Yeah - can't speak for anyone else, but Avram Grant buying United would be the last straw for me.
The Saudi Takeover Rumor Thread
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Nope, the Saudi royal family are close to being as bad as you can get in the world today. Google Jamal Khashoggi, for the most recent example.
That might bring the "Mourinho out!" lobby on side I guess...
Avram Grant isn't such a bad proposition all things considered. Surely he's preferable to the evil Saudi regime.
Why do I secretly want this, even though I know its not particularly a good sign
This is a regime that Manchester United are effectively supporting through their strategic partnership.
I wonder what all those Manchester Utd fans who have complained about one of Manchester City's owners being linked to the U.A.E think about this?
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/manchester-united-agree-strategic-partnership-in-saudi-arabia
If we wanna talk about ethics and morals, ie values beyond football as a game, then i'm afraid its kinda hypocritical given USA is the biggest ally of S.A. Football isnt the simple game like it previously was. It grew into a comercial jugglenaut with worldwide appeal due to our successes and along came the political elements. This is modern football. Accept or go support a smaller club. I want our club to continue winning so i can enjoy our games. I can't be bothered whether the owners are Arab, Jews, Americans or Asians so long there are long term stability and the club keeps most of its original fabric.
Cheers.That's a good point. Welcome to the forum you fecking bitter.
What response are you hoping to get out of me here?
That there isn’t a clear difference between being a sponsor and being the outright owners of the club?
That I actually give a toss what you or any other fans think about my views on United’s ownership, City’s ownership and the Saudi royal family?
Whichever one you wanted, here you go. You’ll get both.
Yes you can, you can at least protest, and you can always leave the country if you feel it is not working, if you feel you are paying criminals of a government and move elsewhere, specially for Americans and British who have very nice alternatives in English speaking peaceful countries like Canada and New zealand and even Australia to move to.
My point is, you wont leave your home country because you love it, even though you hate the government and pay taxes to it. Why shouldn't the same analogy apply on a fecking football club, you continue love your club and support it even if the owners are shit ???
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Yeah you can choose not to pay your taxes but unless you're very rich theres not much chance of getting away with it.
How so strongly worded letters to your local MP? Placards outside government buildings?
I wouldn't say everyone loves it, whether or not people love living their country of birth. But most can't move because of commitments to family, friends and their careers. That doesn't make them hypocrites for not upping sticks, changing jobs relocating their entire families half way across the world. Not everyone will have the job skills to move somewhere else and their families be better off.
Also which countries are they moving to that have never been involved in foreign wars or other shady clandestine shit? Of these countries which have straight forward immigration policies that would allow someone to move their entire family and also provide a comparable standard of living?
For the record i've never said i would stop supporting United or said others should, but i find this is such a weird argument to even make.
I still don’t think this will happen, but it’s far from the most outlandish idea I’ve seen on here.
Can’t see anything reputable in this takeover story.
I’m exactly the same mate. Anything for change maybe. Maybe thinking more funds for transfers?
feck knows, I hate the glazers and would like change but this is probably from bad to worse.
Seems trying to get rich fecks on board isn't my strong suit. This tweet got no traction whatsoever.
I had me season tickets when the Glazers took over, I remember when we lost a core set of supporters to FC of Manchester around 2005/06. Then the LUHG campaign in 2010 and yes Fergie kept us going. If the inevitable does happen I still think we have plenty people who will take those seats at OT.
It's amazing when I look back 10 years ago we were holders of the PL CL and World Champions.
I saw Owen Hargreaves on the bus last week and I was thinking damn he helped us win a CL and PL. Oh how times have changed.
Jesus. How many fecking times is someone going to trot out this shite again? Try reading the thread, where countless people have explained the difference between being owned by nationals of a given country and the de-facto rulers of a country.
I will take being rebranded to Al Trafford home of Manchester el-United if it knocks City off their fricking perch!!!
I’d just be happy with new owners willing to spend money on improving/providing the funds for a new stadium.
We have the finances ourselves to keep competitive in the transfer market.
Certainly better than mediocre owners we have who are only interested in taking money out of the club
We spent the best part of 25 years in the absolute pits, with a car crash of a club, being totally mis-managed and buying players who weren't up to the job. And there across the road and next door and everywhere, were you lot, winning all before and behind you. To be in the same division as you was a result, although we knew deep down, you were the richest club, you bought the best players, you achieved great success this way, Why was everyone else even playing?
Anyway, I went to bed one night and I awoke the next morning to the news that we were now the richest club in the world and had just signed Robinho!
You know the rest, but believe me, when you're watching the likes of Silva or De Bruyne playing for your team, you won't give a flying.... who owns the club.
None of these modern owners are in it because they like football. They're only there for the money, ours included!
Anyway, I went to bed one night and I awoke the next morning to the news that we were now the richest club in the world and had just signed Robinho!
You know the rest, but believe me, when you're watching the likes of Silva or De Bruyne playing for your team, you won't give a flying.... who owns the club.
None of these modern owners are in it because they like football. They're only there for the money, ours included!
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Would it bother all of us on a moral level, big fecking yes.
Are we gradually losing the old and romantic ManUnited, yes.
If some guy with a shitload of cash doesn't come in, are we losing it for good, yes.
If this is what is needed for us to compete with Barca, Madrid, City, Psg, Juve, well hell yes, bring the guys in.
I think there are still people that think this club is still a Busby-Fergie romantic cult. Stop living in the fecking past, we are not in the 60's or 90's anymore. You like that ideea because you grew up with it, that is the sole reason.
Do you want your kids to grow up with an 8th placed Man United waiting for the next Ferguson to appear? Get some sense.
All of you are dreaming of signing class players and stuff like that. Without a huge influx of money we ain't buying shi7 on a stick.
Are we gradually losing the old and romantic ManUnited, yes.
If some guy with a shitload of cash doesn't come in, are we losing it for good, yes.
If this is what is needed for us to compete with Barca, Madrid, City, Psg, Juve, well hell yes, bring the guys in.
I think there are still people that think this club is still a Busby-Fergie romantic cult. Stop living in the fecking past, we are not in the 60's or 90's anymore. You like that ideea because you grew up with it, that is the sole reason.
Do you want your kids to grow up with an 8th placed Man United waiting for the next Ferguson to appear? Get some sense.
All of you are dreaming of signing class players and stuff like that. Without a huge influx of money we ain't buying shi7 on a stick.
I mean, this is just stupid. What you're saying is that it's more important for your kids to grow up with United in 1st than it is to be a decent person and not want to be associated with murderers and evil people. I don't know about you but I'm not 18 anymore, football isn't the most important thing in my life.
As a life long fan it's not just about winning trophies, it's the feeling you get when your players are passionate for the jersey. When your chips are down and you can feel our players fighting to get that last minute goal that's what UTD is about and that what my kids want to see and hopefully there kids.
If we will just throw money at it and have players and managers in and out and bringing in players who you know are 100% just here for money you won't feel what I just described.
You can be sure said posters are also callous a-holes in their work life too.
It's precisely because you came from nothing that you will take success at any price. We have already seen the likes of Cantona, Scholes, Ronaldo come through the club, we're not so desperate for it to accept owners like that. If in 50 years we haven't won so much as a raffle maybe we'll have a different view on it.
I'd suggest actual self made businessmen aren't the best target for a football club takeover anymore. You need inherited wealth with no clue of the value of money.
The way you write, the way you generalize, the lack of respect for others with another opinion, just speaks volumes for this post.
You sound like a wall-streeter who ignorantly believes everyone thinks like him, has the same motives as him and wants exactly the same as him. Without having a larger view on the things behind or the ethical reasons.
Its just "whats the goal, how can we accomplish it fast" and then everything in between does not really matter. It sounds completely hollow to me.
Id definitely not be happy with a chinese bid. What they have started to do on a national level in EU countries for example is buying big institutions like national tele-providers or a greek giant harbour, and then when they sit on these "powers", the governments have a harder time saying no to China in other issues. This could be human or political issues.
Add to that, they even have a rating-system for their citizens giving points/social scores on who in the governments eyes are a good Citizen og not. Very Orwellian. Japan is not the same at all.
Do people think theres a chance this will actually happen or is it just paper talk ?
Yeah. That guy isn't going to drop a quarter of his entire worth buying the club plus another billion on transfers just out of the goodness of his heart. No private businessman would
When the Liverpool supporters make more sense than half the people in this thread.
For all intents and purposes , football is still a game and the premier league is entertainment. When people think being associated with a political regime that openly funds radical terrorism and brazenly murders journalist across the globe is better because we can "compete with city and PSG", It really tells you a lot about their moral standpoint where they don't care for anything and anyone as long as they get entertained.
I have no doubts there are people in these forums who genuinely wouldn't care if we were purchased by the Italian Mafia if it meant they could see the club purchase the next shiny superstar. The absolute clowns.
There is one simple way to explain my feelings on this...
Don't hate the player, hate the game!
The big money game is here whether you like it or not. If you want United to remain on the front foot they need to be in the game.
It's a mutual benefit. We get better players, they get better coverage.
To me saying no to Saudi is like saying no I wont go to the gym even though my wife goes there and keeps commenting on all the ripped guys. She can go with them if she wants to. I'll never join that lot!
This prick is way to busy buying up land with salmon rivers and polluting groundwater to run a crumbling dynasty.
Genuine question, not trying to be confrontational, but is there anyone, either individual, corporation, company or sovereign state, that people would feel comfortable with ( ethically or otherwise ) taking over our club?
We can't slag man city off and then celebrate if the same thing happens here, it would make us look two faced and small time.
This is literally what I was going to say, the only way he does that would be with someone else's money, probably the club's own money. Because that is what anyone that isn't an idiot would do.
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