Why the negativity against Ed and the Glazers? Sorry I don't follow

Glazers and Woodward managed to undo everything SAF built. Took em a while but they finally did it.

I bet we have the reputation of a club of idiots in the football world, a cash cow which everyone can exploit because the management don't have a fecking clue. Players come here to get ridiculous wages, agents exploit us, we've got no strategy, nothing...

Prepare yourselves lads, this is going to last a while.
 
Random Task said:
Has Jose been vindicated with his search for new central defenders? Based on the evidence of the last couple of games it would appear to be the case.

If Woody truly did veto the signings Jose had requested in the summer, then he has a lot to answer for.
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So we lost a few schoolboy goals and our CB are lousy, that deserve replacing? Remember we have the same group of CB (minus Blind) that achieved Europa champion and 2nd last season, so suddenly they become lousy? Also remember it was Mourinho who recruited Bailly and Lindelof, so he is publicly admitting he has recruited 2 championship CB who are not better than a 5th choice Spur CB?
 
Thing is, if anyone was as bad at their job as Woodward is (well this half of their job), then they would be removed from it... I don't see why Manchester United should run things any differently.

Ed's lucky that SAF isn't the manager working under him... no way he'd have lasted.
 
The club was not perfect under Edwards and the previous board. SAF and his horse preceded a fateful turn of events leading to where we are now. But if the people from Florida have any sense, they will put more football people on their board, and promptly relieve Woody from any decision making to do with football, signings, agents, or transfer preparations and negotiations.
 
The hate against the Glazers is several fold, not least that they've taken money out of the club, a club that makes more money than others and should have had that money put back in.

I feel that the last few years of lack of investment hindered us and for me, if we'd invested more post-2008, we'd have landed another Champions League. Ferguson definitely had another European Cup in him. I feel in the last last few years what we achieved was despite the Glazers not because of them.
 
Liverpool 3:1 Man Utd
Do you follow now OP?
 
I can understand the hate against Woody but can't see why any one would want to have a moan about the Glazers. They have given the manager resource to brake multiple transfer records and make some of our lot the highest earning players in the league. They have got a situation on their hands though which needs to be dealt with quickly but in the right way.
 
There is negativity towards the board because they prioritise every penny above needs to be done, by sacking a chaotic personality that is torch lighting the teams assets on the pitch, and they allowing it. Giving fellaini, smalling and young new contracts, they using automatic top 4 by technicallity because they won’t give the 20 million to sack him.

Top clubs are top clubs when they act like a top club, and we are not. But if a manager is doing awful on the pitch their gone, the big clubs do this. Did you see Liverpool keeping Roy hodgson in a Job? when he was sinking Liverpool to the lowest they been since souness did it in the 90’s, to the point they were titanic Liverpool.

This board refusing to sack a lunatic who’s playing terrible long ball stoke 2009 football, trying to move the goal posts to suit his narrative, and downplaying our expectations, top clubs would throw him out for even daring this idea, our club allows it. We have had players and back room staff died for this football club to bring youth and wonderful football to this club which is our identity, we almost lost fergie, and we have Portuguese lunatic setting the whole thing on fire out of own inflated ego who wants the sack, that he would rather raise old Trafford to the ground and eat glass than ever promote youth and attacking football

Case point, every day and minute this man is still our manager, is we going to lose allot more than a pathetic 20 million. He’s the cancer of the management staff that’s hated more and more every day, unles your his fave pets are awful players who are actually the ones costing him games, cough cough Ashley young
 
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If this guy is to be believed, which is doubtful, then these twats have decided to get their hands off the club completely and don't spend a cent till they sell it, so lack of transfers in summer and refusing to sack Mourinho for the pay off. They don't want to put in any more money till they sell it.
 
Samid said:
Do you follow now OP?
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I wrote the OP and I still feel the same way. Over 80% of people here were excited about bringing in Mourinho, and were excited about the signings. Ed was being praised for his dealings.
The fact that it's not worked out is not his fault. No one back in the 80s was critical of Martin Edwards, except when there was talk about him selling his stake to Michael Knighton and Murdoch.
Fans today can't believe that we can be this bad with a very successful manager, so they're looking to blame the people upstairs.
 
el3mel said:


If this guy is to be believed, which is doubtful, then these twats have decided to get their hands off the club completely and don't spend a cent till they sell it, so lack of transfers in summer and refusing to sack Mourinho for the pay off. They don't want to put in any more money till they sell it.
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He's just trying to cash in on post game anger. He's a spoofer.
 
NinjaFletch said:
He's just trying to cash in on post game anger. He's a spoofer.
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There's too much smoke in this to not be considered fire since start of the season. I'm riding the train of believing it. They're going to get rid of the club, will be easier than needing to spend more money on it. In their mind they probably think they spent enough and the team is still dogshite and club is going nowhere, so time to cash on what's remaining of the club and let others throw their money on this mess. They got enough money of United anyway and it's not funny anymore.
 
el3mel said:
There's too much smoke in this to not be considered fire since start of the season. I'm riding the train of believing it. They're going to get rid of the club, will be easier than needing to spend more money on it. In their mind they probably think they spent enough and the team is still dogshite and club is going nowhere, so time to cash on what's remaining on the club and let others throw their money on this mess. They got enough money of United anyway and it's not funny anymore.
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And yet you'd struggle to find one good source for said 'smoke'.

A hundred garbage sources doesnt make a good one.
 
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If this guy is to be believed, which is doubtful, then these twats have decided to get their hands off the club completely and don't spend a cent till they sell it, so lack of transfers in summer and refusing to sack Mourinho for the pay off. They don't want to put in any more money till they sell it.
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I think you'd generally want to try to maximise the value of the asset before selling rather than just letting it burn.
 
I don't blame glazers that much. 400m plus is enough to make a decent team. The recruitment and planning is responsible for this mess.
 
el3mel said:


If this guy is to be believed, which is doubtful, then these twats have decided to get their hands off the club completely and don't spend a cent till they sell it, so lack of transfers in summer and refusing to sack Mourinho for the pay off. They don't want to put in any more money till they sell it.
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Who is he?
 
Snafu17 said:
I think you'd generally want to try to maximise the value of the asset before selling rather than just letting it burn.
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They've been raking in money selling the club on what it used to be. They don't need the project of resurrecting the club
 
Patrick08 said:
I don't blame glazers that much. 400m plus is enough to make a decent team. The recruitment and planning is responsible for this mess.
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Well, all I'd say as a Liverpool fan is that, yes £400m is a lot and roughly what klopp has spent in the slightly longer period of time that he has been at Liverpool vs mourinho's time at United.

However, during that time the glazers have taken at least that much out of the club for themselves, if this figure was spent on transfers then who knows.

Although getting the right manager in might help, Eddie Howe? Or Poch?
 
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When things didn't go well under moyes and van gaal then there were available narratives to explain it away

But when you hire arguably a top 3 all time manager and it is this much of a disaster then it doesn't look good, the upper management are the constant
 
Crashoutcassius said:
When things didn't go well under moyes and van gaal then there were available narratives to explain it away

But when you hire arguably a top 3 all time manager and it is this much of a disaster then it doesn't look good, the upper management are the constant
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When he was past it and already been sacked by Chelsea. I agree upper management is an issue but the fact is at all clubs the manager either makes them look good or not.
Spurs looked like a club that didn't know what it was doing after the Bale sale, till they hired Poch, Liverpool were a shambles before Klopp...
 
Snafu17 said:
I think you'd generally want to try to maximise the value of the asset before selling rather than just letting it burn.
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When you think how high the value is now versus when they bought it, it's hard to see it going up much more.
You wonder who would have the resources to buy.
 
el3mel said:


If this guy is to be believed, which is doubtful, then these twats have decided to get their hands off the club completely and don't spend a cent till they sell it, so lack of transfers in summer and refusing to sack Mourinho for the pay off. They don't want to put in any more money till they sell it.
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They don't put money in do they? It's the clubs money that goes on transfers
Unlike the City/Chelsea model where the owners have or did fund it massively.
 
Put simply, we were one of the richest clubs in the world with a great team and a genius manager. Then the Glazers managed to hedge the club against itself and Ferguson could never take advantage of the preeminent position he had brilliantly worked for (remember the 'no value in the market and no 'old players' poppycock Ferguson was forced to bullshit to the fans?).

From there it's been the utter mismanagement of Woodward that has come to the fore. This culminated with the 5 year contract given to Mourinho and here we are now.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Because we lost to a side with a smaller wage bill?
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If the players don't perform, we place the blame on their manager.

If the manager doesn't perform, shouldn't we blame his manager?

And if the managers manager doesn't perform, shouldn't we blame his manager?
 
fellaini's barber said:
I don't get all the Woodward/Glazer shit,if we'd gotten Pep we'd be top of the league or thereabout
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1, Pep would not have joined us because it was too difficult a job.
2, He chose our closest rivals, over us.
3, Pep would've demanded a lot of transfers. Jose is still using a lot of players from previous managers. Pep would've asked for every single outfield player to be sold and replaced.

The job at MUFC is ridiculously tough. LVG and Jose have both failed (I'm not going to mention Moyes, as he was a joke), even though these are top class managers.
If we want to win the title, A LOT of money will need to be spent and A LOT of our current roster would need to be sold.
Players like Lukaku, Jones, Lingard, Darmian, Young, Valencia should not be in the starting XI of a league winning team. The replacements for these players will cost a small fortune.
 
sunama said:
1, Pep would not have joined us because it was too difficult a job.
2, He chose our closest rivals, over us.
3, Pep would've demanded a lot of transfers. Jose is still using a lot of players from previous managers. Pep would've asked for every single outfield player to be sold and replaced.

The job at MUFC is ridiculously tough. LVG and Jose have both failed (I'm not going to mention Moyes, as he was a joke), even though these are top class managers.
If we want to win the title, A LOT of money will need to be spent and A LOT of our current roster would need to be sold.
Players like Lukaku, Jones, Lingard, Darmian, Young, Valencia should not be in the starting XI of a league winning team. The replacements for these players will cost a small fortune.
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This. There are people here that think we're one manager change away from winning the league. Maybe they just post and don't watch the games?
 
steffyr2 said:
This. There are people here that think we're one manager change away from winning the league. Maybe they just post and don't watch the games?
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Denial. Much easier to have a scapegoat and to delude themselves into thinking we have a good enough team. It's really funny that they never wonder why Guardiola chose City over us even though we apparently had a squad as good as theirs, backing as good as theirs, and management as good as theirs?

Must be the prestige of the club.
 
They have spent 700m since SAF retired. I hate them but we need to be objective.
 
Ed perhaps is a little culpable but he's strong on the corporate side, he needs a DoF to work alongside him rather than replace him altogether.

The Glazers argument I don't get, they've provided more than enough funding, it's not their fault we've spent it badly.
 
When the board start instructing players to hoof to Lukaku and Fellaini is the day I say they are the problem.
 
Of course they have spent Money. The money on players demanded by successive managers. Moyes, bought Fellaini and Mata. LVG a lot of others and Jose now a lot more and sold the good players bought by LVG. The players he has bought have been shite. Buying Toby from Spurs is going to make eff all at all.
If the hatred for Ed and the Glazers is because they are letting this go on for so long this season, then I would understand. But they have supported the manager with funds all the time. We paid over the top for Pogba and Lukaku because Jose wanted them. The fact it has not worked out, is not the responsibility of the Board or Ed. Whatever happens on the pitch lies entirely with the Manager.
 
el3mel said:


If this guy is to be believed, which is doubtful, then these twats have decided to get their hands off the club completely and don't spend a cent till they sell it, so lack of transfers in summer and refusing to sack Mourinho for the pay off. They don't want to put in any more money till they sell it.
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Divident hasn't increased, so no, leaving the conspiracies aside, that isn't what they have decided.

Being angry at the lack of strategy and why on the flying feck Mourinho is still our manager on the other hand...
 
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