Varchester City 18/19 discussion

Adisa said:
I actually think their demise is massive for the league. It was beginning to look like the other teams should not bother turning up. It's important that the fear they put into the other teams is minimised. People were talking about City winning 5/6/7 in a row.
We all know Liverpool aren't invincible. I actually think it's better for us and the league if Liverpool win it. As unpalatable it feels.
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Nah, what this teaches is is that these grand statements about future domination etc aren't worth the paper they're written on.
Trying to theorise why a certain side winning the league this year will mould the future of English football is entirely pointless
 
Moriarty said:
I think it's a blip and Liverpool will have one too at some point. There's far too much quality in that City squad for them to drop out of the title race at this stage.
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I'd agree with this. City have a lot of quality, plus luck will play a part. An injury to VvD would be huge and we're only half way. Lots of twists and turns to come.
 
Any Pep's meltdown videos yet? I read today that he said Spurs are better than them.
 
cyberman said:
Nah, what this teaches is is that these grand statements about future domination etc aren't worth the paper they're written on.
Trying to theorise why a certain side winning the league this year will mould the future of English football is entirely pointless
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Exactly, there were talks of Chelsea dominating the league for ages as well after the russian money.

SAF was a special manager, he didn't domiante a league for so long out of chance. It's not something that any manager can do. It's a once in a lifetime achievement.
 
It'll be interesting to see how Citeh react. The last time they lost two on the bounce Pep spat his dummy out and threatened he would leave England.

Sky have hyped the shiteload of Citeh but they aren't reaping the rewards. Empty seats, December wobble. Maybe they'll soon enough turn their attention to Liverpool.
 
Guardiola is an overrated manager. Except for last season, I don't think he's done anything extraordinary since he left Barcelona (including if he wins the league this season).

No doubt he'll now go and spend 300 million in the summer.
 
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K2K said:
Klopp is a great manager. He might not dominate but this will surely not be his last title.

I can see him wanting to stay at that club for a long long time too.

Tragedy all round.
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er....what? Liverpool already won the League? oh, didn't know that, congrats.
 
Honestly just makes me realise what a special manager SAF was and also the dominance of Utd. Not lost the league yet but again goes to show how hard it is to win back to back titles not to mention cup competitions in the same season. It's a same we aren't in the mix to what's shaping up to be a superb second half of the season....
 
Still can't believe they were mentioned as possibly the best team PL has ever seen. Not to mention some kind of domination over the league in the next few years.
First sign of competition for the title and they fold like a pack of cards.

Pep will conclude he can't take it anymore next year and leave them.
 
ShadesOfTomato said:
Guardiola is an overrated manager. Except for last season, I don't think he's done anything extraordinary since he left Barcelona (including if he wins the league this season).

No doubt he'll now go and spend 300 million in the summer.
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Who's done anything extraordinary, on the level of Ranieri (who by that metric is the best manager around nowadays)?

Most people rate him as an elite manager. Which is not overrating him. That is what he is.
 
adexkola said:
Who's done anything extraordinary, on the level of Ranieri (who by that metric is the best manager around nowadays)?

Most people rate him as an elite manager. Which is not overrating him. That is what he is.
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Extraordinary would be winning a CL with Bayern, or consecutive league titles/CL with Man City etc. Absolutely dominant success to the extent he had at Barcelona, or Ferguson at Utd. Or it can be Simeone at Athletico, Klopp at Dortmund, Pochettino at Tottenham etc I.e managers who have completely transformed the clubs they managed.

No doubt he's an elite football manager, but it's common perception that he's the best manager in the world and a clear step ahead of some of the other names you'd mention in that elite group. I think in his time at Bayern/City so far he's basically hit par.
 
Ban said:
Still can't believe they were mentioned as possibly the best team PL has ever seen. Not to mention some kind of domination over the league in the next few years.
First sign of competition for the title and they fold like a pack of cards.

Pep will conclude he can't take it anymore next year and leave them.
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Ridiculous wasn't it - people saying favourites for CL as well despite never winning it.

Expect supermarket sweep come Jan from Pep, some brand new shiny players or he throws toys out of the pram
 
abdo99 said:
Where did he say that?
He might be starting to lose the plot if he said that
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I read it somewhere on social media, but I'll try to find his post match interview just for fun.

Edit: yep, it was taken out of context.
 
cyberman said:
Which doesn't make sense to me since I associate Pep with high quality midfield players.
Its like Sir Alex having sub par wingers.
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Their pursuit of Fred and Jorginho suggests they realised the need. I think they have become obsessed with this transfer moral high ground of sticking to their valuation, which meant they couldn't comolcom deals.
 
ShadesOfTomato said:
Extraordinary would be winning a CL with Bayern, or consecutive league titles/CL with Man City etc. Absolutely dominant success to the extent he had at Barcelona, or Ferguson at Utd. Or it can be Simeone at Athletico, Klopp at Dortmund, Pochettino at Tottenham etc I.e managers who have completely transformed the clubs they managed.

No doubt he's an elite football manager, but it's common perception that he's the best manager in the world and a clear step ahead of some of the other names you'd mention in that elite group. I think in his time at Bayern/City so far he's basically hit par.
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Why would winning the CL with Bayern have been ‘extraordinary’. They were an elite team.

Basically you’re saying what would make him extraordinary is conventiently the things that he didn’t do. Suiting your own narrative a tad?
 
septic said:
Why would winning the CL with Bayern have been ‘extraordinary’. They were an elite team.

Basically you’re saying what would make him extraordinary is conventiently the things that he didn’t do. Suiting your own narrative a tad?
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'Suiting my narrative' what does that even mean? Isn't that the point of an argument to present facts based upon your interpretation of something?

Bayern have won the Bundesliga for 6 consecutive seasons; Guardiola walked into a side that were newly crowned European champions and were freely taking players from their closest rival. Why would winning the CL have been extraordinary? Because winning the league in those years was merely a formality for the club.
 
Never thought id say it but hopefully its a blip (if pool are the alternative) but it really is a glimpse at the irrelevance of this plastic club. Firstly there is near unanimous preference to city winning it among united fans, and should it be more than a blip and guardiola fecks off in failure its like a hollow little cause for laughter. They just mean nothing.

Football only, would be sinful to finish 3rd or a way off the top.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
What? You're shocked that people think the team 7 points behind the leaders won't win the league?

Okay then.
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I’m not going to knee-jerk just because City are having their bad run and Liverpool haven’t had theirs yet. They’re still the better side. Once they can get Agüero, Silva, De Bruyne and Fernandinho on the pitch together they’ll blow teams away again.

City had a similar stutter last December. The difference being that then Sterling saved them with last minute winners (and Ederson with a last minute penalty save) and this time Townsend and Ricardo smashed in one in a million strikes in consecutive games.
 
RochaRoja said:
I’m not going to knee-jerk just because City are having their bad run and Liverpool haven’t had theirs yet. They’re still the better side. Once they can get Agüero, Silva, De Bruyne and Fernandinho on the pitch together they’ll blow teams away again.

City had a similar stutter last December. The difference being that then Sterling saved them with last minute winners (and Ederson with a last minute penalty save) and this time Townsend and Ricardo smashed in one in a million strikes in consecutive games.
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Yes everyone who believes the team ahead by 7 points will win the league is 'knee jerking'. You're entitled to your view and it's a valid one. But the shock with regards to the opposing view isn't.

The problem with Liverpool is that they actually weren't even very good in the first 10-12 games and had plenty of luck getting them across the line in that period. So while they will drop points you could argue that one blip (where they didn't drop points) has already occurred.
 
I personally don't like Sane. In addition, it him that cause MCity that second goal header today against Leicester, he headed the ball directly to Delph, and yeah, Delph score it.

When I watch Sane play in the Germany national team, him being a striker, what annoy me is he seem so nervous when in front of the ball, examples: the ball right there in front of him right in front at the net, he should just shoot the da-m-n ball, but Nope, instead he passed the ball to someone else. Wth? Obviously he nervous to shoot the ball. I for one, 100% agree with Joachim Low view/assessment on him.

I would not start Sane in the match against Liverpool if I was the coach, but that me. Perhaps I just don't like him, so whatever he do will just irk me.
And Sane is the ONLY player I don't like out of this whole ManCity team.

I'm getting nervous now, with them being 7 points off the first place chart. I'm crossing my finger for them to do well in the second half of the season.

Still rooting for ManCity.
 
Sorry in my post #1510, I mean Pereira goal.
Sane header when directly to Pereira, bad try to clear header from Sane.
 
I do have to question just how good City actually are. They essentially won the league last season by the start of December and the only sort of pressure they faced was how many points they could stack up, now whilst they are extremely talented and easily in the top 5 best sides in the world I do think that they are mentally fragile. We saw it last season against Liverpool when they folded like a stack of cards 3 times, we also saw it in April against us when they got the yelps at half time, and we've seen it in the past month.

I can see Guardiola walking at the end of the season because I also don't think that he's the strongest mentally either.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Yes everyone who believes the team ahead by 7 points will win the league is 'knee jerking'. You're entitled to your view and it's a valid one. But the shock with regards to the opposing view isn't.

The problem with Liverpool is that they actually weren't even very good in the first 10-12 games and had plenty of luck getting them across the line in that period. So while they will drop points you could argue that one blip (where they didn't drop points) has already occurred.
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Okay, I was being a bit hyperbolic there. To be more accurate, I can’t believe there are people who actually think it’s over and Liverpool are champions. Especially when you compare the pedigrees of both clubs and coaches over recent times. City have come from behind to win two of their last three titles and Liverpool blown leads twice in the last decade.

I agree that Liverpool were not that great prior to this run in December, especially in the Champions League where they played poorly in all three away matches. They won’t be invincible all season and will definitely slip up enough that City can capitalise once they get back into gear. If Liverpool aren’t five points+ clear going into the Champions League knockout stages, City are strong favourites for me.
 
They need to win a football match and fast. Southhampton look a different outfit from the one they blew away. They will not be gifting them points.
 
I swear there’s less city posters here in recent weeks. It’s odd, was rarely a thread without them the last few months - just here for the quality of the forum of course.
 
ShadesOfTomato said:
Guardiola is an overrated manager. Except for last season, I don't think he's done anything extraordinary since he left Barcelona (including if he wins the league this season).

No doubt he'll now go and spend 300 million in January .
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SER19 said:
I swear there’s less city posters here in recent weeks. It’s odd, was rarely a thread without them the last few months - just here for the quality of the forum of course.
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Many of them have changed to allegiance to Liverpool which is perfectly understandable given how strong the dippers look right now.

They are expected to change back once the boom-bust cycle comes into effect, of course.

Thou shalt not judge.
 
SER19 said:
I swear there’s less city posters here in recent weeks. It’s odd, was rarely a thread without them the last few months - just here for the quality of the forum of course.
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Good call. Gentleman Jim, Polite Poster, etc, were good posters. Along with padre.
 
Dumbstar said:
Good call. Gentleman Jim, Polite Poster, etc, were good posters. Along with padre.
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I'm still here, I posted in this thread and the matchday thread at least 10 times yesterday. I can be called out on being wrong (which I often am) but not for disappearing which is why I didn't respond to Ser's original dig as it clearly wasn't at me. :)
 
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