Gove, Hunt and Lidington mentioned as potential interim leaders. Of those three I'm assuming Lidington is the best as I've heard of him the least?
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Gove, Hunt and Lidington mentioned as potential interim leaders. Of those three I'm assuming Lidington is the best as I've heard of him the least?
give it 10 minutes until it's end of the year
I'm sure she is going to get booted out but I find it hard to fathom as she just seems to stick around despite all logic.
Not surprising the last few days have been brutal with leaks. There's just no support there for her and the rats are leaving the ship.
I'm also a bit worried it might not lead where we wish. Like when Trump got the nomination and we were all like "lol Dems will smash them".
He's the best of the three by default, but also strikes me as the type the ardent Leavers could easily bully into doing what they want. The only hope would be that he goes straight towards accepting the Kyle-Wilson amendment.
But but this should have been the easiest deal ever cause the EU needs the UK more then the UK needs the EU. Only a mad man would leave the single market .. Prosecco.... German cars....... Cake and eat it
I'm pretty sure it would be gove in the interim... And quite possibly longer term
That said I am not sure she will fall on her own sword so somebody at senior cabinet level is going to have to "gertonwithit" if they want her gone soon and publicly call for her to go
That said I am not sure she will fall on her own sword so somebody at senior cabinet level is going to have to "gertonwithit" if they want her gone soon and publicly call for her to go
Where have I heard this before
Also it would destroy the tory party, so I can't see it happening.
Also it would destroy the tory party, so I can't see it happening.
Or part of the 50 million people in the UK who didn't vote to leave.
Even if that is true the truly staggering part of all this is that we went down the A50 path before we had any clue about the practicalities of leaving with or without a deal.
The deal on offer is very generous from the EU's perspective.
I'm not sure that is what all those in favor of remaining are saying. Although it is a good point, well made.
She's been hinting for months she's been preparing to resign. Just please not Gove, British politics is depressing enough as it is. 
I'm not sure being the person May nominates is really a positive at the moment. Then again I've a standing bet on Gove, I'm a little biased.
Replacing May with another Tory is like replacing Stuart Houston with Stuart Houston.
Either way you're getting someone who consistently votes to increase VAT, reduce disability benefits, give more autonomy to banks and basically say "feck you" to anyone who makes less than £150k a year.
Why make up a scenario then hope the weather was bad to sort out the made up scenario?
Is there a difference between making up a scenario and worrying about a possibility? Maybe there is, I don't know. In any event it's passed off peacefully as far as I know, and I hope all such things do so in future. I suspect you might have knee-jerked against my post thinking I was being anti-Remain, if so you're barking up the wrong tree, I was genuinely hoping the marchers didn't 'cock it up'.
As one of the nearly 700,000 UK citizens living abroad for more than 15 years (the majority within the EU) who were all refused a say in the BREXIT referendum I would like to say a huge thank you to all the people who marched in London and around Britain yesterday in support of a peoples vote.
It was one of the most amazing scenes that I have witnessed for a long time and one I sorely wish I could have been a part of, as planned. but could not due to family reasons (which probably explains why I posted so much on here yesterday … sorry once again if my thread-bombing annoyed anyone).
If the British voting rules were revised to be more in line with those of most other developed countries, in terms of a country's citizens living abroad having a say in these important decisions, that small win margin in 2016 would have been a lot smaller.
I will be drastically affected by the outcome of the original opinion poll if it is ratified - which makes it all the more frustrating that I was not given a say in the matter.
Well done!
I know opinion on here is probably divided so I'll leave it there.
It was one of the most amazing scenes that I have witnessed for a long time and one I sorely wish I could have been a part of, as planned. but could not due to family reasons (which probably explains why I posted so much on here yesterday … sorry once again if my thread-bombing annoyed anyone).
If the British voting rules were revised to be more in line with those of most other developed countries, in terms of a country's citizens living abroad having a say in these important decisions, that small win margin in 2016 would have been a lot smaller.
I will be drastically affected by the outcome of the original opinion poll if it is ratified - which makes it all the more frustrating that I was not given a say in the matter.
Well done!
I know opinion on here is probably divided so I'll leave it there.
Look at this mess ffs!
Or a Tory as we call them.
Greatest con trick of all time is getting middle and working class people to vote for right wingers who in no way have their best interests at heart. It is the same in the US and Australia and I just can't understand it.
:lol;
Yet somewhat amazingly they could be replacing Stewart Houston with an even worse version of Stewart Houston.
Why the insinuation that violent protest is typically fascist? Rioting is a means to an end for extreme right wingers, but never the left? Rioters come from all over the political spectrum, let’s not try & dress it up differently.
In ‘81 there were riots in cities in several cities in the UK that were definitely NOT fascist. Same in Brixton in ‘85. Ditto the Poll Tax riots in 1990. What about the riots of 2011? How about the Yellow Vests in France at the moment? Are they Fascists?
That said, glad yesterday passed without major incident.
In ‘81 there were riots in cities in several cities in the UK that were definitely NOT fascist. Same in Brixton in ‘85. Ditto the Poll Tax riots in 1990. What about the riots of 2011? How about the Yellow Vests in France at the moment? Are they Fascists?
That said, glad yesterday passed without major incident.
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My only issue with that is why should it take 6 months to get the representation? Why can't they do it over the course of a vote? The problem here isn't the remainers or leavers who turned up to vote, the problem is those who didn't turn up at all, those who assumed that remain would be the result.
That the Tories worst nightmare is a PM who would do a deal with Labour just shows how bad things are. These guys will never put country above party. Victor Orban is right.
Everything is going to be alright, Uri Geller is going to stop Brexit telepathically.
As opposed to Labour who will drive the country in to mountains of debt to get a following?
Don't try to pretend it's a one way thing!
Its pretty shambolic all round to be frank. I think this is the biggest crisis in this country since WW2 (and WW1 before that) when we had a national government of sorts and the problem is that many of our MPs, and more importantly our party leaders, are still playing party political games.
The feck off great lump on the right hand side is the Tories last decade. The small dip and subsequent small rise is the last Labour government decade.
Let's also remember that this was a period of Austerity inflicted on us by the Tories.
Cuts to the Police, cuts to the NHS, cuts to Education... of course cuts to the corporations and super rich too.
That is my whole point, it was blinding obvious from the start that there never could be a 'good deal' because; a) that would have laid the EU open to a number of other requests to leave the club from others; b) A point well made by the EU and others, was that you can't have the same situation outside the club as being a member.
Hence the UK Government should, if it wanted to honour the results of the referendum, have given notice via A50 that it was leaving and spent the next 2 years making contingency plans for a 'No deal' scenario in the UK. There was IMO never any prospect of a 'good deal,' the withdrawal agreement favours only the EU (naturally), because they always insisted they couldn't discuss trade until we left the EU, so the priority for us was to leave, then see what terms for trade we could get, balancing the needs of our exporters, with those who import from the EU, as we will finish up having to do, if we leave (deal or no deal).
There is one thing that I don't like about your post, it's that you state that there isn't a good deal when the good deal is EU full membership. It's that simple, after 3 years people need to start being honest and stop the nonsense about the EU not giving the best deal, the best deal is already in your possession that's what the UK decided to throw away.
Once we were out of the EU, it would be a lot easier because of this situation and the starting negotiation stance would have changed, i.e. as it currently stands the UK meets the EU's regulations/standards etc.
The idea the EU would just roll over and we could have our cake and eat it was a nonsense, just as much as Project Fear was
The UKs main leverage is those 39b. Once that goes out of the window and the EU is forced to adapt to it then there is little incentive for the EU to offer a good trade deal. The UK will be this pariah who can't keep its word, it refused to pay its bills and has forced a hard border between the ROI and NR
Under such circumstance the EU willl be better off disrupting UK based businesses so they will have no choice but to move to mainland Europe. A huge recession in the UK might push voters to push to return in the EU, yet another huge incentive
With the UK desperate to sign trade deals with the US, China and Co, the standards will have to drop giving the EU more reason to drag its feet No one wants the crap the Brits will be eating to enter the single market
Ps project fear is swiftly becoming project reality
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it's basically like having a Ferrari, and someone offers to trade your Ferrari for a Lada. Sure, the Lada still works, it still functions in a way, and can do the basics of the Ferrari, but if you accept that Lada, you are truly a stupid cnut.
The real cause of brexit. And it's going to get worse.
Heh. Ireland isn't even on that list. Probably because our "GDP" figures are about twice the size of our real GDP.
Was chatting to a guy in Mauritius a few days ago that said who cares about the EU, they don't represent what the UK are, they're a colonial power, they'll just lean on their commonwealth friends and everything'll be fine. His views were oddly explicit but you get that undercurrent from a lot of folks on the leave side, even in the highest positions. Who needs our neighbours, we're too powerful to worry about little things like that. The economic facts are entirely irrelevant.
I hadn't realised the UK was not even in control of the article 50 exit date. I'd never seen this mentioned before:
https://publiclawforeveryone.com/2019/03/23/extending-article-50-separating-myth-and-legal-reality/
There is actually no way of the UK leaving the EU on WTO or without a deal unless they allow us to. They can just extend the exit date, forever if needed without even consulting us.
That puts the negotiations in a whole new light as well. I would say definitively it is impossible to leave the EU (without permission) by using article 50. The only way of actually leaving and having it in our own hands, would be to repeal the treaties binding us in international law first.
https://publiclawforeveryone.com/2019/03/23/extending-article-50-separating-myth-and-legal-reality/
There is actually no way of the UK leaving the EU on WTO or without a deal unless they allow us to. They can just extend the exit date, forever if needed without even consulting us.
That puts the negotiations in a whole new light as well. I would say definitively it is impossible to leave the EU (without permission) by using article 50. The only way of actually leaving and having it in our own hands, would be to repeal the treaties binding us in international law first.
Not if you voted leave its not... isn't that the whole point? Leavers for whatever reason (and there seems to have been many and varied for leaving) were not on the whole driven by the economics of EU membership, which most leavers probably felt didn't favour them anyway, they were voting for other things. Most who voted remain seem to have only voted to remain because of the worry of damage to the economy (this point is not clear at the moment but seems to be the accepted position)
My argument is that after the referendum the Government should be honest and say "look whilst we are still a member of the EU we can't get a 'good deal' so if the majority want us to leave, then we leave with No deal and then start to negotiate once we are out. The fact that we are currently compatible with EU Regs and standards give us a chance; at negotiating a 'good deal outcome', to have control over our affairs and to negotiate freely for trade deals, not only with the EU (which wont be on as good a terms as now) but can be attainable in a balanced trade policy.
They didn't do that, May clung to the belief she could satisfy everybody and finished up satisfying nobody. Theresa should go now, have a long extension to A50 and allow a new PM to try again.