Yes. Of course. But the reason I posted this was that I have been a Labour supporter.
Now I only support Manchester United.
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Yes. Of course. But the reason I posted this was that I have been a Labour supporter.
Now I only support Manchester United.
Agree totally.
The Tories have been atrocious and May is a hopeless PM and has even lost a vote by 230 votes but somehow Corbyn looks even worse. How is this possible?
If Labour want to be in power they have to have a leader with some appeal and quality that extends further than their core base.
When is this gonna happen? You laughed at us for Trump! You deserve this! I'm kidding...
Some mouth watering insights in this Guardian piece by Jonathan Freedland:
Wealthy Brexiteers like James Dyson are jumping ship. Why might that be?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/23/james-dyson-brexiteer-elite-brexit-rees-mogg
Wealthy Brexiteers like James Dyson are jumping ship. Why might that be?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/23/james-dyson-brexiteer-elite-brexit-rees-mogg
I have Corbynistas in my family so I am happy to pass on the answer to this question, which I myself have asked.
"It's the BBC's fault."
That's right folks. Its a media conspiracy, an establishment stitch up, to make Corbyn look like an incompetent plonker. In actual fact he is brimming with great ideas and is, in fact, playing a blinder, if only the media would report on all the awesome things he says and does.
"He's not perfect. Of course he isnt. But his problems are mainly style, not substance."
This is the world according to The Corbynista.
Can you ask them to summarize the substance?
Before Brexit I'd never heard of him and other than snippets here and there about his past which I've no idea whether it is true or not.
I've not too much interest outside Brexit whether Tories or Labour are in power.
I'm purely judging him on his performance as a politician. He always seems to be reading from a script and when put on the spot doesn't have the ability to be able to respond.
Now if I was in the UK and was a traditionally Tory voter or a hesitant voter, there's no way I'd vote for him and that's before I've considered his policies.
Mogg now talking about closing down parlaiment in order to prevent elected MPs from passing amendments
They're going to get someone killed because the far right types will take this shit on board.
Heard on the Radio this morning that far right extremism is growing. 14 Islamic terrorist plots and 4 right wing extremist terrorist plots were foiled last year.
Amazing how all these intellectually challenged buffoons are given jobs as consultants.
Thanks for the advice Davis, now I know what not to do.
The substance is that he isnt a Tory. A Tory, or a Red Tory. He isnt Blairite, he isnt an establishment stooge, he is a conviction socialist, a candidate that offers actual change, rather than the kind of bullshit change-in-name-only that New Labour represented.
I dont know how much deeper than that it goes. I want to say not much, but perhaps I am not giving him or them enough credit. Ultimately the conversation always gets derailed by questions about whether he is a terrorist sympathiser and an anti semite, which drives people into their tribal positions and blocks discussions about policy.
I never get the sense that his opinions have changed one iota since the 1970s. I think there is an interesting socialist case to make by someone who is both financially and technologically literate, but I dont ever see or hear him making it. And I dont think that is because he lacks charisma or presentational skills, I think he lacks vision.
I also still believe, as I did shortly after he won, that he never wanted to be in the position he's in, and resents not being on his allotment digging up his turnips.
As an aside, here is an amusing excerpt from a political book, Start Again, by Philip Collins:
60k for 20 hours a year isn't half bad. Considering he has shown himself to know feck all he's done a good deal. What could possibly be in it for that company, though?
Oh i wasn't trying to paint you as a Tory mate, just pointing out we're no better off with the Tories in power. Brexit has shown them all to be as incompetent as each other.
60k for 20 hours a year isn't half bad. Considering he has shown himself to know feck all he's done a good deal. What could possibly be in it for that company, though?
Lobbying. It's pure corruption, Davis is in a position to influence policies and Mr. Bamford is willing to pay for it.
60k for 20 hours a year isn't half bad. Considering he has shown himself to know feck all he's done a good deal. What could possibly be in it for that company, though?
The job above it for the German company is bizarre, and he'll be "eligible for the management incentive plan"
And that's only since the middle of December.
60k for 20 hours a year isn't half bad. Considering he has shown himself to know feck all he's done a good deal. What could possibly be in it for that company, though?
I’m guessing exports. A weaker pound helps with that.
Edit:
75% of their production is exported.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/11/jcb-britain-yellow-digger-money-machine-sales
But but but it’s project fear. Dyson the hypocrit just like other Brexiters who want other people to share the pain but not them.
Not at all.
I have supported Manchester United since not long after the Munich disaster and have travelled up to OT many times.
I was elated when Jose was appointed and disappointed that things didn't turn out as hoped.
A true supporter follows their team through good and bad.
Was listening to a podcast this morning and they were saying that most of Dyson's productions has been outside of the UK since 2003 and that the UK is a base for R&D and will continue to be so, making the story look more cynical than it is. There is also a growing market in Asia, so there is some other context than Brexit.
I was only joking
You support Bristol Rovers anyway
No offence taken I assure you.
I used to watch Bristol Rovers for many years and they remain my local team but Manchester United are my true love.
You would be surprised how many people from Bristol follow United.
They still get access to the single market in Singapore though I think as they recently signed a new trade deal with the EU?
You get hyperbole on both sides mind. The Bentley CEO’s comments were much less alarmist in full context than what was reported in The Guardian.
And i'm guessing influence. There will be a lot of fine print to be sorted after the 29th of march (whichever way this goes) and they are positioning themselves. (Sorry, it was meant as a rhetorical question). They are also huge steel consumers so I'm not sure how much they'd really benefit from a lower pound (which also devalues all of their assets).
They say here they’ve enjoyed and small benefit from the fall of the pound after Brexit and that they buy raw materials in foreign currency.
Don’t get me wrong though, I’m sure it’s an ideological position for him as much as anything.
https://www.ft.com/content/293f643a-6708-11e7-9a66-93fb352ba1fe
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-already-been-cancelled-heres-13896286.amp
Really interesting article - for the mirror that is. Thoughts?
Really interesting article - for the mirror that is. Thoughts?
Airbus being very clear they could pull factories out of Britain in the event of no-deal Brexit.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46984229
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46984229
..and the response from a Tory MP. Sweet fecking jesus..
Isn't fear a natural reaction to something bad that is actually going to happen? Don't think it requires a project.
It makes a lot of sense. Though it begs the question, are all the politicians tearing their hair out and endlessly talking to journalists about their various plans simply going through the motions? Are they playing along, despite secretly understanding the whole thing is a sham because Brexit is literally undeliverable at this point - regardless of whether people can agree on a plan? Or are they so wrapped up in their own arguments that they havent thought through these logistical problems?
I’m guessing the latter. There seems to be an unassumption that someone, somewhere will sort out the technical stuff in some way. They seem oblivious to the fact the buck is squarely on them and there really isn’t anyone else they can pass it to.
Though one would also have to criticise the media if that article is true - why on earth have none of the other highbrow or big newspapers drawn attention to it? Are they complicit too?
Believe me this is no idle threat. Airbus has absolutely no devine need to manufacture in the UK. It does it because the UK is a technically good and profitable place to operate in.
But, the Germans, French, Italian and Spanish would dearly love to take that wing design and manufacture work and have done for many years.
When Airbus says this, we should be worried and take the warning very seriously.
Cant help but feel there is a vital piece of that argument missing from that article, for this very reason. I know MSM has its own agenda and doesnt always report everything it should, or can misrepresent the facts. But I trust other publications more than The Mirror.
From David Jones, former Wales secretary..
Why would Airbus give a single shit what their UK employees voted for you dumb bastard?!?! As for the rest of this drivel, just another Tory claiming they know how to run a highly technical global business better than the people who actually run it..
Why would Airbus give a single shit what their UK employees voted for you dumb bastard?!?! As for the rest of this drivel, just another Tory claiming they know how to run a highly technical global business better than the people who actually run it..
Regardless of whether that article is right or not (I had a conversation with someone the other day who knows his beans who argued likewise; I find that the argument ignores the unprecedented incompetence that has got as us far as this stage), of course we should criticise the media.
They've been led a merry dance by Brexiteers for nigh on a decade and the majority have continually been either too thick, or too concerned about their career prospects to do anything about it. On most EU issues the majority of journalists have repeatedly come across as ill informed, and under skilled to deal with the (admittedly often complex) issues that Brexit has brought up.
It's incredibly disheartening to see how clueless everyone seems to be... Fecking shambles.
Take over the plants?
As in...
Seize the means of production?
He also needs to check the list of shareholders and think carefully about the consequences.