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Is that pronounced like "A rout"?
Another massive bribe...
There is a big slice of trust attached to the deal I'll admit. But it is a way out. Also I do not subscribe to the notion that all negotiations must be tinged with hatred to the point of verging on war. The DUP - because of their past - are imbuing this situation with just that and it is total over-kill IMO. Taken (calmly) in the round the deal, when looked at properly, is not that bad. It has been hyped up to be hated by the wider population by Parliamentary ultras at both ends. Ken Clarke doesn't have a problem with it and I put a lot of trust in his judgement. This was always going to be a compromise and if we truly wish to call the EU members our friends then we should take them at their word when they say that they have, equally, no desire to persist with a backstop any longer than absolutely necessary.
Labour are stopping this for totally political reasons.
Just some actual questioning of these people is an actual improvement over the last three years.
Is there any article or reading material which deals with the economic impact of a no deal brexit from EU's point of view and why it would be in EU's interest to have a deal agreed with Britain prior to their exit?
Will there be unrest from the leavers today.Or just a shrug of the shoulders.
What a load of bullshit. Putting party before country would be them voting for the WA today. There's no hypocrisy they stood on a platform of stopping a disastrous brexit and they don't want to step off the cliff before they know if there's rocks underneath.
The easy and electable route is for Labour to vote it through. They'll be punished for voting against something they agree with because the public are dim and can't think two steps ahead.
It's not really exhaustive but it gives you an idea.
https://www.ft.com/content/a8f4f0ec-8bcd-11e8-b18d-0181731a0340
I cant think of anything specific but it has been discussed a lot as one part of a broader issue.
The countries closest to the UK suffer the most. What the Brexiters said in the campaign about German cars and French wine was true in the sense that they stand to lose a significant part of their market, they were just wrong that this would be decisive and lead to political capitulation. There are charts like this that show the direct impact in numbers:
The biggest issue is Ireland. And having an economic basket case on your doorstep is never good news, so they want to try and find a balance between making sure we are worse off outside the EU, but not so badly off that it becomes destabilising.
Britain and Ireland will be the worst effected, but the rest of the EU will also take an almighty hit.
IMF warnings on economic damage to EU in the event of no deal:
https://amp.theguardian.com/busines...t-would-harm-all-european-countries-warns-imf
NYT article on the vulnerability of different EU regions in a no deal scenario:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/02/07/world/europe/brexit-impact-on-european-union.html
Eir-eallyhatetheeu
I thought the EU said they'd extend the deadline for a couple of weeks, only if May's deal was voted for?
The best outcome for Labour was always to vote against Mays deal but for it to pass anyway. Then they could continue to make their ambiguous pitch to both Remainers and Brexiters.
Ironically their success in the GE has complicated things. Now we’ve ended up with a situation where their votes actually matter in the house and it looks unlikely any Tory vote could pass without their support. They can kick the can down the road for as long as they like by pushing for further A50 extensions, even perhaps forcing a GE. But with things balanced as they are it looks like one day they’ll be forced to choose between voting for a Tory Deal or defaulting to a No Deal.
Loved this quote found in the Graun 
On Thursday night Newsnight reported that a cabinet minister, when asked why May was pressing ahead with another vote she was sure she would lose, replied: “feck knows, I am past caring. It’s like the living dead in here.”
On Thursday night Newsnight reported that a cabinet minister, when asked why May was pressing ahead with another vote she was sure she would lose, replied: “feck knows, I am past caring. It’s like the living dead in here.”
Shouldn't it be 'Happy Groundhog' day?
Another day in Parliament (and probably again on Monday) when the majority of MP's will hold their noses and vote a particular way, for a so called compromise solution. Some will vote for something because they have been told to by whips; some will vote to thwart the Government or Opposition motions; some will vote with an eye on keeping their seats at the next GE; some will vote to get their own back on their own leadership or individuals within it, and some might actually vote for what they believe in? I do find it strange that those MP's either Leave or Remain, who will vote as their conscience tells them are known in Parliament as the "extremist" element.
For goodness sake what has the UK Political system come to? We have a first past the post/Winner takes it all system which is fine... until there are 'no winners' or until Parliament doesn't wants to recognise any. One thing the Brexit experience has done is to make us aware that we need to put our own house in order, never mind the EU, and when the dust settles, who knows maybe we will?
The extension to 12 April has already been granted. This extension was unconditional.
The extension to 22 May is conditional on the WA being voted through before 11pm today.
I cant think of anything specific but it has been discussed a lot as one part of a broader issue.
The countries closest to the UK suffer the most. What the Brexiters said in the campaign about German cars and French wine was true in the sense that they stand to lose a significant part of their market, they were just wrong that this would be decisive and lead to political capitulation. There are charts like this that show the direct impact in numbers:
The biggest issue is Ireland. And having an economic basket case on your doorstep is never good news, so they want to try and find a balance between making sure we are worse off outside the EU, but not so badly off that it becomes destabilising.
Thanks a lot.
Loved this quote found in the Graun
On Thursday night Newsnight reported that a cabinet minister, when asked why May was pressing ahead with another vote she was sure she would lose, replied: “feck knows, I am past caring. It’s like the living dead in here.”
it's great
If its passed they will get until the 22nd May. presumably to get the legislation etc through and leave orderly.
If its not passed they have until 12th April to go back to Brussels with their next proposed steps. Which at this point look like feck all.
And I don't see greater centralisation as the answer either. It will do nothing to end the disquiet.
I agree, for some, nothing will ever be enough - they don't believe in the EU. But that's not say the EU can continue to ignore the criticism from across Europe of its approach/ideologies - because if they do, the UK's departure will be a precursor rather than an isolated case. Britain may be alone in actively wanting to leave, but they are by no means alone in how alienated they feel by the EU.
It’s irrelevant which arse it came from
The MPs had a chance to find another option on Wednesday, e.g referendum. If Mays deal goes through today, those people have themselves to blame. If this goes through with any Labour MPs, those MPs are giving a blank cheque to Mays successor and will be responsible for the problems that ensue.
So do we think the offer to step down will actually be enough to bring her own party on board with deal? Another thing is that I thought the Speaker of the House already said there can't be a thrid vote on the same deal if no significant changes are introduced?
It's important to keep in mind, however, that even if the number of Eurosceptics grows, they are still a minority. Appeasing the minority out of fear is rarely a wise course of action.
The UK never really bought into the European project. Their vision of the EU is fundamentally different from, well, the actual aims and goals of it as stated in its constitutional documents. I do not believe the entire EU should start moving in a completely different direction simply for the sake of UK exceptionalism.
The assertion that the EU ignores criticism is essentially a meaningless one. What criticism does it ignore? What should it do? Who ignores the criticism? Those critical of it have voices: in the European Parliament, in the Council of the European Union, in the European Council. Its the ministers of national governments that appoint the members of the Commission.
The EU is not some monolithic dictatorial entity, it's just usually how it's depicted in Britain, for some reason. It's made up of its member states. Its governing bodies are made up of the member states' representatives. If those who believe that it should just be a free trade bloc or something similar gain a majority in these institutions, the EU will move toward devolvement. Until then it won't.
That's bullshit. Corbyn could hand May a deal on a piece of paper, then May put's it to parliament and Labour would vote against it. Party politics nothing less. Labour have no cohesive stand on Brexit and neither is it their No. 1 one priority.
Seriously scared her deal will get through now.
Labour MPs have absolutely no back bone
Labour MPs have absolutely no back bone
I'm surprised commentators still seem to regard it as unlikely this deal will pass, it looks to me like it will.
Well it depends on how many actual labour rebels there are. Seems there might not actually be that many maybe max 5-10. There are calculated to be around 25 tories who have switched over. So there is still a significant amount of votes she has to get.
What time's the vote?
I still cannot see this getting through.
Result around half two I heard
cheers
This is like the matchday thread. What is the concern her deal will pass based on? I'm in Thailand on hols and am coming into today's fresh hell cold.
If I have no say in what powers are created and how they are used what difference does it make whether they are made in London or Brussels?
I'm a complete Europhile. I buy into the idea that I can go anywhere in Europe at a split seconds notice. Can work anywhere in Europe or can study anywhere in Europe(even though my years of study are behind me).