed?
Fergie never wanted Pogba to leave. He told Erva to talk to Pogba. It was Raiola that Fergie didn't like
Mourinho didn't tell why but it doesn't take a genius to know why.
Well reports say he was stripped of his captaincy because he talked about quitting the club and offended club staff playing loud music on the team bus. The saga is on.
Respect is earned though.
Jose has not done anything in his current job to earn any.
If you are unbiased you say two things. First ideally players should never target the manager's attitude, tactics and training sessions. Secondly players rarely do that, the rare times when it happens it's at the end of a process where after expressing their opinions in private, they are fed up and the captain being their representative he is the most likely to do it.
Yeah thats why he started Phil Jones and Fabio DaSilva in CM when all our midfielders were out. The point is his attitude was wrong then and its wrong now. Raiola only exacerbates the issue.
I'm trying to think of another time a manager has publically done this and can't think of a time. There must be others, right?
Sorry but there is evidence even in this thread that he does in fact cause drama, teaming up with his lovely agent. @JK-27 put it well...
Delete your post now while you still can oh high school, those were great times!Seriously thinking I picked a wrong career. Should have went into football journalism. Just need make shit up and add 'sources have told' or ' x is understood to have said that'. They're taking the piss.
Third season melt down in full flow.
Is this all looking similar to Mourinho’s 15/16 season with Chelsea?
Says a lot about the state of things when most fans want both gone and to start fresh
Pretty much resigned to seeing Pogba go by the end of the season now. Probably best for him to be showboating in a Juve or Barca shirt, it's a hard slog at United.
There was a 15/16 season? I've "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless minded" that particular season so don't know what you are talking about.
What is Mourinho even saying? No beef? Not that anyone will believe it, but if that’s true, it makes it even more laughable to create unnecessary drama. It’s like a competition between who can act more of a dickhead each day.
Not that anyone will believe it, but if that’s true, it makes it even more laughable to create unnecessary drama. It’s like a competition between who can act more of a dickhead each day.