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[Carolina Red]

The UK is the 5th largest economy in the world (After US / China / Japan / Germany) it's a big enough market. If South Korea (11th) and Canada (10th) can strike good deals, the UK will be fine.

1) and the Good Friday Agreement political landmine?

2) The UK is 9th based on recent GDP PPP numbers. Also, South Korea is a techno giant and Canada has loads of oil and NAFTA.

3) You have 40 deals negotiated through the EU that are set to fall through. You’ve secured 6 of those at this point. Israel, the Palestinian Authority, Switzerland, Eastern and Southern Africa, and Chile.

 

[4bars]

No, the GFA agreement needs a suitable bi-lateral agreement between the UK and Ireland.

Ireland can't have bilateral agreements on movement as member of the EU.

 

[foolsgold]

Ireland can't have bilateral agreements on movement as member of the EU.

Not our problem. Something for the EU & Ireland to sort out.

To be blunt saying the UK can't set its own trade and immigration polices because some terrorists in South Armagh wouldn't like it and would plant some bombs isn't acceptable. It's pandering to the threat of violence. No nation can operate on that basis.

 

[Sweet Square]

Not our problem. Something for the EU & Ireland to sort out.

To be blunt saying the UK can't set its own trade and immigration polices because some terrorists in South Armagh wouldn't like it and would plant some bombs isn't acceptable. It's pandering to the threat of violence. No nation can operate on that basis.

 

[sun_tzu]

Cross party co-operation & soft Brexit seems a likely solution, albeit full of fudges and compromise.

Logically yes...
Politically I wouldn't be surprised to see may roll the dice on a general election though if she is forced to ask for an extension anywsy

That said another ge could well end up with a hung parliament and the need to co-operate anyway?

 

[Eire Red United]

Not our problem. Something for the EU & Ireland to sort out.

To be blunt saying the UK can't set its own trade and immigration polices because some terrorists in South Armagh wouldn't like it and would plant some bombs isn't acceptable. It's pandering to the threat of violence. No nation can operate on that basis.

Jaysus you haven’t a clue.

 

[pacifictheme]

Not our problem. Something for the EU & Ireland to sort out.

To be blunt saying the UK can't set its own trade and immigration polices because some terrorists in South Armagh wouldn't like it and would plant some bombs isn't acceptable. It's pandering to the threat of violence. No nation can operate on that basis.

This is one of the most ignorant posts i've seen outside of the daily mail website.

 

[Penna]

I was reading some comments from interviews with "man and woman on the street" yesterday. One older couple said "We can stand alone, there's rabbits in the fields, we can plant potatoes in the back gardens". Blitz spirit and all that.

Ironically, they were on their way to a holiday in Austria.

 

[foolsgold]

This is one of the most ignorant posts i've seen outside of the daily mail website.

Care to explain why you think the UK should be unable to set trade and immigration policies for fear of upsets terrorists ?

 

[sun_tzu]

Care to explain why you think the UK should be unable to set trade and immigration policies for fear of upsets terrorists ?

Because it would be in breach of a pre existing international treaty namely the good Friday agreement?

Unless they can find a solution that prevents a return to a hard boarder... Which currently nobody seems able to.

 

[sun_tzu]

I was reading some comments from interviews with "man and woman on the street" yesterday. One older couple said "We can stand alone, there's rabbits in the fields, we can plant potatoes in the back gardens". Blitz spirit and all that.

Ironically, they were on their way to a holiday in Austria.

Blitz spirit.. AHH yes... From the same country who had to get the police on the national news to ask people to stop calling them because KFC had no chicken...

It really is something when Donald trump can be in power yet our own government manages to be more shambolic

 

[sun_tzu]

Did the UK just announce that they won't reintroduce border checks in ni in the event of no deal

Might have heard it wrong on the radio... But erm isn't there WTO obligations etc that say we have to?

Edit... Yes they did... Calling it a temporary solution
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47551266

 

[Massive Spanner]

Not our problem. Something for the EU & Ireland to sort out.

To be blunt saying the UK can't set its own trade and immigration polices because some terrorists in South Armagh wouldn't like it and would plant some bombs isn't acceptable. It's pandering to the threat of violence. No nation can operate on that basis.

My god. Ignorance of the highest order.

 

[pacifictheme]

Because it would be in breach of a pre existing international treaty namely the good Friday agreement?

Unless they can find a solution that prevents a return to a hard boarder... Which currently nobody seems able to.

Yeh but teroristz!!! Brexit means brexit.

 

[JPRouve]

Care to explain why you think the UK should be unable to set trade and immigration policies for fear of upsets terrorists ?

The UK set their own immigration policies. As for the trade part, the UK set trade deals alongside 27 other countries which forms a markets of 500m consumers and much stronger position against other big trading blocks. Now if the UK wants to leave and make trade deals by themselves there is no problem but there are practical consequences to that.

 

[Massive Spanner]

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0313/1036033-brexit/

The UK will not introduce any new checks or controls on goods moving across the land border into Northern Ireland if the UK leaves the European Union without a deal, it has been announced.

...

However, tariffs will be payable on goods moving from the EU into the rest of the UK via Northern Ireland under a schedule of rates also released on Wednesday.

So basically it's half way towards the Northern Irish backstop without the 'backstop' title then, at least on the UK's side? I assume the EU won't accept this though and will enforce their tariffs, under law, you know, that thing that's legally binding. It's also all well and good that goods can move freely, but it solves nothing with people.

 

[devilish]

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0313/1036033-brexit/



So basically it's half way towards the Northern Irish backstop without the 'backstop' title then, at least on the UK's side? I assume the EU won't accept this though and will enforce their tariffs, under law, you know, that thing that's legally binding. It's also all well and good that goods can move freely, but it solves nothing with people.

Under wto terms the UK can either impose tariffs on everybody or to nobody.

 

[Giant Midget]

 

[Adisa]

We'd be breaking WTO rules and the EU won't do the same.
There are no words to explain what a clusterfeck this is.

 

[11101]

Is a process of elimination

May's Deal is out of the table

Next they will vote "No Deal" out of the table

They will not be able to extend because the EU will not agree

The only possible outcome it will be revoke Article 50. They will do it with lies, excuses, saying that they will trigger it again, they will kick the can down the streeet, they will do a new GE and/or referendum, will go Remain and it will be just remembered as one of the most pathetic moments in european politics

We can hope.

When you see how much blue was on one side of the deal vote and how much red was on the other side you realise how much it was all about career and party politics and how little they all care about getting the country out of this mess. The only thing they will ever agree to do is nothing, and roll back the whole thing.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

If Brexit gets cancelled the Tories will forever be able to blame Labour for not voting the May's deal through.

 

[golden_blunder]

So Suarez moves back to Liverpool then?

No, post wasteland brexit, England will tighten its immigration further to a no foreigners rule. Those who don’t choose to leave will be put to work down recently reopened coal mines

 

[4bars]

We can hope.

When you see how much blue was on one side of the deal vote and how much red was on the other side you realise how much it was all about career and party politics and how little they all care about getting the country out of this mess. The only thing they will ever agree to do is nothing, and roll back the whole thing.

That's why I am saying they will revoke article 50 because doing it, they will be able to go on and on and on with the brexit without something really happening

They will revoke it saying that they will need more time but FOR SURE they will have Brexit, don't fred, etc... and kicking the can over an over. Meanwhile, till they decide or not to invoke it again, it will be plenty of time to do GE and/or referendum of how you want your brexit, and more BS about it while they will perpetuate in their sits...but you still will be in the EU.

Of course is only my opinion and how I see it. Will know in less than 3 weeks

 

[4bars]

Not our problem. Something for the EU & Ireland to sort out.

To be blunt saying the UK can't set its own trade and immigration polices because some terrorists in South Armagh wouldn't like it and would plant some bombs isn't acceptable. It's pandering to the threat of violence. No nation can operate on that basis.

How lame is that answer?

First you said that it would need a bilateral agreement between UK and Ireland.
for BILATERAL agreement, both parties needs to agree, and Ireland can't agree, so no. Is not Ireland and EU problem, is UK problem as well, because remember is BILATERAL. So that will never happen

And the GFA is an international treaty that the UK, Ireland through the EU signed and is the unilateral decision of the UK that can break this deal as is the UK, not the EU that wants to eliminate the 4 freedoms.

The EU is more than happy to respect the GFA and give the 4 freedoms (freedom of movement included) to the UK, is the UK that doesn't want FoM (and the other 3 that goes with the pack) and that alone means violating the GFA.

So no, is not the EU and Ireland to figure it out as is the UK that is breaking the GFA

Of course, you don't give a feck, but YOU not giving a feck, doesn't mean that others from the same country as you can give a feck, the same country that is betraying them and breaking such a deal

And without the menace of terrorism, still breaking a deal that most of the NI population that hey! news to you! they are not terrorist, they don't want to happen

To not speak that ending unilaterally a international treaty would make to the UK international prestige and their future treaties and FTA that you pretend to strike alone

 

[Woodzy]

I don’t really understand much of this stuff but is it actually possible that we could leave without a deal at the end of the month?

 

[The Cat]

I am really bored of all this now.

Whatever happens can it just happen now please?

 

[Massive Spanner]

I don’t really understand much of this stuff but is it actually possible that we could leave without a deal at the end of the month?

Well there's a vote on it tonight.

It's impossible to say at this point. I think (or maybe blindly hope) there will either be an extension followed by a GE or the government will have to revoke A50. But a lot of politicians are saying no deal is likely now.

 

[Buster15]

Not our problem. Something for the EU & Ireland to sort out.

To be blunt saying the UK can't set its own trade and immigration polices because some terrorists in South Armagh wouldn't like it and would plant some bombs isn't acceptable. It's pandering to the threat of violence. No nation can operate on that basis.

You really don't understand!!

 

[Stanley Road]

Well there's a vote on it tonight.

It's impossible to say at this point. I think (or maybe blindly hope) there will either be an extension followed by a GE or the government will have to revoke A50. But a lot of politicians are saying no deal is likely now.

Don't see the point in a GE, Tories need to own this mess to the very end and hopefully the outcome will be so bad they will cease to exist.

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

Could someone explain the logic in only extending the deadline to before the EU elections?

It's not like British politicians have a great record for getting things done speedily. We just took two months to ratify three words in a solution that originally got voted down by the biggest UK parliamentary margin ever … to see it get again voted down by the fourth biggest margin.

We all know that May was running down the clock hoping that the hard-liners would take her deal over no deal and a possible new referendum … her gamble (with the lives and futures of the people of Britain) backfired.

I understand the reluctance to extend past the EU elections is to avoid "looking" like Britain are planning in case of an eventual remain position by putting forward candidates … but isn't that the sensible thing to do?

Surely, if we do eventually remain, we will want to address concerns about the EU from "with-in". It's time we took the EU seriously and sent "proper" politicians out there. If we do end up staying we will be weaker than ever otherwise.

Or have I got this wrong … again

 

[Massive Spanner]

Don't see the point in a GE, Tories need to own this mess to the very end and hopefully the outcome will be so bad they will cease to exist.

What's the point in anything the Tories have done?

 

[Penna]

I don’t really understand much of this stuff but is it actually possible that we could leave without a deal at the end of the month?

It could happen, because at the moment we have a law in place which says we will. That law would have to be changed (the revoking of Article 50). If today's vote confirms that no deal is off the table (which it will) but then nothing else happens before the 29th March, we'd still leave with no deal.

The extension to Article 50 (i.e., asking the EU for more time) has to be agreed by every other EU member state. It also has to be tied to a serious plan to get a deal through Parliament, for something new. Mrs May's twice-rejected deal would have to change, and the EU have said they aren't going to enter into further negotiations on that. So, something new is required.

 

[Robbo's Shoulder]

So Suarez moves back to Liverpool then?

Nah, it will be his lad by then, Jung Bitar Saurez

 

[Siorac]

If Brexit gets cancelled the Tories will forever be able to blame Labour for not voting the May's deal through.

How though? Don't they have a majority? If all Conservatives had voted for the deal, it would have gone through, wouldn't it?

 

[KirkDuyt]

I love the British parliament scenes on the news. People just outright laugh in someone's face most of the time. It's hilariously rude.

 

[Honest John]

Question. Is leaving without a deal a breach of the GFA?

 

[Kentonio]

Question. Is leaving without a deal a breach of the GFA?

Yup.

 

[Smores]

Question. Is leaving without a deal a breach of the GFA?

I'm probably wrong but i don't think it is by itself. It's the arrangements to comply with everything else that would end up resulting in a conflict (figuratively and literally).

 

[Honest John]

Yup.

So in a sense no deal is legally not an option for the UK?

 

[Kentonio]

The extension to Article 50 (i.e., asking the EU for more time) has to be agreed by every other EU member state.

It's also extremely worrying how UK politicians don't seem to see any danger in re-opening negotiations with the 27. The deal they have now was hard fought and Spain almost derailed the whole thing at the last minute. What exactly do they expect is going to happen if they have to go back to the EU with a begging request for more time, while our backs are firmly up against the wall? It's an unbelievable mess.