Never a good thing to hear.
Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris | 15th April 2019
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This is fecking soul-destroying to see. I hope they can get it under control.
They will be able to rebuild it but most likely the historic interior will be lost.
The famous organ with it as well.
Maybe a stupid question but how come the scaffholding is so intact after being in the middle of hours of intense burning?
So the walls and towers remain but presumably everything inside, including the rose windows, destroyed. It can be restored I suppose but it’s shocking to see one of Europe’s iconic buildings go up in flames on a peaceful, ordinary Monday evening.
That way the construction company can start right back up again. Look at the ties the company has! Who is investing in it? Who will make money of of this?? Dark conspiracies!
If that company caused the accident they will be out of business
Thanks
Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.
Yet more deja vu!
It's not so simple.
It's a monument.
There are laws regarding preservations of monuments that will actually require the respective federal agency to not mess around with the main structure too much.
Then there are obviously also laws that require the agency to make sure something like this doesn't happen. But looking at how quickly the fire took down the entire roof of the cathedral, it seems like in order to prevent something like that, they'd have had redo the entire roof construction in a more fire proof way. Try to redo 50% of the visible structure of one of the most iconic buildings in the world, while respecting the laws regarding preservation of the materials and the qualities of said monument. Respecting the visual qualities alone while redoing the entire roof would cost millions and would take ages, because you can't just hide the entire cathedral under a blanket, and do it all at once. That whole process is tough to even get started within Western bureaucracies' building laws.
Plus you can't even be sure it wouldn't have eventually been on the task list. Cathedrals like Notre Dame, the Cologne Cathedral, etc. are under constant renovation and construction. They are literally NEVER finished, but everything that's being done on them takes lots of time. Maybe making the roof more fire proof would've even been on the list. But these buildings were started long before you ever had the possibilities of doing steel construction skyscrapers or anything like that. These buildings are massive, and sometimes get smaller or bigger cracks within their structures. Simply guessing by how often a massive church like this burns down (hardly ever), I'd wager they'll focus on all the cracks first, and do renovations to preserve the actural constructive elements first before worrying about changing the entire roof insulation or before even contemplating taking out the entire roof construction on the inside and replacing it with something new.
Then, conclusively, why something like this can happen: The materials that were used for the roof, are most likely from a time, where modern insulation materials and roof constructions were still a thing of the distant future. Wood is going to potentially burn, no matter if it's 2019 or 1519. The insulation materials they might have somewhere up there to keep out the cold and the water might not be up to today's standards and might catch fire much more quickly than the most current materials would. That's probably why it all spread so quickly.
The spire tower went down as well though. :/
The hunchback is going to be homeless for a while.
Good they save the superstructure. There’s a chance. Not cheap though I’d of thought. But what price an icon like that?
Good they save the superstructure. There’s a chance. Not cheap though I’d of thought. But what price an icon like that?
The spire though was one of the least historically important parts of the church. It was only from the 19th century - I wonder if it collapsing and opening up part of the roof with it is that was caused the fire to flare up so much because you now suddenly have a massive hole for oxygen to add fuel to the fire.
They ll just come up with a new name and pull a Haliburton.
What a pity, I'm sorry for the Parisiens. And curiously at Easter. What a coincidence!!
The important thing is that nobody has died. They can use the analogy of Easter, death and resurrection to start with hope a new project
The important thing is that nobody has died. They can use the analogy of Easter, death and resurrection to start with hope a new project
Yes, sadly, by the sounds of it they have gone.
For those who have never (and will never
) had the pleasure of seeing the rose windows up close:This is my thoughts as well, as distressing as the images are, the place is still only bricks and mortar (and alot of wood), the main thing is that no one died.
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Why did the spire fall if jet fuel can't melt steel?
Er, the spire wasn’t made of steel. Wood, covered in lead.
Rouen Cathedral’s spire is made of cast iron.
There was also no jet fuel.....
If you watch closely the spire actually falls before any fire gets to it. Hmm seems fishy.
The building has stone vaults (pointy ceilings) underneath the wooden roof structure. If the heat and/or falling debris hasn’t damaged them then the interior should be reasonably ok, aside from smoke and water damage. If they have collapsed then anything could have happened.
York Minster’s vaults are wooden, as well as the roof, and were twice destroyed by fire in the nineteenth century. The only bit not to have been damaged, the South Transept, got burned out in 1984.
York Minster’s vaults are wooden, as well as the roof, and were twice destroyed by fire in the nineteenth century. The only bit not to have been damaged, the South Transept, got burned out in 1984.
Can jet fuel melt wood?
You can see a pompier at the bottom of the photo so quite possibly legit. It would be absolutely remarkable given the pictures we all saw earlier.
As I had hoped. Looks like the roof burned itself out and the stone vault protected the inside of the building. The bit that collapsed was obviously down to the spire falling.
I really hope the organ hasn’t been too badly damaged. A friend who is a cathedral organist in the UK spend last August playing it and is absolutely distraught.
Edit: apologies for the 9/11 conspiracy allusions going completely over my head
I really hope the organ hasn’t been too badly damaged. A friend who is a cathedral organist in the UK spend last August playing it and is absolutely distraught.
Edit: apologies for the 9/11 conspiracy allusions going completely over my head
As I had hoped. Looks like the roof burned itself out and the stone vault protected the inside of the building. The bit that collapsed was obviously down to the spire falling.
I really hope the organ hasn’t been too badly damaged. A friend who is a cathedral organist in the UK spend last August playing it and is absolutely distraught.
Edit: apologies for the 9/11 conspiracy allusions going completely over my head
It's gone, apparently, as is at least one of the rose windows. The hope is for the one window I posted above which seems to still be at least partially intact, but there seems to be worries about structural integrity.
This shit was deliberate IMO
Just imagining some poor bastard trying to go to sleep knowing there's going to be a national inquiry into the 850 year old cathedral he just accidentally burned down. And it's only Monday.
Frollol
He's the Red Adair of stupidity.