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Manchester United 4:1 Bournemouth

Post-match discussion


Sun, 30 December 2018

I like this style of football better... who wouldn't?

But the test will be in two weeks against teams like Spurs or PSG in early February.

Then we will know if Ole can figure out how to use a makeshift defence without Bailly to stop an offensive powerhouse.

The first few games of Mourinho's term the team scored well... maybe it was the first of Ibra's games that I'm remembering... but it's not his fault that Lukaku who scored fine under his leadership at the beginning... all of a sudden couldn't find the back of the net for weeks at a time.

It's not his tactics that caused one of the stingiest defences last season, to suddenly lose the ability to stop anyone.

What happened if part of it wasn't effort?

At any rate... the team is what's important... so I'm not here to rain on anyone's parade... we're all happy that we are winning again... and that's all that matters.

Nothing will make me happier if Ole can create a game plan to counter Spurs and PSG.

About the defense leaking, once you get a couple of goals in the first half, that usually makes the other team to get disinterested which means you are less likely to concede and more in control.

That is what exactly Jose failed to do it pretty much this whole year. So, you can't really say it was not his fault that the 2nd best defense went shit this season and nothing to do with tactic. Even peak Rio-Vidic would struggle if all they have to do is chasing attackers around all game in stressful situations and the ball coming back to them every minute of the game. You are bound to get demoralize or lose some concentration at some point which is what happened with us under Jose. Even the best defenders would not come to a club like United to play like that. I don't think anyone like that.

Tactics include mind game too. Not just some lines on white boards.
 
I like this style of football better... who wouldn't?

But the test will be in two weeks against teams like Spurs or PSG in early February.

Then we will know if Ole can figure out how to use a makeshift defence without Bailly to stop an offensive powerhouse.

The first few games of Mourinho's term the team scored well... maybe it was the first of Ibra's games that I'm remembering... but it's not his fault that Lukaku who scored fine under his leadership at the beginning... all of a sudden couldn't find the back of the net for weeks at a time.

It's not his tactics that caused one of the stingiest defences last season, to suddenly lose the ability to stop anyone.

What happened if part of it wasn't effort?

At any rate... the team is what's important... so I'm not here to rain on anyone's parade... we're all happy that we are winning again... and that's all that matters.

Nothing will make me happier if Ole can create a game plan to counter Spurs and PSG.

If all you're going to do is defend eventually you'll start conceding and then if you start telling everyone how bad they are and this team still isn't built in your image, you're going to compound the issue.He didn't get the defenders he wanted and he made sure everyone knew.
 
I agree with all of you that his handling of the team from a motivational perspective was a failure.

I just hope we won't need his tactical nous come the Champions League and top 5 fixtures.

I've moved on and wish Jose well against any team but us.
 
For what it’s worth, there’s more than one way to win a football match.
Mourinho has won plenty playing his way.

For sure. Even now, in a one-off cup game, I think there are probably none better than Jose at working out how to win. It might be ugly, but he is impressively good at it.
 
I can admit that the team is better now than it was four games ago.

I can agree that removing Jose improved morale.

But my point still stands that players who get paid millions of pounds should be giving full effort even if they don't like the manager.

If you want the players running the team... that is your right.

This isn't 1996 player motivation is a completely different proposition. Do you think the players at Spurs/Liverpool/City work so hard because they have superior work ethics to our players? No, their managers keep them happy and motivated. Speaking of salaries, did Mourinho not make enough to try to motivate his players instead of degrading them constantly and making them miserable?
 
So enjoyable watching our United again, best Xmas present we could have had, United playing fast attacking football again with an enthusiastic legend as manager. Roll on the Newcastle game.

Spot on mate.
Would love to see how Sanchez works in this attacking team, hopefully he should be available for next game.
So if Rashford has a niggle, stick Sanchez at 9 and Lukaku on the bench again. Lukaku just seems to slow things down
 
I agree with all of you that his handling of the team from a motivational perspective was a failure.

I just hope we won't need his tactical nous come the Champions League and top 5 fixtures.

I've moved on and wish Jose well against any team but us.

The thing is, for all of Mourinhos tactical ability, I'd have given us perhaps a 25% chance of getting past PSG when the draw was made.

Now with the changes we are seeing over the last few weeks, even taking into account that we havent been tested, I'd still increase our chances to around 35% if, as I hope and expect, Ole just tells us to go for it.

Point being, despite Mourinho having a reputation as a wily old tactician and Ole not yet having achieved anything to earn the same label, he still looks to be a significantly better fit for this club and squad.
 
Bailly killed the party. We were just clinical again
 
On the first day of Christmas my true-love gave to me, An Eric Cantona.

On the second day of Christmas my true-love gave to me, Two Cantonas,
And an Eric Cantona.

On the third day of Christmas my true-love gave to me, Three Cantonas, Two Cantonas, And an Eric Cantona.

On the fourth day of Christmas my true-love gave to me, Four Cantonas, Three Cantonas, Two Cantonas, And an Eric Cantona.

On the fifth day of Christmas my true-love gave to me, Fiiiiiiive solskjaers
, Four Cantonas, Three Cantonas, Two Cantonas, And ole gunnar solskjaer

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I have no idea what this even means. It's clear that Jose had told the fullbacks not to get forward - what are they supposed to do to put in "full effort"? Run around in little circles in our half?

The same applies to virtually every position on the pitch. It was not an accident that our running stats were the lowest in the league - it was a direct result of Jose wanting everyone behind the ball most the time. How should Pogba have worked harder when he had nobody making runs in front of him? The goals he scored today, how could he have even made those runs without players out wide (which you rarely saw under Jose's rule) and without taking the risk of leaving his position in midfield? Nobody can put in "full effort" if they are given instructions not to move.

Players can't work harder if they are told not to make runs or go forward. Jose never wanted them to risk leaving space behind them, so how the heck were they supposed to run at all?

However, if you like to watch football without understanding it...that is your right.
I think humility is not only an attractive quality in a commentary; it is a wise one. Here we are, on the crest of a wave. Four goal United are back. OGS, a bona fide MUFC legend is at the helm. But at the end of SAF tenure problems abounded.

Biggest among these was how to complete with possession based tiki tali styles - Barca, etc.

We have now had LVG and JM in the hot seat. And while we might have been bored, while this style might have seemed stagnant and unexciting, and while lots of problems surfaced.... still.

Possession play has been embedded. Some good players have been signed. If JM had his way we would have strengthened at the back. Michael Carrick has learnt from Jose. It will have been like going to university for him.

These things are never simple, never a simple black/white binary puzzle. I too was bored by negative play; but - a a supporter- I supported JM to the end.

There is a genuine relief at the change and the style of it; fair play to OGS, I Liked him as a player, good luck to him as a manager.

But let’s be cool here. It’s a long hard road. And as JM did with LVG (Mr Van Gaal), we may yet give thanks to some of the others who contributed to this set of players, this squad, this coaching resource. The key is not to waste it. We are a long way past the SAF era. So are our competitors.

Let’s hope this turns out to be brilliant and lucky timing. I hope so, with all my heart. But let’s not be too sure of ourselves, just yet. Understanding is a weighty word to be throwing around at this stage in the game.
 
I agree with all of you that his handling of the team from a motivational perspective was a failure.

I just hope we won't need his tactical nous come the Champions League and top 5 fixtures.

I've moved on and wish Jose well against any team but us.
With the way he was doing things this season, his tactical nous would most likely do feck all in those fixtures. It didn't last season in CL.
 
I like this style of football better... who wouldn't?

But the test will be in two weeks against teams like Spurs or PSG in early February.

Then we will know if Ole can figure out how to use a makeshift defence without Bailly to stop an offensive powerhouse.

The first few games of Mourinho's term the team scored well... maybe it was the first of Ibra's games that I'm remembering... but it's not his fault that Lukaku who scored fine under his leadership at the beginning... all of a sudden couldn't find the back of the net for weeks at a time.

It's not his tactics that caused one of the stingiest defences last season, to suddenly lose the ability to stop anyone.

What happened if part of it wasn't effort?

At any rate... the team is what's important... so I'm not here to rain on anyone's parade... we're all happy that we are winning again... and that's all that matters.

Nothing will make me happier if Ole can create a game plan to counter Spurs and PSG.
You're making excuses for Mourinho when everyone but you can see that it was his obvious tactics and training that stopped us being an attacking force. Then his toxicity kicks in calling nearly all the players out when we were caught out by the other teams, as they studied how we played last year and bettered it, and he still wouldnt take the blame. Even his own man Matic has gone from very poor to good since he left.
 
The thing is, for all of Mourinhos tactical ability, I'd have given us perhaps a 25% chance of getting past PSG when the draw was made.

Now with the changes we are seeing over the last few weeks, even taking into account that we havent been tested, I'd still increase our chances to around 35% if, as I hope and expect, Ole just tells us to go for it.

Point being, despite Mourinho having a reputation as a wily old tactician and Ole not yet having achieved anything to earn the same label, he still looks to be a significantly better fit for this club and squad.

But Mourinho is a wily tactician... every game I watched I rarely thought... why did he do this?

I think his failure is what everyone is saying... he lost the team... so it no longer mattered how clever he was at football.

I think he was too inflexible... too unwilling to use the proverbial sugar instead of vinegar to get his way.

He was probably too intelligent for his own good... and it doesn't matter if you are right about the strategy if you can't inspire the players to implement it for you.
 
Are people still having issues seeing the difference between this team of players vs bottom half teams and 11 individuals vs bottom half teams few weeks ago? Its like day and night, there's off the ball movement compared to that static traffic cons stuff, players are playing one touch football and not holding the ball forever, most of the football is being played in the opposition half rather than our own half defending for dear life, there's a clear game plan when we have the ball. Doesn't matter if its against only (insert team) but we actually look like a team. One thing is for sure at least against bottom half teams, win/lose or draw, we won't be making their average players look like Messi against us and hopefully in most matches we'll be putting them to the sword. The saddest part of the way we have played in the past 3 games is........we are not doing anything special just the basics, that's how bad our previous 3 managers style's were.
 
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But Mourinho is a wily tactician... every game I watched I rarely thought... why did he do this?

I think his failure is what everyone is saying... he lost the team... so it no longer mattered how clever he was at football.

I think he was too inflexible... too unwilling to use the proverbial sugar instead of vinegar to get his way.

He was probably too intelligent for his own good... and it doesn't matter if you are right about the strategy if you can't inspire the players to implement it for you.
If he is so intelligent how did he manage to get everybody against him at Chelsea,Madrid and now United and get ousted from 3 top jobs? I do not find it very smart when people think they are bigger than United and his behaviour since the summer is like a spoilt brat rather than a highly intelligent adult.
 
If he is so intelligent how did he manage to get everybody against him at Chelsea,Madrid and now United and get ousted from 3 top jobs? I do not find it very smart when people think they are bigger than United and his behaviour since the summer is like a spoilt brat rather than a highly intelligent adult.

Big difference between practical intelligence and emotional intelligence.

As others have said here... it's a new era, and you have to have both these days.

I just hope Ole has the practical side down.
 
Was on the verge of ditching both Sky Sport and BT Sport because I could no longer stand the dross we were being served up under Mourinho or the cack he spouted at interviews and pressers.
But, Ole comes along, says all the right things on the telly (and no doubt to the team) and it's like dawn after the darkest of nights....a joy to behold all around.
Coupla points, Bailly needs to seriously wise up and I like the look of that David Brooks kid. I'd be quite happy to see him rock up at United with that sweet left foot and tidy football brain of his.
Happy days lads!!!
 
Had to miss the game so can't wait to watch the highlights :drool:
Missed it as well with work, ducking and diving to avoid hearing the result, wasn’t disappointed again. Great to see us attacking like mad again. Defenders doing back heels and getting in the box to score!
 
Another awesome game. Yep,we're still leaky and.yes,we'll get a hammering one day.
But I'm excited. I am enjoying football again.
Bailly. Man. I love the lad but I'm now siding towards him not being caPable. Too much of a liability.
Pogba sensational AGAIN.
 
Was on the verge of ditching both Sky Sport and BT Sport because I could no longer stand the dross we were being served up under Mourinho or the cack he spouted at interviews and pressers.
But, Ole comes along, says all the right things on the telly (and no doubt to the team) and it's like dawn after the darkest of nights....a joy to behold all around.
Coupla points, Bailly needs to seriously wise up and I like the look of that David Brooks kid. I'd be quite happy to see him rock up at United with that sweet left foot and tidy football brain of his.
Happy days lads!!!
Happy days is right! And yes, the difference is night and day.
 
Best match under the new manager so far. Really high quality chances that were made rather than long ranged shots flying in. Didn’t give much away at the back either.

 
I mean I knew Mourinho was holding us back but I didn't realize everyone in the squad hated him so much
 
A lot of decisions went Utds way today.
Young's challenge was a red card and Bournemouth should have had at least one penalty .
 
Ole has already confirmed again today he is temporary. I dont understand why people dont understand that. Ed has obviously been up front with him.

I read there's is a clause that if they appoint Ole as the permanent manager Molde recieves 18M. Pretty sure it's not completely off the table. He does well enough there's no telling.
 
Pogba world class. Best midfield in the world right now. I dare anyone name one better midfielder than Pogba who also has numbers to back them.
Owen Hargreaves said this was the best individual preformance he'd seen from a midfielder this season.
 
the only thing I heard Bournemouth fans sing was "we support our local team" which speaks volumes - great performance from us.

Rashford has matured so much this year and Pogba again sensational - 10/10 on who scored I noticed
 
I thought the boys done well today and, although I really do like Bailly's hard tackling, he needs to give himself a shake. Twice he could have dropped us right in the mire today. It did show though, when he went off and we tried to strangle the game, the midfield slowed right down and gave the defenders no-one to pass the ball to, plus with no Rashford up front, we had no runner available as a "long punt over the top" last resort kind of finish.

Can I also ask, am I the only one reading these forums getting sick of our fans regurgitating what Jose did or didn't do? For me, the current regime are doing what we wanted, Jose has gone and so should anymore of his flashbacks. Let's celebrate with the xmas presents that Santa Ole and his helpers have brought back to Old Trafford over the last few games and look forward to a happier New Year.
 
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They were playing exactly how Mourinho wanted them to play, why don't you get it? and if they tried anything differently while he was in charge they would have never seen a United shirt again.I'm sick to the back teeth of people blaming the bloody players when it's clear as day the problem was the bloody manager.

Jose has quite rightly paid the price for his mis management and negative tactics , but to think that the players were blameless is nieve at best and ridiculous at worst .
Jose hated Pogba , Pogba hated Jose obvious to all , but to down tools as much as he did when earning a million pounds a month was a disgrace .
To say they were playing exactly as Jose told them too ?? Do you think Jose said to Pogba when you get the balll give it away ? Or if through on goal hit it wide or over the top ?
Sanchez , Pogba and to a degree Martial let the club down as well as the manager and as a result they have more than likely cost us a champs lge place next season .
I’m glad Jose has gone I’m glad ole is here I’m glad Pogba and co have hit form I’m enjoying watching united again for the first time since fergie retired long may it continue but it is so
obvious to see that player powere rules but at least if they turn on ole the fans will 100 % back the manager this time and quite rightly so
 
I have no idea what this even means. It's clear that Jose had told the fullbacks not to get forward - what are they supposed to do to put in "full effort"? Run around in little circles in our half?

The same applies to virtually every position on the pitch. It was not an accident that our running stats were the lowest in the league - it was a direct result of Jose wanting everyone behind the ball most the time. How should Pogba have worked harder when he had nobody making runs in front of him? The goals he scored today, how could he have even made those runs without players out wide (which you rarely saw under Jose's rule) and without taking the risk of leaving his position in midfield? Nobody can put in "full effort" if they are given instructions not to move.

Players can't work harder if they are told not to make runs or go forward. Jose never wanted them to risk leaving space behind them, so how the heck were they supposed to run at all?

However, if you like to watch football without understanding it...that is your right.
It's that simple. The managers tactics didn't allow for runs off the ball and slick interchanging . Pogba made over 100 passes again three games in a row. I think I read it only happened 3 times in the last 15 games of Jose. Is this not tactics? Players constantly being told to get back and leaving striker isolated and the defence as sitting ducks. Is this not tactics?
 
It wasn't a simple matter of not backing the manager. Players downing tools... Nah ... These guys are professional footballers playing at the highest level and to suggest it is purely down to them downing tools doesn't wash.

Maybe towards the end of sours spell player power nudged him out the door but even that is a stretch. For me Utd's mess mainly due to the neg tactics from mourinho that uninspired players/supporters alike. It caused a vicious cycle and thankfully it's been broken. Roll on Newcastle
 
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