Agree that is why it should be no pen. Clear intention to avoid it. Short distance and also not in an unnatural position. Should without a doubt not be a pen.
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Agree that is why it should be no pen. Clear intention to avoid it. Short distance and also not in an unnatural position. Should without a doubt not be a pen.
Yes but your arms naturally move when you go in for a challenge.
He wasnt trying to put his arm down, why the hell was he sliding like that anyway?
The intent is irrelevant though, he had his arm up in the air. Whether or not he tried to move it doesn't really matter.
You slide with your arms down or behind your body or just not way up in the air. Just because its harder to make that tackle doesnt mean you're allowed to flail your arm out and make his frame bigger
So he should go without any forms of self balancing & preservation? Why not just tuck his hands into his short pockets & dive headfirst towards where the ball & opposition players are going?
The thing with these VAR pen decisions is that they seem to take no account of the speed of the ball and the distance to player hit. It's easy to make things seem one way when viewed in slo-mo. But in real time does the player really have time to get their arm out of the way?
By not having your arms flailing in the air when going in for a challenge. Plenty of players somehow manage to achieve this impossible task on a weekly basis
He got a yellow card as well to make it worse, so the referee thought he did it on purpose. I will never know how you can determine intent by slowing the replay down - it is completely stupid.
Sounds like a typical away CL knockout game by a Guardiola team.
Everyone asked for the laws to be less subjective as the interpretation varies from ref to ref.
This means you have to have black and white rules.
It is irrelevant what an ex-player says once the laws are in place – the time for them to have their say is when the laws are being implemented.
I also think offside should be offside but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish!
This means you have to have black and white rules.
It is irrelevant what an ex-player says once the laws are in place – the time for them to have their say is when the laws are being implemented.
I also think offside should be offside but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish!
Easy to identify who hasn’t played football in these sorts of threads.
I'm stunned to hear of those developments.Deflected opener for Liverpool, not even surprised
And no penalty awarded to Porto, when same was given at Spurs
What people expect from last ditch tackles either to stop a player or to block a shot?! There is no control or grand design behind it, the moment you go in, you know there is always a risk of some shit to happen. Where to put his hands, dunno, when i see most controlled tackles, dont see many players flapping their arms like wind mill.
Edit: Rule is there, if you dont like the rule, dont shout how its not a pen like a lunatic.
Edit: Rule is there, if you dont like the rule, dont shout how its not a pen like a lunatic.
That is incredibly difficult to do. I'd love to see some of you lot try it at pace and see if you don't move your arms out. It's natural instinct. At least with Rose he's trying to put them down.
It's a dumb rule and i'd be livid if one of our players got caught out with it tomorrow.
It's the risk you take when making a last ditch tackle like that. Dont get yourself in the position where you need to do a last ditch block where you usually just have all limbs flailing for one. And yeah, stick a leg out but dont flail your arms up over your head. It's quite simple.
You're missing the point. The point is that his arm shouldn't be in that position, if it is he's asking for trouble.
Try to imagine him making that sliding with both his arms right by his side, without bursting into a laugh because of how ridiculous and improbable it would look.
Could quite easily have tucked his left arm in when he slid and it wouldn't have been a penalty
Yeah it's natural instinct but it's still against the rules and always has been. The first problem is putting yourself in a position where you need to make a last ditch tackle which always leaves you at risk for something like that. He dove in to blocked the shot but had his arms out. Wasnt exactly controlled. Was just throwing himself at the ball. Pen.
There’s no need to imagine it. If you have played any sort of competitive sport you would know how ridiculous the concept of “tucking your arms in” sounds
Easy to spot the arrogance of some of those that have.
So easy.
jUsT dONT gO dIVIng iN!!!
Yeah Danny Rose, Sterling is getting ready for a shot but because of the chance your hand might be not strapped to your side, you should avoid making the challenge. Let's handicap defenders to an even greater degree, that sounds sensible.
Yeah some think if they played 3 on 3 on school playground they're experts.
Maybe it's not arrogance but you know, actual experience of these situations?
Mane looked level to be honest.
Then dont make the tackle if you're worried about it hitting your arm? Everyone knows you always put yourself at risk when you dive in like that. He goes to block it with his feet but his arm is way up. Ball goes over his feet, could be going in, but Rose's arm blocks it. That's literally always been a pen and under review, always will be a pen and rightly so. Goalkeepers can use their arms to save shots. Outfield players cannot.
Next up: Should farting in the box result in a penalty as you could potentially impact the trajectory of the ball.
Stonewall.
It's like the change to the backpass rule or offside or tackles from behind.
Old pros are always going to struggle to understand it.
All that's important is that the rule is applied consistently. And with VAR it will be applied a lot more consistently than refs judging it with the naked eye.
I understand concerns about harshness, but it's all relative... and it's not relative to the past, it's relative to the present!
The fact that the penalty was given against PSG as well should reassure everyone. If one was given but another let off, that's when we should start to get worried.
Old pros are always going to struggle to understand it.
All that's important is that the rule is applied consistently. And with VAR it will be applied a lot more consistently than refs judging it with the naked eye.
I understand concerns about harshness, but it's all relative... and it's not relative to the past, it's relative to the present!
The fact that the penalty was given against PSG as well should reassure everyone. If one was given but another let off, that's when we should start to get worried.
Or you know, utter ignorance of the rules.
Some of you guys are wild - you don't play football with you arms by your side for 90mins your arms naturally move about 
Not all rules should exist.
He might be juuuuust off but surely with the new rules you should let him score and review if afterwards, not blow the whistle beforehand?
Oh my god
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE RULE IS.
The discussion is whether or not that rule is correct and fair, and a vast majority of ex professionals/current players don't seem to think it is.
Or, you know, just differing opinions on what it should be? One side backed by how the rule is actually applied and has been consistently applied after VAR review (so how they intend it to be), the other side basically only has their opinion on what the rule should be, not what it actually is.
Kane has some great passes in his game.