Mourinho: 'I think that some care more than others'

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Legit quote from the presser today. Here we have the manager himself openly and publically stating that some players care more about the results than others. This correlates with 'suggested' reports that there are splits in the dressingroom. As fans of this great club, how does it feel to know that there is squad exsisting of players who arent equally committed to achieve good results.

Imagine being a player stepping on the pitch with a United shirt on and not caring about the result. That is quite a toxic mindset to have to say the least (regardless of the player management of the manager).


Feel free to have a go... or not..

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2:20-03:00, could these be the players that care 'more' then others? I just found it interesting the way Mourinho stood with them (Lukaku, Matic, Smalling, Fellaini and Shaw).
 
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He is absolutely right to call out some of the players, they are so god damn lucky that most of our supporters are busy slating Mourinho for every little thing out there
 
Its been obvious for the last 4 years that this has been the case.
Wait until the new manager come in to see everybody suddenly perk up then slip back down to neutral again.
 
The players won't give 100% if they don't believe in what the manager is training them to do. When I look at other teams I see them well organized, cohesive and pulling in the same direction. We chop and change our line up and never give confidence for players to express themselves. It's normal if some players try less in such an environment.
 
Which players exactly cared on Saturday? No rhetorical question. Let's actually name them
 
abdo99 said:
The players won't give 100% if they don't believe in what the manager is training them to do. When I look at other teams I see them well organized, cohesive and pulling in the same direction. We chop and change our line up and never give confidence for players to express themselves. It's normal if some players try less in such an environment.
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I hear what you are saying, but an often used phrase is that the club is bigger then everybody. From that perspective, shouldnt any player commit to the best of his ability whenever he steps on the pitch?
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
legit quote from the presser today. Here we have the manager himself openly and publically stating that some players care more about the results then others. This correlates with 'suggested' reports that there are splits in the dressingroom. As fans of this great club, how does it feel to know that there is squad exsisting of players who arent equally committed to achieve good results.

Feel free to have a go... or not..
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Just like every other cocking thread in the United forum the replies will belong in three categories.

a) Disgraceful. Lazy overpaid bastards. No wonder Mourinho wants to sign better players. Woodward is such a cock for not letting him.
b) I blame Mourinho. It's the managers job to inspire the players so it's on him if they're not all pulling in the same direction.
c) Disgraceful. Lazy overpaid bastards. Mourinho is such a cock for signing them. And don't me started on that useless ham-faced wanker, Woodward...
 
As much as I wanted him in change, these quotes are starting to become more and more tiresome. Cryptic one liners aimed at people who he thinks will what? Stand up and deliver or think feck it? And what if it’s option 2? Drop them? For who? Just has all the hallmarks of a capitulation within a short space of time.

Sorry. Train’s late and I’m annoyed. Rant over.
 
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Too many average players are too comfortable here.

The likes of Young, Jones, Valencia and even Smalling and Herrera to a lesser extent wouldn't get near other so called top sides yet here they not only get near the squad but they play a damn lot too.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Happened to Moyes and LVG as well
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With a different set of players. Unless again you guys think the trouble makers are De Gea, Valencia, Young and co. (All of who'm consistently are among his favourites)

Seems to consistently happen to Mourinho. 3 different clubs and 3 sets of players
 
abdo99 said:
The players won't give 100% if they don't believe in what the manager is training them to do. When I look at other teams I see them well organized, cohesive and pulling in the same direction. We chop and change our line up and never give confidence for players to express themselves. It's normal if some players try less in such an environment.
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So players should stop trying if they dont agree with the coach, and you have no problem with it?
 
What about Mourinho himself, does he care ?
He also said in response to a question that he thinks all the players are giving their best efforts to his knowledge, so that kind of contradicts his other statement.
 
Need to get Keano in as interim manager until the end of the season. The players will be begging for Jose to come back soon enough.
 
Greck said:
Which players exactly cared on Saturday? No rhetorical question. Let's actually name them
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Martial plays like he doesn't really want to be there.

However there are players who are no longer(or are) Utd standard: Young( good servant but way past his best), Fellaini-never been anything special,McTominay isn't good enough. that's our midfield right there that you could drive a bus right through. Our CBs lack leaders. Our forward line is skilful but has no clear direction. They get castigated for mistakes.

I'd be pissed off and not try if my employer highlighted every mistake I made
 
shaky said:
Need to get Keano in as interim manager until the end of the season. The players will be begging for Jose to come back soon enough.
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We need keano in the dressing room, as he'd stamp on Mourinhos face within 24 hours of being there.
 
At the end it's our club who is made to look like a joke. Feck the players, feck jose and for sure feck our board. Our club is in such a mess that just having zidane won't solve a thing.
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
I hear what you are saying, but an often used phrase is that the club is bigger then everybody. From that perspective, shouldnt any player commit to the best of his ability whenever he steps on the pitch?
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It's not that simple anymore. All teams are good on the ball and play with composure these days. Even championship teams. I don't believe the players deliberately want to lose games but it's easy to doubt the tactics subconsciously in your mind if we keep getting outplayed by lesser teams. Either way it's the managers job to motivate the players, find their strengths and get them playing and what we see on the pitch is the result of what they prepare in training all week.
 
abdo99 said:
It's not that simple anymore. All teams are good on the ball and play with composure these days. Even championship teams. I don't believe the players deliberately want to lose games but it's easy to doubt the tactics subconsciously in your mind if we keep getting outplayed by lesser teams. Either way it's the managers job to motivate the players, find their strengths and get them playing and what we see on the pitch is the result of what they prepare in training all week.
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You think they train all week to play the sort of organic football we are witnessing?
 
It happens all the time when the manager loses the dressing room. All this “playing for the shirt” stuff is such nonsense, it’s never that simple.
 
abdo99 said:
The players won't give 100% if they don't believe in what the manager is training them to do. When I look at other teams I see them well organized, cohesive and pulling in the same direction. We chop and change our line up and never give confidence for players to express themselves. It's normal if some players try less in such an environment.
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Kind of agree that save for the perma malcontents like Martial. But think guys like Rashford and Andreas should be given chances especially given the state we are in. To fight for a place knowing he has favourites and undroppables would be frustrating.
 
So he needs to either motivate or sideline them. Calling them out in a press conference will do feck all.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
Too many average players are too comfortable here.

The likes of Young, Jones, Valencia and even Smalling and Herrera to a lesser extent wouldn't get near other so called top sides yet here they not only get near the squad but they play a damn lot too.
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Harsh on Young, Smalling and Herrera. Those are three players that at least seem to get what it means to play for United and do commit and put in the effort. They're not amazing players but they're good enough to be a part of the squad. Average players who actually give a shit are worth more than good players that don't
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
legit quote from the presser today. Here we have the manager himself openly and publically stating that some players care more about the results then others. This correlates with 'suggested' reports that there are splits in the dressingroom. As fans of this great club, how does it feel to know that there is squad exsisting of players who arent equally committed to achieve good results.

Imagine being a player stepping on the pitch with a United shirt on and not caring about the result. That is quite a toxic mindset to have to say the least (regardless of the player management of the manager).


Feel free to have a go... or not..
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Coming rich from Jose, he doesn't care about the performance either when it was awful to watch, take Brighton games in FA cup, for example, we never deserved wins when we only scored 2 goals out of 2 shots on target, he says it's so wonderful. There are many games we grinding out but never look like the best, now he's on 3 seasons with us but still not look better. If he cares about the performance than a result, It's time that he should play nice football. Cardiff, Wolves, West Ham outclassed us.
 
abdo99 said:
It's not that simple anymore. All teams are good on the ball and play with composure these days. Even championship teams. I don't believe the players deliberately want to lose games but it's easy to doubt the tactics subconsciously in your mind if we keep getting outplayed by lesser teams. Either way it's the managers job to motivate the players, find their strengths and get them playing and what we see on the pitch is the result of what they prepare in training all week.
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Agree, but what if the squad just isnt good enough to play a consistent attacking game plan? The report of the manager not getting 'his players' doesnt help too. I also agree that a manager should play a system which suits the qualities of the team to such an extent that there is a certain 'identity'. That has been missing for years at United. The problem has multiple layers but the minimum as Ferdinand stated recently is effort and hard work at the pitch.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
You think they train all week to play the sort of organic football we are witnessing?
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Well we've been watching them play this football for a long time and if the manager doesn't like it he would've changed something. But probably doesn't know how to.
 
Does he care in the first place? Coasting on a 15 million salary while having us in 10th with no semblance of an identity or system..

He isn't wrong though. But pot. Kettle.

Inigo Montoya said:
You think they train all week to play the sort of organic football we are witnessing?
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I'd hate to see us play if we don't train then.:lol:
 
Kapardin said:
Does he care in the first place? Coasting on a 15 million salary while having us in 10th with no semblance of an identity or system..

He isn't wrong though. But pot. Kettle.
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Nope. It's why he spent most of autumn Christmas last season playing the media to get himself a new contract. You know exactly where his priorities lie.
 
abdo99 said:
Well we've been watching them play this football for a long time and if the manager doesn't like it he would've changed something. But probably doesn't know how to.
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That's the key right there: 'He doesn't know how to.' It's outdated football and man management
 
I think it's like the Pogba quote about attacking, not necessarily wrong (pretty sure yeah some care more than others) but it's foolish to say clearly and doesn't help anyone.
 
LazyRed-Ninja said:
legit quote from the presser today. Here we have the manager himself openly and publically stating that some players care more about the results then others. This correlates with 'suggested' reports that there are splits in the dressingroom. As fans of this great club, how does it feel to know that there is squad exsisting of players who arent equally committed to achieve good results.

Imagine being a player stepping on the pitch with a United shirt on and not caring about the result. That is quite a toxic mindset to have to say the least (regardless of the player management of the manager).


Feel free to have a go... or not..
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Well, it’s quite disheartening to read pal.

This seems to be the environment that José is after creating. We have players (Pogba & Martial most likely) disillusioned with the management and demotivated. I fully agree that when a player crosses the white line, he should be giving 110 % for the club, the fans and his teammates though. I’d probably have to peg it down to human nature to try and understand why certain players aren’t putting in maximum effort.

It’s not a great quote to be stemming from a press conference 24 hours before a crucial Champions League match. I wonder who he’s talking about! I think Martial and Pogba due to the history and Matič came out today seeming to endorse what José is saying. Mourinho also was somewhat complimentary of Luke Shaw today & McTominany last weekend. Young & Fellaini seems to be two of his generals and one thing you can’t fault Lukaku on is his work rate & desire to win.

So, who else is there from West Ham? Smalling? Lindelöf maybe.
 
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LazyRed-Ninja said:
Agree, but what if the squad just isnt good enough to play a consistent attacking game plan? The report of the manager not getting 'his players' doesnt help too. I also agree that a manager should play a system which suits the qualities of the team to such an extent that there is a certain 'identity'. That has been missing for years at United. The problem has multiple layers but the minimum as Ferdinand stated recently is effort and hard work at the pitch.
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Of course the minimum is hard work and effort but coaching is even more important and plenty of times I've seen us play terrible football and grind out the result. You can only play like that for so long before the results stop coming. Regarding if we have the squad or not, well I don't think we have the best in the PL but those players are definitely better than what we are currently seeing. It just comes down to coaching. Manager asked for centre back but would it suddenly have transformed us into this formidable attacking team? Probably not.
 
Kapardin said:
Does he care in the first place? Coasting on a 15 million salary while having us in 10th with no semblance of an identity or system..

He isn't wrong though. But pot. Kettle.



I'd hate to see us play if we don't train then.:lol:
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Part of that, well a huge part of that lies with the board and their appointment and hasty sacking of Moyes. They returned to the bad old days of the 70s with poor appointments,signings and sackings.
It needed the foresight of Edwards to appoint Fergie knowing there was a long term plan. I don't know if we have anyone who's capable of making that decision now
 
IrishGlen said:
Well, it’s quite disheartening to read pal.

This seems to be the environment that José is after creating. We have players (Pogba & Martial most likely) disillusioned with the management and demotivated. I fully agree that when a player crosses the white line, he should be giving 110 % for the club, the fans and his teammates though. I’d probably have to peg it down to human nature to try and understand why certain players aren’t putting in maximum effort.

It’s not a great quote to be stemming from a press conference 24 hours before a crucial Champions League match. I wonder who he’s talking about! I think Martial and Pogba due to the history and Matič came out today seeming to endorse what José is saying. Mourinho also was somewhat complimentary of Luke Shaw today & McTominany last weekend. Young & Fellaini seems to be two of his generals and one thing you can’t fault Lukaku on is his work rate & desire to win.

So, who else is there from West Ham? Smalling? Lindelöf maybe.
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It's funny as only last week he was praising Pogba's attitude in training. Surely it can't be him then?
 
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