3:30 - im sure it will be live on bbc parliament and radio 5 liveI'm annoyed i can't watch, she's going to get fecking slaughtered in parlaiment for this
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Do you think she can get a referendum through parliament on those terms though?
They did but I’d imagine a lot of leavers wouldn’t have voted leave if they’d had a glimpse of the shitshow it would become. Putting the actual leaving scenario to the vote seems the fairest thing to do, but that’s not to say it’ll happen. As you say, it depends on what May is likely to agree to.
Given what happened last time, it would be madness to allow the public to choose if one of those options is 'no deal'.
It's the ridiculously arrogant belief that the EU are supposed to need the UK more than the other way round and that the EU would have to cave in to the UK's every whim. It was never going to happen but the Uk government banked on it and now realise that it could never happen and they now have no room for manoeuvre.
I dunno... I am not sure there is a majority to have remain on the ballot either?
It's easy to find 50%+ to disagree with any option... Genuinely not sure what (if anything) currently commands a majority
I think she would get the dup for what I suggested and I think all bar 5 to 10 of her own MP's (ken Clarke etc)... so it would be close
Delay definite. Getting the EU to move on the backstop is her only choice now.
This is never going to happen, so what next.
Varadkar says he has no issue with clarifying the agreement but it won't change.
If she's postponed to educate MPs further then she deserves everything coming her way
If she's postponed to educate MPs further then she deserves everything coming her way
Yeah May seems to be doing a terrible job but from my understanding of the situation her deal is the only deal that could have ever been negotiated. Seems bizarre that she's getting so much flak for it when there were no other options.
Especially after the other two numpties she appointed spent 2 years getting nowhere in negotiations.
imagine being ridiculous than the US 
Yeah well lets not run away with the idea that the EU is all that either. There are plenty of people other than the UK not happy with it's general tone and direction. The ECJ's ruling on Brexit may see that coming home to roost sooner rather than later. The bigger it has got the greater number of forces there are to oppose certain bits of it. It needs an altogether looser set of rules if it is to survive.
Erm so can someone give me a simplified status of what's going on now?
I guess its a mix of three things
1. to show that the deal cant be re-negotiated (basically its my deal or nothing.)
2. perhaps to get some wording / statement saying the EU would not allow the backstop to be in place indefinitely
3. to allow the clock to tick down a little and the markets to get jittery hoping to spook a few into backing her plan
I think it will backfire
wheres mogg... I think hes got a decent chance (if he can get to the last two and have the members vote on him)
Not a clue.
The only certainty is that she will get keel-hauled in the house later.
Just call another referendum
There are many things the EU needs to improve but that wasn't my point.
The EU can survive without the UK, and would never compromise on its whole basis which is the 4 freedoms.
The freedom of movement rule is a major problem for the UK , for example, but not for any of the other 27.
Democracy is asking people once and only once.
Chaos?
that would be an interesting alliance of convenience
though re-reading the tweet - they might not need to have a vote to pull the vote? - (speakers choice I guess?)
Everything is fecked.
How many different ways are these MPs going to be told there aren't options to vote on? These people appear to be incredibly thick for elected representatives.
Can somebody explain to me why the SNP, whilst tirelessly seeking independence for Scotland, are so signed up to the idea of further European integration?
Isn't that something of a contradiction? Or is the movement more about being anti-English rather than pro-Scottish?
Not being snide, genuinely don't understand it.
Isn't that something of a contradiction? Or is the movement more about being anti-English rather than pro-Scottish?
Not being snide, genuinely don't understand it.
EU states are still sovereign states.
Sure, but there are powers ceded to the EU. Also, isn't the grand project for the EU to end up as a Federation?
Are they signed up to it though?
I've read somewhere that Scottish universities get a better amount of EU funding compared to British ones. It wouldn't surprise me if their local economies are more EU linked as well.
Ofcourse like @Kentonio mentioned, they can still be a sovereign country while being part of EU if they can get away from Britain.
Only if you believe Brexiters.
It's more that the english parliament has shown no interest in representing scottish interests for decades. It's barely bothered with the north of england never mind scotland.
And at a time when crucial information (such as the conditions of any possible deal) is simply not available.
I believe Scotland has benefitted so much from the access to the European market (exports) and also as a small, yet rich country with plenty of natural resources they are quite reliant on the immigrants, both high-skilled as well as not so skilled ones. Economically they're screwed in case there is Brexit, even more so if there is no deal. I wouldn't say SNP is more anti-English than pro-Scottish, that would be rather unfair.
And also one could make a case they'd have more sovereignty in the EU than in the UK, where they have absolutely no influence on Westminster and its decisions. The anti-English sentiment, Ireland success story (and how well they are doing economically) and willingness to position themselves as opposed to Trump-Farage-ERG-Robinson-nationalist far right axis (with the Scottish being rather progressive society) all play a role too, I guess.
TBF there are a few voices inside the EU that want just that, are there not? I'll try to find sources/names. Most of my Europhile friends hope for some kind of grand superstate eventually.
Well 1/3 of SNP voters supported Brexit! But the party itself has often made noises of the desire to be European, not British.