CL L Champions League Round of 16 1st Leg

Manchester United 0:2 Paris St Germain

Post-match discussion


Tue, 12 February 2019

No he wasn't.

To say he was very good is a ridiculous comment imho. He's a Utd favourite but when compared to the best midfielders he's not even close!

He was probably our best player IMO, certainly before we conceded. Was breaking up their play and controlling the ball.

Granted, not as good as Verratti was for them. They were better at retaining the ball. But it was a corner that broke us, not good play. On another night we score from a corner.
 
1st half we were comfortable but not creating too much. 2nd half With quite clearly the poor trigger happy ref who was absolutely woeful in game management along with the injuries to Lingard & Martial change the game.

I don’t think this is Ole fault. We are in a transition period under him but playing with JM team. We clearly lack a quality bench & the injuries today showed the bench aren’t good enough.

I’m not surprised with the result & TBH not that bothered. We are playing one of the best teams in Europe & final contenders. It would be a miracle if we go through but this is always going to be big ask against a very talented side.

For me our priority has to be the FA Cup & concentrating on the league places. All of us know our team isn’t complete & we need more signings in the summer. That’s why I don’t feel hard done by.

Overall we were decent could’ve been Better. Few players below par but onwards & upwards under Ole. Because TBH we were in a real mess under JM.
 
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It was a bit embarrassing towards the end. How many passes did they string together while their fans cheered?
We were already mentally checked out that stage. Everyone can see we were competitive in the game until our front line was taken away. We couldve turned the screw 2nd half but it gave them the confidence they needed to pin us backwards and attack the flanks.
 
For me, that wasn't such a bad game in the grand scheme of things. We didn't play that poorly. Our deficiencies at the top level just got laid bare tonight. Despite their absentees, PSG simply had better players, were a better team. We matched them with our best 11. Once the injury enforced subs happened, we might as well have conceded the tie. Pogba having an off day made it worse. The players need to pick themselves up and get us in the champions league next season, then we can strengthen to compete better. Chastening night, but doesn't really change our season much. We can still finish on a high..
 
Did you not watch us ping in ball after ball with nobody attacking it in the middle? We could have fired crosses in all day and not won a header. It was Mourinho management which I thought everyone was sick of.

We tried to move it around the middle, we tried crosses out wide, we tried shooting, that’s just the way it goes sometimes when a world class defence is defending a 2-0 lead, they defended incredibly well.

You just need to accept we got beaten by a much better side. Subbing Shaw for Lukaku or Matic for Lukaku would have been suicide with Mbappe on the prowl
 
Ref did his best to ruin the tie from the off. Gave Kimpembe not one, but two free passes after he was on a yellow. He shouldn't have been on the pitch when he scored. Pogba's sending off was a joke.

You can't really help Lingard and Martial both being hurt, but you can help making abysmal subs to replace them. In what world does a Mata / Young right side against PSG sound like a good decision? Alexis is beyond a joke of a player. We'd get more from Tahith Chong than we get from him and I believe that 100%. He's fecking useless.

At the end of the day though, regardless of how the past two months under Ole have gone, we're still as far away from being back on top as we were when Mourinho left. This stink will take a long time and a lot of money to shake off.
 
The crowd were quiet for one reason and that was the realisation that PSG can play. They shut down our main part of attack on the left by crowding us out there.
Ole can not be blamed for this performance, the team was our best and one could say on another day without injuries we could do better but thats more on hope than fact.
No, the real problem is the Glaziers and lesser on the ceo, the former who have no ambition other to swell there pockets above all else and the latter, cos he just doesnt have a clue about football.
We will only start being a top team when the Glaziers have gone, simples! We started the rot as soon as the glaziers were in control by buying second rate footballers and this is still continuing to this day.
 
Lost to a better team. Feel a bit like after the finals vs Barca, disappointed but not angry. Our team needs a lot of improvement despite the great streak we had under Ole.
 
"Outclassed"... Part of this forum is just a joke. Honestly.

They should outclass us considering the oil-team they have, but they didn't outclass anything at all.
You were completely outclassed. There is no debate there.
 
1st half we were comfortable but not creating too much. 2nd half With quite clearly the poor trigger happy ref who was absolutely woeful in game management along with the injuries to Lingard & Martial change the game.

I don’t think this is Ole fault. We are in a transition period under him but playing with JM team. We clearly lack a quality bench & the injuries today showed the bench aren’t good enough.

I’m not surprised with the result & TBH not that bothered. We are playing one of the best teams in Europe & final contenders. It would be a miracle if we go through but this is always going to be big ask against a very talented side.

For me our priority has to be the FA Cup & concentrating on the league places. All of us know our team isn’t complete & we need more signings in the summer. That’s why I don’t feel hard done by.

Overall we were decent could’ve been Better. Few players below par but onwards & upwards under Ole. Because TBH we were in a real mess under JM.

This.
 
What was wrong with Rashford tonight? He looked like he played against a small team, as if the game didn't matter, I don't understand him sometimes. Loosen up a bit we need our centre half to show up against big teams.
 
The most sad thing is that some supporters expect United to challenge for europe in the future, then that future is about as far away as it can possibly get. When our key player Pogba can't produce anything, even when given free pass to pretty much run the team, then what is left for us? Can't imagine Pog and DDG to stay and never win annything, same with Rash. What are we left with then? Sanchez on 400k a week, the u19 team and seniors.
 
We were already mentally checked out that stage. Everyone can see we were competitive in the game until our front line was taken away. We couldve turned the screw 2nd half but it gave them the confidence they needed to pin us backwards and attack the flanks.

We hadn't even put a rawl plug in, let alone a screw. We didn't create anything all night. We matched them defensively, but once the first goal went in we knew the game was up.
 
Well schooled. There is huge gulf in class with European level and it showed. A bit of blame on the ref but with injuries and all, we could never get going.
Anyways, the only way we could go up is get.some good signings and then step up.
Extending all of Smalling Jones and Young is worst way to go about it
 
Don't agree, ole has only been here for two months and is dealing with a weaker squad then psg . What we had on the bench didn't help especially when you lose your key elements to your game plan which is pace and it ain't Ole's fault matic fell asleep on corner duty .
I don't agree with the general consensus here that we lost because of the injuries. Even with both Lingard and Martial on the pitch we were bad and created literally nothing. PSG were more dangerous, had more of the ball, had a clear gameplan and yes we caught them offside a few times but they were always a threat just lacked final ball.
 
You can't have it both ways. How can he have done feck all, yet at the same time losing him made us poor?



Is that enough? Apparently not.

I won't deny we missed him when he went off, but we didn't create anything when he was on either. We were just an even darker shade of shit.
You can't have it both ways. How can he have done feck all, yet at the same time losing him made us poor?



Is that enough? Apparently not.

I won't deny we missed him when he went off, but we didn't create anything when he was on either. We were just an even darker shade of shit.

I don't think he's as fantastic as some other do, just feel he can offer something in games like theese while others you didn't put on the list will never be at this level. His energy and workrate can be useful despite his flaws.
 
You were completely outclassed. There is no debate there.
Yeah just rub it in. A lucky corner goal and a decent counter attack combined with an absymal ref performance isn’t what I’d categorize as ‘outclassed’. No doubt that Kimpembe should’ve seen red in the first half if the ref had a hint of consistency in him.
 
PSG even in the first half looked far more likely to carve out a chance, were a bit shy of a bit of magic, but seemed to be going up the gears slowly. Obviously second half they schooled us.
 
The better team won. If the ref would've been better at his job PSG would still have won, we lack the experience and quality to challenge these lot and it's no surprise.

Let's just keep our heads cool, ignore our rivals mocking us and let Ole continue to do his thing.
 
I don't think he's as fantastic as some other do, just feel he can offer something in games like theese while others you didn't put on the list will never be at this level. His energy and workrate can be useful despite his flaws.
Lindelof has impressed me, hence why I didn't put him on the list. He actually looked solid against Juventus, which gives an indication he can play at this level. Most of our team looked out of their depth tonight.
 
You were completely outclassed. There is no debate there.
Hardly. The psg were clever in their game management and with this ref I was worried throughout. Our decision making couldve been better but what actually swung the game was Lingard and Martial going off. That's when PSG could show their superiority.
All in all a weakened PSG is better than weakened United.
 
Who’d you prefer to bring on instead? I doubt say Lukaku instead of Mata would’ve made a massive difference.
Well Thiago struggled with Dembele of all people against Lyon and Rashford out wide would have added more threat for me so yeah I would have gone for Lukaku up top and moved Rashford out wide.

As soon as Lukaku came on we put a ball in to him and he ran at them and you could see the difference, he also won an aerial battle and laid the ball off something no one had been able to do all night and for some reason we had taken to trying to cross the ball in so Mata and Sanchez could try and win a header.
 
The ref was absolutely shit.

That being said we need to invest heavily in the squad. Too many players not good enough stealing a living.

Before we get to criticising the players and the manager after a reality check, can we please accept that we have the poorest home support of all the English clubs in Europe? The only reason Old Trafford wasn't silent tonight was because the PSG fans were singing their heads off.

I'm more disappointed in the atmosphere than the performance of the players. Emptihad is louder than this in the Carabao Cup. Our away fans are amazing, but the home support is very embarrassing.

Yeah, you would think PSG were the home team with the noise they were making.
 
Feel sorry for all our supporters who were really up for this game with hopes of us doing well. Realistically I thought a draw would take a big performance from us but in the end it was a flat incompetent effort. This was supposed to be the return of the big European nights at Old Trafford but what a disaster in the end. Team was flat and support non existent. Once again we conceded on a soft corner, our favourite method of going behind. Time to concentrate on the league as we're out of this unfortunately..
 
Agreed here. But outclassed? Not at all. Outclassed was Barcelona vs us in our last two CL-finals. That is outclassed. PSG was and are not anywhere near that level.
Depends on your definition of outclassed I guess. But I never felt we were in the game after the opener. They played the ball around in 2nd gear and we couldn't lay a glove on them. I'd say that's pretty much being outclassed.
 
Lindelof has impressed me, hence why I didn't put him on the list. He actually looked solid against Juventus, which gives an indication he can play at this level. Most of our team looked out of their depth tonight.

Lindelof is solid in defensive teams, with alot of cover from the midfield a la Mourinho. There's a reason SAF could play the way he did at times. We always had great defenders in the past, who could handle a 2 on 2 etc. This lot can't handle 3 on 2 at times even a 4 on 2.
 
Lindelof is solid in defensive teams, with alot of cover from the midfield a la Mourinho.
Glad you think so, I think he's looked even better since Ole came in.
 
I don't agree with that at all, both teams were fluffing their attacks on the final ball and we were forced into subbing on 2 players whom psg could easily keep quiet, giving them the advantage in attack.

End of the day goals change games and while we never know what the final score would have been had kimbempe been rightfully sent off, he woudnt have been the one to score their first.

They should have had 2 in the first half! We created zilch.At home.
One they got to 2-0 they took the piss.How someone can’t see that is beyond me.
 
Recorded the match to watch later and just finished. I fast forwarded through most of the second half as I could see it coming. They were more composed but also so sneaky with the fouls and dramatic with their reactions that it was clear we'd lose players to injury/sending off.
 
Its half time in a two leg tie... we already proved we can go away and turn a result around in the CL against Juve this season. We can still go through.
 
You were completely outclassed. There is no debate there.

In the second half yes, although they broke us with a goal from a corner, which is luck, calculated at that.

But it was even enough in the first half. They controlled the game better when they had the ball. They bullied Rashford too which made it difficult for us to counter.

I would agree with the other poster though. Barcelona completely outclassed us in those CL finals.
 
We hadn't even put a rawl plug in, let alone a screw. We didn't create anything all night. We matched them defensively, but once the first goal went in we knew the game was up.
Again the 1st half was in control without being at our fluid best but still in control. The game was up when our front line got decimated with injury because we got exposed in two ends.
 
Hardly. The psg were clever in their game management and with this ref I was worried throughout. Our decision making couldve been better but what actually swung the game was Lingard and Martial going off. That's when PSG could show their superiority.
All in all a weakened PSG is better than weakened United.

Did you, at any point, felt United were threatening? I really didn't. I thought your only chance of getting somewhere was either a corner or a foul in the box. We can be pedantic on the definition of outclassed, but you faced a seriously diminished PSG missing two huge pieces and they had 5 times the amounts of shots on target, and the game finished 2-0 without United having any clear cut chance of scoring. Without De Gea, this would have been 3 or even 4-0.
 

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  • Man Utd win
  • PSG win
  • Draw

Detailed Results

  • 27% Man Utd 2:1 PSG
  • 18% Man Utd 2:0 PSG
  • 16% Man Utd 3:1 PSG
  • 9% Man Utd 3:0 PSG
  • 7% Man Utd 1:1 PSG
  • 5% Man Utd 1:0 PSG
  • 5% Man Utd 2:2 PSG
  • 2% Man Utd 1:2 PSG
  • 2% Man Utd 3:2 PSG
  • 1% Man Utd 5:0 PSG
  • 1% Man Utd 4:0 PSG
  • 1% Man Utd 1:3 PSG
  • 1% Man Utd 0:0 PSG
  • 1% Man Utd 4:1 PSG
  • 1% Man Utd 0:2 PSG
  • 1% Man Utd 0:1 PSG
  • 1% Man Utd 4:2 PSG
  • 1% Man Utd 0:4 PSG
  • 1% Man Utd 3:3 PSG
  • 0% Man Utd 2:3 PSG
  • 0% Man Utd 4:3 PSG
  • 0% Man Utd 0:3 PSG
  • 0% Man Utd 1:4 PSG
  • 0% Man Utd 5:2 PSG
  • 0% Man Utd 0:5 PSG
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  1. Man Utd
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Possession
44% 56%
Shots
10 12
Shots on Target
1 5
Corners
3 5
Fouls
17 7

Referee

Daniele Orsato