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Nope. Career > national interest.
Yes but the 1829 Act would be unlawful today by virtue of the Human Rights Act. Most likely it wouldn't be enforced, rather than a case be brought and challenged. The 1998 Act could be seen as impliedly repealing the 1829 Act.
Gove has turned down the job of Brexit Secretary, according to the Evening Standard.
Talk of Chris Grayling set to resign now too. No idea if that's because of May's Brexit deal or just because he's completely useless.
No vote was taken. About 10 voiced 'frank' opinions and concerns. Ester McVey was royally bollocked by the Whip. It was then declared as 'collectively approved' and they all had a glass of wine.
Next PM?
JRM has submitted a letter of no confidence.
Actually just on this we have had many Catholic Government Ministers over the past 40 or so years who would have advised the monarch.
And we have had Catholics who were Privy Councillors and the Privy Council does advise the monarch in relation to Orders in Council, so I think the 1829 is ignored in practice.
No, they actually were not really, at least not properly. This part of Brexit was always in the background, if it was mentioned at all. In part I understand that, because economy and safety are simply better sells than the bureaucratic factor, especially if the other side used the bureaucratic nature of EU as one of their biggest selling points.
The Remain campaign and the mass media still really dropped the ball on the topic of informing about the ramifications for the administrative work beginning on the highest level down to the local communities.
This would also not be a UK specific problem. When Brexit first became a topic institutes ran simulations of how leaving the Union would affect the administrative sectors of certain countries, I personally know of ones about Germany, Sweden and Finland. All these countries are frontrunners in terms of bureaucratic efficiency and structure. The results of these simulations were not pretty. At all.
I said this once already in this thread over a year ago, but Brexit is the single most daunting bureaucratic undertaking a modern Western democracy has ever faced.
It makes the German Reunification, which resulted in over 15 Mil. people having to adapt to new laws and tons of regulations for every part of their lives, look like child´s play and this event caused chaos on the administrive level for about two years, took seven or so years to be smoothed out for the most part and creates even now, nearly 30 years later, still after effects. Brexit involves more people and instead of adapting to already existing law, it will often need to be build from the ground up.
There is no single bureaucracy in the world that would be equipped to deal with this in a decent manner. The scale is just too great and the timeframe too narrow. This problem can´t also be solved solely by money either. What the UK Administration needs the most is time, time to bring in more people and educate them properly, but they also need to know what they have to prepare for. From my experience as educator and instructor, five years would be a fair estimation.
The UK government needs to secure a transitional deal that gives them time, but also includes a clear commitment down the line they can work towards to and prepare for, whatever this commitment would look like.
This would at least soften the blow of the bureaucratic aspect and one of the major challenges that Brexit represents. The economical fall out and safety issues are completely different (and in some parts even conflicting) challenges.
I think that’s his gameplan, yes.
What? More information is ideally how politics should be. Informed decisions...
No I don't but I also think the people who voted remain also had no idea what they were voting for other than keeping things the same. The problems I have with the informed argument is that
1)It's a argument that always stops at certain point and goes no further(Which is why it's such as ill effect political move). Yes we can talk about how much damage a no deal Brexit will do, yes we can show how there's no border tech to fix the NL problem etc but we are doing this in a world where only 10 years ago the ''experts'' made one of the biggest financial crashes all of time and not only got away with it but profited from it, that leave voters are racists bigots(Yes a lot are)and yet the union they decided to leave is one that watches brown people drown in the sea and finally we live in economic system that is literally killing the earth.
My point being the facts we live by in our day to day lives are completely irrational.
2)It fundamentally misunderstand the way politics functions which is a battle between social and economic classes. The reasons Brexit happened was not because of a mis informed public but decades of long anti immigration rhetoric, a economic policy that has destroyed the country, a political ideology that killed the idea of meaningful democracy(This ideology was literally based on the idea of ''experts'' and facts'') imperialist history, racism etc. A 100 page document of why there's no fixed solution to the border NL will be just that. Fact & statics are of course important but they have to act as a part of a wider story. The failure of Remain to keep UK in the EU is testament to this failure of a wider story.
chatting to his mate Osborn then... no doubt trying to slime his way into the standard backing him (as his wife used her mail column to the same ends...)
Still Im sure george is enjoying watching May struggle (and probably telling people he could have done a better job but knowing in reality he probably couldnt)
All that is missing is a Trump tweet.
I agree that it’s because Of years of anti Europe rhetoric but those politicians and parties aren’t going to admit that even for the sake of the country
Therefore imho it should be clearly laid out what the pros and cons are and the potential knock on effects
If Boris or Mogg becomes PM I will go outside and shout at some clouds.
Time for a GE on the issue of Brexit. The time has come for the Lib Dems to rise like a Phoenix from the flames as the only remain party.
Time is up for political charlatans like Corbyn and the Tories.
Time is up for political charlatans like Corbyn and the Tories.
Irony of ironies if he goes due to this and not the 4000 times he has fecked up due to his incompetence.
It is only Corbyn that is the issue. Even McDonnell would provide a remain option.
I think most Brexiters still won't admit they were wrong even under the worst of circumstances, it will become an us v them mentality and they will say the EU is doing everything to punish us.
I agree that there has to something a bit more detailed. The only two choices being Leave Or Remain in the last referendum was one of the most stupidest idea imaginable.
Id like to see blair head up a new remain party - mainly to see the corbynistas moan about it when he won
It is very unlikley there will be a new conservative leader because of the split in the party. Theresa may needs I think only 156 to win the no confidence vote and she can't be challenged for another year.
The majority of the conservatives do not support Brexit so they will not support the ERG in getting rid of the leader.
The impasse in parliament can only be solved by a general election so if Labour gets that they should go against the government and back a peoples vote, get into power and have a way out of Brexit.
Brexit has absolutely destroyed the Conservatives for a generation to come! It's so beautiful to watch!
this would be a great soap opera if the implications weren't so bad.
I'll say one thing for Moggy, and only one thing because I usually disagree with him, which is that when he's asked a question he nearly always answers it directly and clearly. Quite unusual for a politician.
They surely would not have put the letter of no confidence in if they were not certain of getting the numbers.
JRM just listed all the Tory personal capable of a "good brexit" that could replace May.
How the feck does anyone take these people serious? Say "change the policy not the person", "she has our full confidence" 10 times a day for 2 years and now 4 months to brexit he comes up with "loads" of people capable of better.
I really really hope his children will one day recognize what a utter little prick he is.
How the feck does anyone take these people serious? Say "change the policy not the person", "she has our full confidence" 10 times a day for 2 years and now 4 months to brexit he comes up with "loads" of people capable of better.
I really really hope his children will one day recognize what a utter little prick he is.
Kinell.
Sir Graham Brady: "Look you lot to force a vote of no confidence I need 48 letters, I only have 47"
Scaled hand appears clutching a letter, vertical eyelids blink, tongue darts out of mouth,
Gove: "Will this do Graham"
Scaled hand appears clutching a letter, vertical eyelids blink, tongue darts out of mouth,
Gove: "Will this do Graham"
yes and no - if she is defeted in the party confidence vote that is corrent...
if however she is defeted in the commons she then has i believe 14 days to win a commons majority or resign - if she resigns again it does not trigger a GE but allows the conservatives to elect a leader who can command a commons majority (which if just appointed by the party and hardline enough for the DUP that shouldnt be a problem)... hence some of the ERG want to take her down in the vote in the commons - I think the vote before is basically to drag it out and make it clear to her she cant win the commons vote so she would be better off leaving on her own terms with as much pride as she can muster
so thats basically him officially standing for leader then
You often speak about people that admire Corbyn in a deflammitory manner. It's pretty sad really. I think that throughout all the years I've followed politics it has seemed to be that we have waited for a politician to be honest and open and clearly hold the wants of their constituents above his or her own agendas.
It's funny because Corbyn could have already elevated himself to be very close to Downing street had he chosen to lie but even when severely pressed by journalists he would always tell the truth and then he gets lambasted for it.
Each up their own like, that's democracy for you, but the snide comments just make the commenter look sad to be honest.
What an absolute farce... and they think they will be able to deliver something that doesn't royally feck everything up.
Also, Mogg is a cnut.
Also, Mogg is a cnut.
If Mogg or Boris become PM I reckon the rest of us pay for a wall to be built around Britain and just leave ye to your own devices for a couple of decades. A Britain under either of their leadership has nothing good to offer the world.