Shamima Begum, IS teen wants to come back to the UK
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Yeah, i get that. I just know that bringing her back to UK will be used as great propaganda for both radical islamist groups and far right groups.
Doesn’t deserve to come back, made her bed now she has to accept the consequences of her actions.
I just said that even terrorists should be given due process and have the law applied to them. And I won't finish with "or else they already won" because it's far too cliché...
In what way was that insensible?
Can anyone explain how she would be able to come back if she has no passport?
Does Britain still have an embassy or diplomatic presence in Syria? Would Turkey or Iraq let her in where she would be able to visit a British Embassy? It seems like she's stranded there unless she gets major support, and the government is under no obligation to provide it.
Does Britain still have an embassy or diplomatic presence in Syria? Would Turkey or Iraq let her in where she would be able to visit a British Embassy? It seems like she's stranded there unless she gets major support, and the government is under no obligation to provide it.
Nah, she can stay where she is.
Is the government obliged to issue her with a passport just because she’s technically a citizen? They took away the passports of people like Anjem Choudary and friends to prevent them going over there. If she can’t get a passport from a British embassy she’s fecked unless the public mood in the UK shifts drastically.
Would her return be an issue if she was white? Asking for a friend.
If unrepentant, then I'd assume so. Nobody likes IS fighters, white or otherwise.
Really doubt anybody in Britain would welcome the return of Samantha Lewthwaite, or Sally Jones when she was alive.
Yes. Look up the “white widow”. Wife of London bomber Germaine Lindsay who was part of the July 2005 bombings.
Edit: 2cents has done it for me.
Isn't she technically a British immigrant to Syria? What if Syria kick her out? Why should anyone else be obliged to take on a British terrorist just because she isn't wanted at home?
Can absolutely sympathies with anyone who doesn't want her back, but it's not as if she isn't a danger in another country...
Can absolutely sympathies with anyone who doesn't want her back, but it's not as if she isn't a danger in another country...
Great post. You've changed my initial repsonse to the whole situation (which was rage).
Yeah but how volatile is the situation over there? We see towns being won and lost several times, who knows if ISIS won't have her in the near future. I'd be very careful about what I'd say if I was there. Especially knowing that my face would be all over western media. Maybe she's actually loyal to ISIS, I don't know, but either way that can be changed in prison/rehabilitation. If she maintained her loyalty after years in the UK then she would be considered a danger to national security and kept in prison.
I don't see her words as a good reason to abandon her.
No special effort should be made to rescue her, but her citizenship should not be arbitrarily yanked. Others have made the point that she has not crossed the deliberately high threshold of waging war against Britain.
If she comes back, or surrenders herself to an embassy abroad, try and sentence her accordingly.
If she comes back, or surrenders herself to an embassy abroad, try and sentence her accordingly.
There is an ongoing story in Portugal very similar. A woman went to Syria with her boyfriend, who died after a few months. She stayed there, pregnant, with a group of fighters. Now she's in a refugee cam and wants to return. First reaction is "feck her, she wanted to fight for them, now assume the consequences".
But then I start thinking about what a fecked up situation must be to be convinced to join a terrorist group when you're a teen, go to a warzone, get pregnant, be used as a sex slave (even though sometimes these women don't see it that way, it's what's happening) and now be desperate in a foreign country fearing for the life of your child. Even if this woman is pure evil, if there's a chance, even tiny, to make her pay for her crimes and try to rehabilitate her, then we should try.
She can go feck herself. Shouldn't be allowed back in unless it was safer to bring her home and give her life in prison.
I think life sentences are appropriate measures for these people that manage to wangle themselves back into the country. Members of the public should not be at risk of being blown up because this woman has been allowed to piss about in a British jail for six years and wage war upon release. Because that's the risk.
In an ideal world she won't make it back at all.
In an ideal world she won't make it back at all.
My issue is the child, by joining an enemy combatant she has given up her rights as a citizen for me(whether or not legally that's how it works is a different matter), but the child is blameless. ultimately that child needs to be repatriated back the uk, coudnt give a feck what happens to her frankly, given she shows no remorse.
Agree with this.
Also think it's entirely possible her world views would change if she did come back. She was clearly misled at a vulnerable stage in her life. Understanding why she was compelled to travel to a war zone at the age of 15 is an intricate topic, but aiding in completing a 360 and reintegration into British society would only be a good thing (after appropriate punishment).
Didn't she say she regretted nothing in an interview? That's what I find most worrying.
How can the child be repatriated to the United Kingdom (it won’t let me type the initial letters because the first letter is apparently text speak!) when it has not been born yet and most likely will be born abroad? Repatriate means to send someone back to their own country. As it stands at the moment it’s country of birth will most likely be Syria.
The mother is British, therefore the child is British
The child will be born a British citizen, being son/daughter of a British citizen.
Father is Dutch.
The child will be a British citizen but will also be a citizen of whatever country they are born in - presuming that's not going to be Britain then would the UK be expected to ensure the child comes here when they are in another country of which they are a citizen?
My attitude would be shes not welcome back. If she showed up regardless? I guess you'd be stuck dealing with her. Has she technically commited any crime? I guess i'd have child protection and anti terrorism breathing down her neck 24/7 but i wouldn't go out of my way to punish her. Ignoring her would probably be a more appropriate response, why stoop to their level?
Seems quite complex doesn’t it. If she was white would there be any doubt of her being allowed back?
Obviously I’m thinking feck her. But technically speaking she is British. Could we not let her back and trial her for treason?
Obviously I’m thinking feck her. But technically speaking she is British. Could we not let her back and trial her for treason?
That’s already been answered....on this page.
Not this again. White girl Sally Jones got droned.
These stories are gonna be emerging for a while:
Feck her. She can live with the consequences of her actions. She wants to come back so her child can be born on the NHS and paid for and looked after? All because ISIS has more or less lost its jihad war. Imagine if ISIS were winning though? Would she be coming back then? Nah, she’d be cutting our heads off with the rest of em. Feck her.
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Made her bed; let her lie in it.
Shows no remorse; the interview with her regarding the decapitated heads is sociopathic.
Shows no remorse; the interview with her regarding the decapitated heads is sociopathic.
Just because you are born in a country it doesn’t mean you automatically get citizenship, it depends on the law of the country of birth. For example in the UK, even if you are born there if your parents aren’t British you don’t get citizenship.