The Mueller Report

What do the "I told you so" people know that the rest of us don't? Literally the only thing we know is that Mueller does not recommend indicting anyone else. Did anyone really expect Mueller to recommend indicting Trump? The Justice Department doesn't even think it's possible. For all we know, the report might go into detail about criminal acts committed by Trump, and end with "but a sitting president can not be indicted by the Justice Department, so here you go Congress."

I think there's a good chance some very vocal people in this thread are going to feel a little bit stupid in the not-so-distant future.
 
What do the "I told you so" people know that the rest of us don't? Literally the only thing we know is that Mueller does not recommend indicting anyone else. Did anyone really expect Mueller to recommend indicting Trump? The Justice Department doesn't even think it's possible. For all we know, the report might go into detail about criminal acts committed by Trump, and end with "but a sitting president can not be indicted by the Justice Department, so here you go Congress."

I think there's a good chance some very vocal people in this thread are going to feel a little bit stupid in the not-so-distant future.
If you factor in what is already known -

Russia had multiple well-funded operations to disrupt the 2016 election process in the US. There were high-ranking members of the Trump campaign, surrogates, and advisers at the very least aware of some of these efforts including the release of stolen DNC emails. Many of them were benefitting personally from these efforts, as well as understanding it was ultimately undertaken to help elect Donald Trump. As far as we know, neither they nor anyone else on the campaign made any effort to stop these activities or alert any authorities.

- then I don't think you can reasonably conclude that the report will be the end of it. But reading the full thing is going to be imperative to understanding how what we know and what we don't know all fit together.
 
Well...considering that there is supposedly nothing “substantial” in the Mueller report and it’s nothing more than a “damp squib” Barr sure is struggling to provide a summary for Congress and Trump sure is struggling to type “No Collusion from you favourite President” into Twitter.

Perhaps after all the squib is not so damp and there is something substantial in there. Only time will tell. If we get a lot of Trump distractions next week that may give us a clue to quality of content.
 
Well...considering that there is supposedly nothing “substantial” in the Mueller report and it’s nothing more than a “damp squib” Barr sure is struggling to provide a summary for Congress and Trump sure is struggling to type “No Collusion from you favourite President” into Twitter.

Perhaps after all the squib is not so damp and there is something substantial in there. Only time will tell. If we get a lot of Trump distractions next week that may give us a clue to quality of content.

Huh? Barr got the report yesterday. He's already said that he's going to provide the summary to Congress shortly, possibly even this weekend, but you didn't expect it to happen in 24 hours, did you? There's an actual process to go through, regardless of where he stands.
 
Huh? Barr got the report yesterday. He's already said that he's going to provide the summary to Congress shortly, possibly even this weekend, but you didn't expect it to happen in 24 hours, did you? There's an actual process to go through, regardless of where he stands.
Congress thought they were getting it by 5 pm today. Barr got it on Friday.

 
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What do the "I told you so" people know that the rest of us don't? Literally the only thing we know is that Mueller does not recommend indicting anyone else. Did anyone really expect Mueller to recommend indicting Trump? The Justice Department doesn't even think it's possible. For all we know, the report might go into detail about criminal acts committed by Trump, and end with "but a sitting president can not be indicted by the Justice Department, so here you go Congress."

I think there's a good chance some very vocal people in this thread are going to feel a little bit stupid in the not-so-distant future.

They know no more than the rest of us do. All we do know is that there will be no more indictments based on an anonymous DOJ source informing the media, which whether true or not, isn't really saying much since we already knew it was against DOJ policy to indict a sitting President. So if true, all that means are the likes of Kushner and Don Jr aren't getting indicted. It says nothing about Trump himself and whether Mueller concluded he colluded with the Russians, it also doesn't say whether Mueller concluded Trump obstructed justice. That's why its best to wait until the actual report is released.
 
I don't feel the same way Pexbo does. I just feel incredibly confused that it's done when there are so much more things In limbo. Michael Flynn, Rick Gates, Michael Cowen are still cooperating. The grand jury is still convened, Roger Stone hasn't even started his trial, there are multiple sealed indictments, Jerome Corsi blew up his plee agreement, there are multi people like felix sador, Eric Prince and the entire Saudi links. There is just so much more that I expected to continue. I just find something amiss and wonder why all of this has been farmed out to other justice dept offices .


Edit : how can I forget Bijan Kian. Flynn is to be the star witness in his case. This isn't speculation its matter of fact

We would find out if Mueller was pressured to end the investigation early. If it were reported that some shenanigans were going on, then that will cause a huge backlash.

Its highly unlikely anything untoward did happen though, as Mueller is man of integrity and wouldn't give in to those demands.
 
The Russian collusion thing has always been odd for me. I'm not sure Trump is a Russian agent, but I am sure Russia meddled in the election. I'm also quite sure Trump has made deals with many foreign leaders, deals that go against US laws and also possibly some due to bribed offered to him or because leverage was used against him, be it someone holding compromising info about him or due to financial pressure because he's in debt.

It's clear Trump has multiple personality and mental disorders. He's a megalomaniac who craves adulation and power. He also thinks being President makes him omnipotent and he rants and raves when he's told he hasn't the power to do certain things. I think he's been like a kid in a sweet shop and just gone batshit trying to please as many people as possible, repay debts with policy favours and also line his and his families pockets as much as he can. I also think he's tried to act the big man and talked tough (like with China) just to look good and so he can use it as defence when questioned.

Another issue is how dumb and easily manipulated he is. How much damage has been caused by people putting suggestions in his head? It's also been widely reported he often thinks something and just says it because it sounds good, only to be told he can't do it. He's put many billionaires in positions they want to use for their own benefit and agenda rather than the benefit of the country or world. The stories of people just walking in and out of the White House or Trump giving info out at the Mar-A-Lago dinner table, or him using an unsecured phone... It's just terrifying.

The real damage might never be known or take years to come out, but things that are certain are Trump has had too much to hide. He's stopped visitor logs at the White House, he refuses to do press conferences, he's banned anyone from recording meetings with world leaders like Putin. People in his orbit like Kushner have private meetings with tyrants and have private WhatsApp chats.

Trump has defended dictators and tyrants yet he has argued with and disrespected and pissed off nearly every single ally the US has.

For me, the Mueller enquiry was never really about Russian collusion but more about his obvious other crimes such as witness tampering, ethics violations, emoluments crimes, nepotism, corruption and possibly even treason.

I'm hoping that enough of that has been uncovered and Mueller has just had enough of the constant witch hunt bullshit and has worked out that collusion is either to difficult to prove as Trump has covered his tracks and let others take the fall, or the fact a sitting President can't be indicted and his appointments allow Trump adequate protection so Mueller thinks the best way to get him is by passing it all over to state instead.

The biggest disappointment for me personally is 1. This is just scratching the surface, it's not even 1% of the shit he's done or the damage he's caused. And 2. Is how Trump has been allowed and continues to be allowed to break laws, make laws and lie and cheat and cause havoc without any recourse or any of his powers being inhibited.

But Obama wore a tan suit once..........

If the USA is to recover and move on from this then Trump, his family and anyone else involved all need to be put in prison and people need to be educated so this can never happen again.
 
Poor reply.

The only one invested in a Right/Left narrative is you.
You are bending over backwards to give Trump wiggle room.

McCabe,Brennan and others have said they believe he has subordinated the interests of the United States to Russia.
The only matters that are worth speculating about is why.

That is where further investigations come in. Congress will now need to take the baton from Mueller.

In any discussion to have some validity there needs to be honesty.

It's amazing that you can read what you write and think "yeah, this is a shining example of rationality".

If it is so obviously true, I'm sure it'll be in the Muller report. Like you've been saying for months. No need for the congressional follow-ups. Let's wait and see.
 



Will this be no holds Barred?

Or

Barr for the course?

Or

The best Barr none?

Or

The Barr-necesities of life?
 
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We would find out if Mueller was pressured to end the investigation early. If it were reported that some shenanigans were going on, then that will cause a huge backlash.

Its highly unlikely anything untoward did happen though, as Mueller is man of integrity and wouldn't give in to those demands.
I don't think he was pressured to end it. I just find it odd that he has handed off his cases to DC and has completed his investigation when last week he was fighting with Andrew Miller in court to get testimony from him and has a case pending in supreme Court against a yet to be named foreign company for all their documents.

Now if you have completed an investigation how os it he didn't need to wait on this request for documents and testimony that he has been fighting vigorously for over the last year. He has been fighting to get these things for a long time and then just ups and says feck this I'm out. As I said. Something is amiss.
 
Unless the DOJ wants to protect Trump the report should be released in its entirety to Congress.
It will be released in it’s entirety as long as it doesn’t implicate any of Trump’s family or the GOP.
If it does implicate any of the above then they will only get a “cleansed” summary.
Be interesting to see what they do get.
 
CNN saying Trump/WH haven't been briefed yet on the report. If that's true, then fair play to Barr for holding firm as the WH did want a sneak preview of the report.
 
CNN saying Trump/WH haven't been briefed yet on the report. If that's true, then fair play to Barr for holding firm as the WH did want a sneak preview of the report.

I assume this is why Trump has stayed silent about it on Twitter. Doesn't want to go on the attack in case it ends up being kind to him.