Hence why I said “my perception”. I was either very wrong about the UK or Brexit brought out some of the UK’s darker side. I actually think it is both of these. The problem is now it is out there, however it happened, and the UK is quite bit more toxic.
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There was a funny segment on Channel 4 news where they were talking to people hoarding food in their lofts because of the impending Brexit apocalypse.
The interviewer said: 'why are you hoarding all this, its all produced in Britain?'
The reply was: 'I know but we might get in a situation where we get to the shop and they've run out of coconut milk'
Just about sums up the middle class remain hysteria.
This was always the case. Unless the Uk are going to cancel Brexit they've still got to have the withdrawal agreement and these matters have to be resolved at some point.
I realise we're hard-core remainers.
I know many people are bored with it all, but I really think it'll kick off again when we actually leave. Some people are already losing their jobs.Barnier has said they won't talk trade deals until the backstop/border issue is sorted in a no deal scenario.
Yes . The problem is that the impression I get is that the Uk parliament expect to have some kind of trade deal at the moment the UK leaves. If they truly want Brexit, sign the WA and discuss the rest afterwards.
This is pretty much what ive observed from this thread. I voted remain but I similarly got a fair few patronising comments just from saying (and explaining why) I agreed with @Strachans Cigar on a couple of things.
You can look back through my posts in this thread if you dont believe me that I am a remain voter, and I am as passionate about the subject as anyone. A lot of the regulars in this thread however, are in a complete echo chamber where they can collectively nitpick and desperately poke holes in whatever someone else says, and then collectively congratulate themselves whilst questioning why none of the leavers can be bothered to keep responding.
Admittedly I enjoyed watching it at first, clenching my fists and shouting "take that, leaver!" as they got shouted down one by one, but over time (probably due to emotions continuing to rise as the various deadlines have approached/come/gone) it has degenerated from massively biased to simply hostile.
Not making any comment on whether food shortages are likely, but stockpiling food wouldn’t theoretically matter where it came from. If there were sudden shortages of imported goods, there would be a massive increase in demand on domestically produced food, which could easily lead to shortages there too. Given that food has a long production time, that could be a serious issue.
The "problem" with signing the WA, and the reason hard Brexiteers don't want it, is that the only future deal it can lead to is a soft CU+SM type of exit. Because in the WA is clearly outlined the UK and EU's commitment to no border in Ireland. If the GFA wasn't already compelling enough.
That means the possible future options are:
a) Great Britain is out-out but the backstop becomes permanent (NI is in the SM, sovereignty issues ensue)
b) UK agrees a deal with SM access
c) We get stuck in the WA state indefinitely until future technological solution solves the problem.
I think a) is clearly undesirable and c) is really just the same as b) just not ratified as permanent and with no exit mechanisms. So for those that want simply an FTA with the EU and full sovereignty, it's not acceptable.
Obviously these people haven't explained to us what they plan to do with the Irish border, but you know. Details.
Well it wouldn't be a withdrawal agreement after we've already left but yeah i take your point. Same shit different name
Basically just saying they'll need to be a hard border under no deal before we talk, which i guess we did already know
Agreed but there is only one solution to the Irish border without breaking the GFA and that is Northern Ireland being part of the CU and SM. Someone had better make up their mind what they want, which is essentially what the EU is saying.
Yes but the Uk have to sort out the border with or without a deal and with or without a FTA.
Well said @Penna I have just sent off papers that will allow me to live and work in Germany which I have been doing for the last 28 years, the best thing it is going to cost me money to do this I talked today to a guy who used to work for the same company that I do he is a truck driver who has decided to get German Nationality because he often has to drive to Holland and he told me what you have to pay to become German.
25€ for the Naturalisation Test.
140€ for the language test which you have to do regardless of whether you speak fluent German or not.
255€ for the Naturalisation
Which is a grand total of 420€ and getting a permanent residence permit probably around a 100€ despite the fact that I had a permanent residence permit for EWG states that I got in 1996 until the changes due to the EU. In all honesty both the EU and the UK should have from the start discussed and created reciprocal agreements so that EU citizens in the UK and UK citizens in Europe could get either naturalisation or permanent residence with as little fuss and cost as possible and being honest I trust neither to do right by people like us as we are pawns.
Just now I am firmly in the camp on Friday that the EU tells the UK your out go away and sink into obscurity as I am sick, tired and so fed up of this whole farce and will finally know one way or another where I stand, if I wish to visit the UK will I require a visa to travel through Holland etc. etc.
Another thing that has annoyed me is that I never had a vote because I have lived outside of the UK for over 15 years, as long as I possess a British Passport I am a British citizen and as such should have a say.
This is the level of intellect we have to deal with. Can you explain why seasonal workers will no longer be allowed in from eu?
Is one of the central goals of Brexit not the reduction of EU immigration? If so there will be less migrant workers available if Brexiteers get their wish. Obviously.
He said he was going to get them from Russia or Ukraine.
Hang on a minute, I thought all these foreigners were stealing British jobs.
They want foreigners for work but they want them not to be foreign, not to live in Britain, not be near them, not use any resources.
Can someone help me out here, for 'Sainthood' to be conveyed on someone doesn't there have to be proof of a miracle being worked in their name?
Well I suspect Theresa May is about to revoke A50 and blame the hapless Jeremy because he won't sign her deal, hence deliver the miracle required to confirm her sainthood status for Remainers.
In one stroke May will become the Joan of Arc of Remainers; unfortunately for her she will be metaphorically 'burnt at the stake' (removed from office and probably the party) by Tories, who will hence forth refer to her as the Wicked Witch of the West.
There will then follow a GE, which with the interference from the Brexit party (i.e. hoovering up enraged leavers votes) and in so doing undermining the Tories to such an extent that Corbyn will win. Jeremy will then have the unenviable job of trying to implement his wonderful election manifesto but without any money, because there will be a mass exodus of capital and its owners from these shores; hence unable to tax the very rich to fund his plans Jeremy will have to tax the middle income earners and indeed all who haven't enough personal wealth to escape a Marxist (if it moves tax it) Government.
Meanwhile back in the Counties/Shires the Tories are undergoing a 'slash and burn' self-purging and are planning rebirth as a one nation party, devoted to constantly panning from the side-lines everything to do with the EU, thereby reclaiming Farage's Brexit followers to the Tory cause of a true hard-line Brexit, their slogan will be "Boris is at the Wheel".
Well I suspect Theresa May is about to revoke A50 and blame the hapless Jeremy because he won't sign her deal, hence deliver the miracle required to confirm her sainthood status for Remainers.
In one stroke May will become the Joan of Arc of Remainers; unfortunately for her she will be metaphorically 'burnt at the stake' (removed from office and probably the party) by Tories, who will hence forth refer to her as the Wicked Witch of the West.
There will then follow a GE, which with the interference from the Brexit party (i.e. hoovering up enraged leavers votes) and in so doing undermining the Tories to such an extent that Corbyn will win. Jeremy will then have the unenviable job of trying to implement his wonderful election manifesto but without any money, because there will be a mass exodus of capital and its owners from these shores; hence unable to tax the very rich to fund his plans Jeremy will have to tax the middle income earners and indeed all who haven't enough personal wealth to escape a Marxist (if it moves tax it) Government.
Meanwhile back in the Counties/Shires the Tories are undergoing a 'slash and burn' self-purging and are planning rebirth as a one nation party, devoted to constantly panning from the side-lines everything to do with the EU, thereby reclaiming Farage's Brexit followers to the Tory cause of a true hard-line Brexit, their slogan will be "Boris is at the Wheel".
this isn't the stupid fiction thread, it's the stupid thread
It's like being on a revolving football pitch with Brexit, every time a Brexit argument is debunked the goalposts move and eventually end up back where we started. And around we go, again and again and...
Did you miss the part where the EU workers simply stopped coming once their rights and futures were no longer guaranteed? The damage to him is already done.
I find the same in my industry, IT.
I realise we're hard-core remainers.
Already essentially missed out on a new job in the public sector. Basically told I had it, only for it to be delayed until the end of summer. Little birdy who works there told me they're waiting to see what post-Brexit budget is like.
I'm sorry, that's a shame for you. I hope you still get it.
Thanks
I'm looking elsewhere though. Possibly a blessing in disguise as I don't really wanna be in the public sector anymore, but more money while I keep looking would've been nice!The Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, has released a more detailed statement on this evening’s Brexit talks with the government, in which he reiterates that Labour wants to see the prime minister adopt its five key points in order to reach a cross-party deal:
Today, I held a meeting of our shadow cabinet to discuss the Brexit talks with the government. The exchanges with the government have been serious but our shadow cabinet expressed frustration that the prime minister has not yet moved off her red lines so we can reach a compromise.
The key issues that we must see real movement on to secure an agreement are a customs union with the EU, alignment with the single market and full dynamic alignment of workers’ rights, environmental protections and consumer standards.
So in summary, May hasn't moved and Corbyn hasn't moved. Not one thing has changed.
Please, EU, we really are close to a solution, just a little more time and we'll really not just kick the can down the road.
Today, I held a meeting of our shadow cabinet to discuss the Brexit talks with the government. The exchanges with the government have been serious but our shadow cabinet expressed frustration that the prime minister has not yet moved off her red lines so we can reach a compromise.
The key issues that we must see real movement on to secure an agreement are a customs union with the EU, alignment with the single market and full dynamic alignment of workers’ rights, environmental protections and consumer standards.
So in summary, May hasn't moved and Corbyn hasn't moved. Not one thing has changed.
Please, EU, we really are close to a solution, just a little more time and we'll really not just kick the can down the road.
If we do (somehow) end up involved in the elections, it'll be interesting to see what stance pro-Brexit types take on it. Will they advocate a boycott, because we're obviously meant to be leaving, or will they try to win some seats anyway, not wanting to lose any EU influence we have until we're officially out?
as if Farage is going to risk another paycheck
No, they'll try to use them as a de facto second ref and hope the usual turnout disparity happens.
It will be the first time EU elections will actually mean something in the UK.
Hmmm.... Let's see.
Old people who voted for Brexit having fewer people to take care of them? Should've thought about that before they voted Leave.
I doubt it, there might be a different process to get to the UK but don't paint an apocalypse scenario where none will exist.
We cant get them because there are no more qualified available, that's we we look to SA, Brazil, Mexico, Russia etc. Oh, they are also non EU members.
Do you really think he is the one that has to move??? it's her deal that's been rejected not his ffs.
The bolded part makes no sense, can you please explain what you mean?
We can already look at those countries, nothing prevents us from bringing people in on working visas atm. Apart from the visa process costing time and money that is. And somehow Dave from the C4 docu didn't manage to plug the gap that was left with workers from those nations.
Umm, for a start his has been rejected three times , the same as May. You obviously missed that. His is impossible anyway.
I was referring to both not just Corbyn.
But, to leave with a deal the WA has to be signed. Edit - it already is signed - I mean ratified.