Nar, everyone knew & it was mentioned alot, along with the problems that it would cause Gilbratar, thing is, the majority of England & Wales couldn’t give a feck about Ireland & Gilbratar, sad but true.
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Nar, everyone knew & it was mentioned alot, along with the problems that it would cause Gilbratar, thing is, the majority of England & Wales couldn’t give a feck about Ireland & Gilbratar, sad but true.
This is the bit I'm unsure of. There definitely won't be customs/border checks for Irish/UK citizens as that goes against the CTA but I'm unsure how they'll separate the people on those flights from Ireland to UK who are neither Irish/British. I reckon it might be a case of there being a separate queue for Irish/UK passports at arrivals.
ERG members try to block police led ban on high-powered military-grade rifles, you know, the ones that can stop (destroy) a truck from over one mile away 
"ERG" for those that were wondering, are the "European Research Group" – sounds pro remain but they are in fact Hard BREXIT faction of leavers who have business interests that will flourish if Britain comes out of the EU.
I'll leave it up to you to judge who has the country's best interests at heart:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-embarrass-may-over-high-powered-rifles-ban
"ERG" for those that were wondering, are the "European Research Group" – sounds pro remain but they are in fact Hard BREXIT faction of leavers who have business interests that will flourish if Britain comes out of the EU.
I'll leave it up to you to judge who has the country's best interests at heart:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-embarrass-may-over-high-powered-rifles-ban
The CTA is non binding, anything can happen depending on the nature of the deal or no-deal.
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Of course, but as it was brought in prior to either country joining the European Union and Tories giving assurances on numerous occasions that it'll remain in place regardless of the outcome makes me think it's unlikely to disappear over night.
"After March 2019 if there is no deal
If you are an Irish citizen you would continue to have the right to enter and remain in the UK, as now. You are not required to do anything to protect your status."
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...and-irish-citizens-if-there-is-no-brexit-deal
I will simply repeat it, anything can happen depending on the nature of the deal or no-deal. You know perfectly well that you can't trust politicians when they tell you what they are going to do in the future which is exactly what that notice do.
It would be hugely detrimental to them to not continue with it though. Not only does it create huge tensions between the two governments, it forces thousands of UK citiziens to leave their jobs/lives in Ireland. I think this government are a bunch of feckwits but I don't think they're stupid enough to mess with the CTA.
We'll see what happens though.
Wow.
Now talking about delusion...
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...e-constructive-since-soviet-brexit-comparison
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...e-constructive-since-soviet-brexit-comparison
I meant to quote this earlier and laugh. Amazing suggestion.ERG members try to block police led ban on high-powered military-grade rifles, you know, the ones that can stop (destroy) a truck from over one mile away
"ERG" for those that were wondering, are the "European Research Group" – sounds pro remain but they are in fact Hard BREXIT faction of leavers who have business interests that will flourish if Britain comes out of the EU.
I'll leave it up to you to judge who has the country's best interests at heart:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-embarrass-may-over-high-powered-rifles-ban
And there's that name Kate Hoey again. Why don't the lot of them just feck off and join UKIP?
Because they all need a pension before they feck off to retire in Spain and live off their share earnings.
Barnier on France Inter Radio this am
"But Brexit can’t be soft. It has innumerable consequences. It was chosen by the British. Were they well informed at the time they voted? They were not told all the consequences - even Mr Farage recognised that everything was not spelt out in the campaign."
- Barnier said that getting a Brexit deal was “possible” but would be “difficult”. He said the withdrawal agreement deal was 90% complete, but that it could still fail over the Irish border. He said:
- He said he hoped to conclude a deal “in a few weeks or a few months, as soon as possible”.
- He said the Irish border deal could block the entire deal. Asked if the deal could fail over this issue, he replied: “My answer is yes.”
- He said he did not know what would happen because the British political situation was so “complex”. Asked if he was convinced a deal would be done, he replied:
- He said a no deal Brexit would be “would be very serious, very difficult for all of us in the EU but much more grave for Britain”.
- He claimed that even Nigel Farage, the former Ukip leader, could not say how Brexit would bring actual benefits to the people who voted for it. He said:
- He claimed the British did not know all the consequences when they chose Brexit. He said:
"But Brexit can’t be soft. It has innumerable consequences. It was chosen by the British. Were they well informed at the time they voted? They were not told all the consequences - even Mr Farage recognised that everything was not spelt out in the campaign."
Trying to select which of these politicians is the most moronic is a difficult choice.
And what about those people driving or walking over the border into NI after freely entering ROI due to EU citizenship? Airports and Ports are easy to deal with - it's on the ground the problems start.
Are you a real person?
I wake up early here and spend my whole morning shaking my head at Trump's overnight unstatesmanlike approach to the impending inevitable apocalypse. Come mid-day I have very little loathing left in my body to attempt to comment on the latest BREXIT farce.
It's something I realise I'm going to have to address … we all need to do our part!
EIRE32.
Not sure if that is a solution for right now though is it. I love how typically people always argue that it is NI, ROI and/or the GFA that needs to change dramatically rather than the idiots who got us into this mess. It's almost like they don't care at all about what happens here right?
I'm disappointed there's no popular satire shows anymore. This entire thing is like one big soap opera.
May is either going to have to purposefully damage the country to stay in power or she's going to have to become a traitor to her party and get Labour to vote with her. Whether Labour would is the question.
May is either going to have to purposefully damage the country to stay in power or she's going to have to become a traitor to her party and get Labour to vote with her. Whether Labour would is the question.
Peston's conclusion is Customs Union Brexit or No Deal. Terrifying.
It's always been that, if the UK leaves the CU there's no deal. We knew that before the referendum.
A vote ultimately doesn't really work because it's a misunderstanding of what it is - you're either voting for a deal or...nothing. Which is inherently stupid. At this point staying in the single market is clearly the only sensible option.
Isn't it illegal for us to stay in the single market?
No, there's non-EU members in the single market. It's the faux-brexit option.
Thought it was, as part of the many ERG amendments that passed in June.
The only reason I'm not excited about another vote is that I'm far from convinced this country would vote to stop this madness.
the brexit laws are effectively worthless because they can be changed over a day or two
Staying in the Customs Union is the most important, without it you don't solve NI and therefore there is no deal.
Listening to British news reporting drives me insane. Even Remainers keep going on about Norway.
The UK is sleepwalking to disaster.
You could have three options -
1. Stay in EU (despite Art 50, I’m sure the EU would agree to this, perhaps with the rebate scrapped)
2. May’s deal (assuming there is one)
3. Reject May’s deal and just leave
Voters would be asked to rank them 1-3 in terms of preference. The winner would be based on the number of first and second preferences.
It would obviously not heal divisions in tbe country but would at least clarify just how badly and at what price the voters want to leave. By contrast, the 2016 vote was based on the lie of having your cake and eat it.
This would be ideal, but the problem is obtaining clarification on option one. I can't see a majority for that if it's just a blank cheque. Would the EU allow us back at all? Many people would want to know about the rebate first, and possibly most important, would the EU treat us as a new member and make joining the Euro a requirement? Would the EU be prepared to hold a summit and vote on the terms before a referendum? I suspect not, and people 'being sure' wouldn't be enough for many voters, option one wouldn't win.
We probably dont have time for that unless we revoke article 50.
Okay, here is another take: The problems with the borders and NI arise only if UK changes its laws (for people or goods). Right now, UK has the same laws as the rest of the EU on many issues.
Assume the following:
1. UK leaves EU in March, without a deal, but it does not change any of its laws. Ie. UK effectively still conforms to EU laws, taxes, and so on.
2. Later in 2019, UK holds a new referendum, about re-joining the EU or creating hard borders. Hopefully, people will be more informed then.
3. If rejoining wins, it applies again to the EU. If hard borders wins, well... good luck!
Is this practical?
Assume the following:
1. UK leaves EU in March, without a deal, but it does not change any of its laws. Ie. UK effectively still conforms to EU laws, taxes, and so on.
2. Later in 2019, UK holds a new referendum, about re-joining the EU or creating hard borders. Hopefully, people will be more informed then.
3. If rejoining wins, it applies again to the EU. If hard borders wins, well... good luck!
Is this practical?
But that wouldn't be a no deal scenario because to still follow the laws the UK would need to retain freedom of movement. It makes no sense. What you're suggesting in #1 is a soft Brexit, not no deal.
But if the UK does not change any of its laws then how will anything change? Are there any definite plans to change any particular laws right now? Can't it wait a few more months?
A "deal" means that the UK will have agreed to not change anything for xxx number of years, it is very different.
So if Mexico decide that they're going to allow free movement into the US, that'd be good right?
No, you need a contract aka a deal.
Really?
If there is no deal, on April 2 2019, will a German national be able to fly to London? Or he will be stopped at the airport and turned back?
As I understand it, if there is no deal, everything continues as it is now until either the UK or the EU countries changes some laws, impose some travel restrictions, or impose customs duties and so on.
Anyone else think the NHS will be gone in a few years?
Today, he would be a foreigner and will have no right to enter the territory.