Champions League Semi Finals (30th April - 8th May)

Barcelona are so vulnerable away from home, that I have to back Liverpool to go through. The fact they beat United at Old Trafford is irrelevant, it just shows how poor United are at home. Usually Barca fail to get anything away from home. They consistently got battered away in Italy, whether it's Rome, Juventus or Milan. Against Atletico, they can't win away in the CL either. They failed to win away even at smaller places like Lyon. Last year they only won ONCE the whole season away from home in Europe.

Even in peak times, they struggled away. At the Emirates, we faced the greatest Barca team of all time under Guardiola twice, once we drew and once we won. At Stamford Bridge, again, same problem. Unable to win.

So my prediction is simple: They will get battered at Anfield. If they have any chance of making it through, Barca will have to rack up the goals at Camp Nou (even that might not be enough, see Roma).

Just to be clear, I support Barca in this match, I actually want Barca to beat Liverpool. But Barca's away record is horrific!!!!!

Their away record isn't that horrific. Maybe you're talking about two years ago but their away record is OK in Europe. Every team, even the big teams have generally unremarkable away records.

Spurs W
Inter D
PSV W
Lyon D
Man Utd W

Last year
Sporting W
Olympiakos D
Juventus D
Chelsea D
Roma L

16/17
Monchengladbach W
Man City L
Celtic W
PSG L
Juventus L
 
If Barca are looking to play a high line then half of Liverpool's job is already done without needing to commit TAA/Robertson forward. Mane and Salah will be dreaming of the lobbed balls while being chased by Usain Bolt re-incarnates Busquets and Pique.

That leaves plenty of men behind to keep Messi occupied. I wonder what secret tactics Klopp will use to suppress Coutinho? Oh, yeah, don't let him cut in and shoot. Not seen that before. :lol:

Quoted for future hilarity.

P.S. You won’t have to worry about Coutinho, buddy. I’d be more worried about Alexander-Arnold adding Dembele to his long list of abusers, if I were you.
 
Henderson will be all over Busquets and it's not the names people should be focusing on or even the technical acumen, but rather the execution of a plan and how the pieces fit together in said plan.

Henderson's objective will be to have Busquets play at a pace he would rather not, it doesn't necessarily mean to make for the press, rather have him make snapshot decisions and relaying the ball back in and around him over and over to tire him and force the other midfielders back to help.

The notion Barcelona are anything close to what they used to be in terms of the midfield and the few ways of getting at them is outright false and part of that is Busquets himself not being the player he was.

The higher the tempo the better for Liverpool, by far. In terms of legs, only Alba could slot into their side. Barcelona need to slow the game as much as possible; they won't win an open contest vs Liverpool and they would be foolish to try. Barcelona's means of slowing the game depend on Busquets and then Arthur and Messi, but that chain depends on Busquets otherwise the others cannot do their thing.
They haven't played Liverpool x amount of times or teams with their strengths in that game accumulation.

Man for man is also meaningless as it's style of play and how they mesh that is the key consideration unless you've got a legacy team with game-breaking/match deciding players dotted across the pitch (think MSN with much better midfield behind them than what Barca have now) Messi is the only player who fits that description now with Dembele and the rest being in line with what the opposing side have.

Liverpool's attack actually has the better synergy and they will destroy you on the break, guaranteed, if you give them the chance to. When is the last time you faced two wing forwards of the mold of Liverpool's running in tandem, do you think? Your defence will be stretched wide to the outside of the CB's - you won't have targets to home in on through the middle. It will be on Busquets to fill these gaps inside the fullback and outside the centre backs, he's decent at that not great.

You're likely to beat them at Nou Camp, and they will beat you at Anfield by a greater margin, thus knocking you out. This, with Messi not having one of his special nights accepted. If he does, then obviously things change and I expect you'll go through. I hope you don't concede first at home - you're in big trouble if you do.

And if Liverpool concede first at Anfield, they'll get taken to the woodshed. Barca won't panic even if Liverpool score first at Camp Nou. Valverde is far too pragmatic for that. The second leg is where any chasing of the tie will happen unless Barca go down 2-0 early at Camp Nou.

And again, Barca's midfield is MUCH MUCH better than Liverpool's. Liverpool's midfield outside of Fabinho is dreadful. Rakitic is comfortably better than any midfielder they have.

I do agree that Liverpool's counter attack will be an issue, but this is the same Liverpool that lost to Red Star, PSG (with their midfield getting annihilated), and Napoli (without registering a single shot on target) They've struggled for stretches against Fulhams of the world and have had the jammiest results on the season of all the big teams remaining.

Again, they're a great team, but only on this forum are Liverpool heavy favorites. People here have seen far more Liverpool than Barca since this forum is more EPL focused.

Liverpool goes through plenty of lulls where they look terrible, Salah is hit or miss (he's had some awful stretches and fares poorly on average against the big teams, poor record against the top 6) but Mane is on fire and Firminio is obviously solid. But Suarez is more than capable or producing magic although in fairness he's just as capable of giving us 80 minutes of garbage. I think Liverpool will struggle against Dembele since they'll be so concerned with Messi.

Liverpool is also still very focused on the league while Barca can afford to rest players. Barca are fuming over the Roma debacle. They are on a mission. They have yet to lose a single match this entire tournament while Liverpool have lost several. As much as you say if Liverpool get chances against Barca they could put on the pressure, if Barca get the chances Liverpool kept giving Porto, Liverpool could just as easily go down 2-0 by halftime if they aren't careful. Even Chelsea recently was very unfortunate not to make it 2-2 after Liverpool went up 2-0.

Should be a great tie either way.
 
And if Liverpool concede first at Anfield, they'll get taken to the woodshed. Barca won't panic even if Liverpool score first at Camp Nou. Valverde is far too pragmatic for that. The second leg is where any chasing of the tie will happen unless Barca go down 2-0 early at Camp Nou.

And again, Barca's midfield is MUCH MUCH better than Liverpool's. Liverpool's midfield outside of Fabinho is dreadful. Rakitic is comfortably better than any midfielder they have.

I do agree that Liverpool's counter attack will be an issue, but this is the same Liverpool that lost to Red Star, PSG (with their midfield getting annihilated), and Napoli (without registering a single shot on target) They've struggled for stretches against Fulhams of the world and have had the jammiest results on the season of all the big teams remaining.

Again, they're a great team, but only on this forum are Liverpool heavy favorites. People here have seen far more Liverpool than Barca since this forum is more EPL focused.

Liverpool goes through plenty of lulls where they look terrible, Salah is hit or miss (he's had some awful stretches and fares poorly on average against the big teams, poor record against the top 6) but Mane is on fire and Firminio is obviously solid. But Suarez is more than capable or producing magic although in fairness he's just as capable of giving us 80 minutes of garbage. I think Liverpool will struggle against Dembele since they'll be so concerned with Messi.

Liverpool is also still very focused on the league while Barca can afford to rest players. Barca are fuming over the Roma debacle. They are on a mission. They have yet to lose a single match this entire tournament while Liverpool have lost several. As much as you say if Liverpool get chances against Barca they could put on the pressure, if Barca get the chances Liverpool kept giving Porto, Liverpool could just as easily go down 2-0 by halftime if they aren't careful. Even Chelsea recently was very unfortunate not to make it 2-2 after Liverpool went up 2-0.

Should be a great tie either way.

Get out of here with your sensible posts!
 
Err... they won the match.

:confused:
So? They didn’t do enough to go through. Not quite sure the need for confusion err and smiley but ok.

Teams of the week are nonsense anyway, that 3 man defence would get roasted by most decent teams. They just cram players in
 
And if Liverpool concede first at Anfield, they'll get taken to the woodshed. Barca won't panic even if Liverpool score first at Camp Nou. Valverde is far too pragmatic for that. The second leg is where any chasing of the tie will happen unless Barca go down 2-0 early at Camp Nou.
If they score first at Camp Nou, they will sit deep and compact and break from deep. Alba then cannot overlap with any certainty and your midfield will have to take risks mindful of the disparity in pace and stamina - for this not to happen you'll have to perform at a vintage as a team I'm not sure you're capable of anymore. You have effective players who aren't devastating: Suarez on his last legs, Coutinho who I don't think anyone would bet their house on to deliver, Dembele, who is erratic and barely trusted to start these games. Your midfield does not score goals - you're a frontrunning team, which is perfectly fine so long as you don't concede.

I think you're going to find Liverpool more stifling than you realise. You've mentioned superiority of players and midfield whilst not acknowledging tactical planning and what they bring to the table. I believe Liverpool are the worst team you can face in this year's competition, not because they are an amazing side, but because they are pretty much custom made to really get under your skin and disrupt your flow as well as you not having a prayer on their counters unless you betray your own game (Alba) which would blunt your attack and make you over reliant on you know who.

Not that he can't do it, moreso it's a tricky condition to put upon him.
And again, Barca's midfield is MUCH MUCH better than Liverpool's. Liverpool's midfield outside of Fabinho is dreadful. Rakitic is comfortably better than any midfielder they have.
As above. Nobody's disputing man for man or technical level just raw effectiveness, where Liverpool's midfield enables the line ahead of them aptly and achieve their objectives effectively in Europe for two seasons straight now. It's not a fluke, they are good at what they are tasked to do. Busquets better roll back the years! ;)
I do agree that Liverpool's counter attack will be an issue, but this is the same Liverpool that lost to Red Star, PSG (with their midfield getting annihilated), and Napoli (without registering a single shot on target) They've struggled for stretches against Fulhams of the world and have had the jammiest results on the season of all the big teams remaining.
They're a more polished product now and it takes a lot of work to suppress their midfield. They got jittery with nerves but seem to be over that now, unfortunately.
Again, they're a great team, but only on this forum are Liverpool heavy favorites. People here have seen far more Liverpool than Barca since this forum is more EPL focused.
They're not a great team, but they are very good at what they set out to do and that's all that matters.
I think the Messi fest ensures a lot of people watch Barca all season long. I don't think you're an unknown quantity anyway. La Liga isn't the key factor for assessment anyway, just your body of work in the CL.
Liverpool goes through plenty of lulls where they look terrible, Salah is hit or miss (he's had some awful stretches and fares poorly on average against the big teams, poor record against the top 6) but Mane is on fire and Firminio is obviously solid. But Suarez is more than capable or producing magic although in fairness he's just as capable of giving us 80 minutes of garbage. I think Liverpool will struggle against Dembele since they'll be so concerned with Messi.
I think I've covered this in my posts. I think if you don't compromise, the space in behind your fullbacks will actually be your downfall. To me, this is where the tie will be decided, that and how Busquets performs.

Liverpool is also still very focused on the league while Barca can afford to rest players. Barca are fuming over the Roma debacle. They are on a mission. They have yet to lose a single match this entire tournament while Liverpool have lost several. As much as you say if Liverpool get chances against Barca they could put on the pressure, if Barca get the chances Liverpool kept giving Porto, Liverpool could just as easily go down 2-0 by halftime if they aren't careful. Even Chelsea recently was very unfortunate not to make it 2-2 after Liverpool went up 2-0.

Should be a great tie either way.
By 'great' let's hope that is you putting on a clinic rather than it being a knife edge match or a fire fight as I don't favour you in a back and forth contest with a team of superior fitness.
 
And again, Barca's midfield is MUCH MUCH better than Liverpool's. Liverpool's midfield outside of Fabinho is dreadful. Rakitic is comfortably better than any midfielder they have.

Hyperbole much? It's clearly not dreadful. Fabinho wasn't even a nailed starter until recently. Hendo is in excellent form, Gini has been one of the best midfielders in the league this season (sadly not in top form anymore, probably tired after a long season), Milner has been consistently good, and Keita is finally starting to show why we bought him.

This is beyond the point though, because it's a Klopp team. The midfielders aren't required to be world class, they just need to be world class at hard work and pressing - which they are.
 
Yeah, football is chess. Yet Madrid won it three times in a row, with arguably even less structure than this iteration of Barcelona. They were often conceding chances and had some difficult match ups. What gives?

Individual quality and momentum over everything. Barca have the former, and Liverpool have by some magic been riding all season long on the latter. But they won't always have it with them. We'll see how it turns out.

I simply don't expect seasoned veterans who have no problems to endure pressing vs Atletico and Real Madrid away, to be intimidated by huffing and puffing of that Liverpool midfield. People always seem to underestimate how technically excellent and savvy these La Liga teams are.
 
Everyone seems really confidant that Barca will lose. It's a Spurs v Barca final for me.

I'm with you on this.

If it pans out this way we'd go into the final as definite underdogs, but in a one-off match anything can happen ...
 
Quoted for future hilarity.

P.S. You won’t have to worry about Coutinho, buddy. I’d be more worried about Alexander-Arnold adding Dembele to his long list of abusers, if I were you.

Dembele is quality. Easily the second best player in Barca right now. Even more reason to keep TAA and Robertson back, which means we hope to play the counter game against the snails of Pique, Lenglet and Busquets.
 
It's going to be a Liverpool vs Ajax final... Liverpool are going to win the whole thing. I absolutely hope I've got that wrong.

Some of the attempts not to see how Liverpool's strengths are a hellish problem for this Barcelona side are hope overriding the reality of the situation, I think. It will take a mammoth effort from not only Messi but also the midfield unit to kill the tie before they even get to Anfield. Liverpool will beat them handily at home, I suspect. Busquets and Suarez are not the players they once were and the former, in particular, is going to have to have a couple of games for the ages to stave off the unsettling tactics designed to suffocate supply to the front line. He isn't as press resistant as he used to be and disrupting him can shake the whole Barca side as it will drag Messi deeper and deeper, which in turn forces the attack to have to go it alone - Suarez is not going to do much without Messi in close proximity.

Further, Barca rely on Alba galavanting to create width and an outlet ball. It's not a good idea vs. to expose your flank to the counter against the pace Liverpool break at.

If Messi has a top performance, a lot of this will be redundant and he can kill the tie, but I'm not sure he will. The absolute worst thing of all is if Liverpool score early at the Nou Camp. It'll be a walk over if that happens as they are then more likely to score on the break than Barca are to break them down.

Spurs are decimated and Ajax are young, aggressive.and persistent. Spurs need to stay in the tie in the 1st leg and make the second a winner takes all match. Delli Alli also needs to step up as they need more than Son to be on his game to make the second leg a contest.

This a top post. From someone who watches football studiously. Anything can happen over 90/180 minutes but Fortitude has nailed the analysis. I hope other managers don't think this way and will continue to think Ajax are free hit, or Liverpool only have Hendo and Milner as our regular midfielders. :rolleyes::wenger:
 
Good that people realise mistakes yes, I just find it funny the assurance of ones own beliefs and refusal to take other people’s points on board and then U turn on them.

It would be nice to see some more humility behind opinions occasionally.

And they’ve only beaten Real and Juve because they are no good themselves, am I right @SquishyMcSquish ?


I just find it funny how I absolutely did not say Ajax are shit and now you're rushing to act like I did.

I said I don't think they're better than us (which I still think is the case) and that we would be favourites in a tie, which I still believe.

What I do admit to is underrating them, as I did not expect them to get past Juventus and they proved me wrong. I imagine if I bothered to trawl through your posts I'd find plenty of shit that you've got wrong.

From the start I said Ajax were clearly a talented side who would give us a game and that anything can happen in knockout football. I laughed at people who over-emphasised the importance of 'pedigree' (I still do) because the reason Ajax are good now is due to a superb youth academy and an excellent coach, not because of past success.
 
Now it’s a problem because you’re missing two players, surely you’re expecting to dick them being the measly overrated crap dutch league Ajax team :)


We're missing our two best attacking players and the overwhelming source of all our goals this season.

Since I never called them crap and you're deliberately exaggerating what I actually said for effect, I'll emphasise again I think they're a good side who we will need to be on form to beat. It's difficult to be on form when you can't score goals, and with no Kane or Son I think we'd struggle to score goals against most teams.
 
Haha @Zlatan 7 do you remember when we were going out mid-game to City and you decided to sarcastically post 'why didn't we get poch, why didn't we get poch .. you people still here?'

I wish people would show more humility when they post.
 
We're missing our two best attacking players and the overwhelming source of all our goals this season.

Since I never called them crap and you're deliberately exaggerating what I actually said for effect, I'll emphasise again I think they're a good side who we will need to be on form to beat. It's difficult to be on form when you can't score goals, and with no Kane or Son I think we'd struggle to score goals against most teams.

Tbh I was just fishing as I knew you liked Ajax :)

I’m sure I remember you dismissing them beating Real purely because Real were shit, and definitely accusing Ajax of being shit because they couldn’t even top a rubbish dutch league.
Also I didn’t trawl posts to find an error I just remembered the bit of back and for we had that’s all, all harmless :)

Will be a great tie between the two of you, expecting plenty of goals.
 
Haha @Zlatan 7 do you remember when we were going out mid-game to City and you decided to sarcastically post 'why didn't we get poch, why didn't we get poch .. you people still here?'

I wish people would show more humility when they post.
:lol::lol::lol: So you did go trawling.

Yea I did say that because there were people just ten minutes before posting about missing out on Poch and then silence. Again though, not being serious.

Was a tight finish to that game mind
 
Spurs have so many injuries I fancy Ajax to go through, Dier, Lamela, Aurier, Kane, Winks, Sissoko all injured atm. Wanyama just coming back from a long injury lay off, once the game goes past 60mins he looks well off the pace match fitness wise. Will be the same for a bunch of the players coming back from long injury lay offs. They are literally down to running out some under 18 academy player in midfield.

I think the majority of this forum will be Barcelona fans for a day when they play Liverpool. Tough game to call.
 
:lol::lol::lol: So you did go trawling.

Yea I did say that because there were people just ten minutes before posting about missing out on Poch and then silence. Again though, not being serious.

Was a tight finish to that game mind

All I'm saying is that people say things that look silly with hindsight/don't turn out true.

It's just forum posting! I was wrong about Ajax, I never said they were shit but they're admittedly a better side than I gave them credit for. I thought people were overrating them based on one great game against Madrid, but both legs vs Juventus they were exceptional and have proved me wrong, which won't be the last time.

Again, I still think we're better/the favourites, but clearly they're good enough that injuries to two of our best attackers could have an impact.
 
You just called us "not an elite football side", a team likely to get around 95 points in the league and is in the CL semis for the second time in a row. You're calling Bayern a bad side even though they're still top of the Bundesliga. And worst of all, you think United would stand a chance against them.

Okay then.
Don’t bother with it, we aren’t an all conquering side but we’re one of the best sides in the world at present. I’d say it’s 50/50 at present although I do wish Gomez was fully up to speed and in form for this one as I’d be much more confident. Not that Matip is bad, far from it but Gomez/VVD were something else in the first half of the season.
 
Tbh I was just fishing as I knew you liked Ajax :)

I’m sure I remember you dismissing them beating Real purely because Real were shit, and definitely accusing Ajax of being shit because they couldn’t even top a rubbish dutch league.
Also I didn’t trawl posts to find an error I just remembered the bit of back and for we had that’s all, all harmless :)

Will be a great tie between the two of you, expecting plenty of goals.


I thought that the result against Real was partly a great performance from Ajax, and partly Madrid being a disaster. I didn't think Ajax were likely to be able to repeat it consistently because they rely on a lot of young talent, that's all.

I definitely never called them shit, unless it was in jest. It just surprises me that a side capable of this aren't dicking the Dutch league entirely, seems to me like they might have a slight issue with applying it consistently against sides weaker than them.
 
Let's face it, Barcelona are nowhere near the side they were 2 or 3 years ago. Messi is still an absolute footballing diamond who can win a game on his own. But he'll be 32 soon. Suarez is already 32 & is showing something of a sharp decline in his overall form. Busquets will be 31 in a couple of months. Still a good player mind, but I'm not sure how he'd cope playing against a team that plays a high intensity game, especially away from home. Barca at the Nou Camp are going to be tough opposition. That's a given. It's worth remembering how they dismantled Roma last season at their gaff. It's also worth remembering though who went through after the 2 legs. I'd say that all 4 sides have an equal chance of lifting the trophy. However, I think Spurs might need a fair bit of luck, & also a few of their key players to return back asap from their respective injuries. There's 3 games left before we'll know who'll become this season's European champions. My feeling is, a lot will rest on certain individuals from each side hitting top form over those 3 games.
 
This a top post. From someone who watches football studiously. Anything can happen over 90/180 minutes but Fortitude has nailed the analysis. I hope other managers don't think this way and will continue to think Ajax are free hit, or Liverpool only have Hendo and Milner as our regular midfielders. :rolleyes::wenger:
It is a fan fiction, a fantasy literature that goes into same basket with pseudo-nostalgic mythography and all that "draft" nonsense. Written by those who would like to sound smart and sophisticated (to people who are gullible enough). There's a reason why bookies don't bother with this sort of "expert" analysis and rely on more conservative parameters.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that it's all false. But it gives a horribly skewed and incomplete picture, omitting a myriad of other factors, of tactical and (even more importantly) non-tactical variety. These supposedly sophisticated predictions almost never pan out in real matches, because football is very unpredictable and chaotic, and other elements are usually more decisive than tactical match ups.

You simply like this narrative and chosen set of patterns it is constructed upon, because it makes you feel good as a fan.
 
My evaluation of Ajax is that they don't only beat top(ish) opposition but they absolutely dominate them. Breathless football. However, they have a weak point which is finishing. Ziyech is a good player but not a finisher yet. I would have City beating them easily and a closer win for a fully fit Spurs.

However, having heard that Son is not playing one leg changes that. Along with injuries to Sissoko, etc, I now make Ajax slight favourites to be in the final. Moura will score of course, and Son will be on fire second leg but Ajax have only three games left this season and boy are they focused.
 

Basically cancelling an entire weekend of fixtures just for Ajax? And people were wondering earlier why the rest of the Dutch clubs fecking despise Ajax and what they see as the entire FA revolving around them?

Absolutely hilarious. Can you imagine if the PL cancelled an entire weekend of fixtures for Liverpool to have extra rest? There would be rioting.
 
And if Liverpool concede first at Anfield, they'll get taken to the woodshed. Barca won't panic even if Liverpool score first at Camp Nou. Valverde is far too pragmatic for that. The second leg is where any chasing of the tie will happen unless Barca go down 2-0 early at Camp Nou.

And again, Barca's midfield is MUCH MUCH better than Liverpool's. Liverpool's midfield outside of Fabinho is dreadful. Rakitic is comfortably better than any midfielder they have.

I do agree that Liverpool's counter attack will be an issue, but this is the same Liverpool that lost to Red Star, PSG (with their midfield getting annihilated), and Napoli (without registering a single shot on target) They've struggled for stretches against Fulhams of the world and have had the jammiest results on the season of all the big teams remaining.

Again, they're a great team, but only on this forum are Liverpool heavy favorites. People here have seen far more Liverpool than Barca since this forum is more EPL focused.

Liverpool goes through plenty of lulls where they look terrible, Salah is hit or miss (he's had some awful stretches and fares poorly on average against the big teams, poor record against the top 6) but Mane is on fire and Firminio is obviously solid. But Suarez is more than capable or producing magic although in fairness he's just as capable of giving us 80 minutes of garbage. I think Liverpool will struggle against Dembele since they'll be so concerned with Messi.

Liverpool is also still very focused on the league while Barca can afford to rest players. Barca are fuming over the Roma debacle. They are on a mission. They have yet to lose a single match this entire tournament while Liverpool have lost several. As much as you say if Liverpool get chances against Barca they could put on the pressure, if Barca get the chances Liverpool kept giving Porto, Liverpool could just as easily go down 2-0 by halftime if they aren't careful. Even Chelsea recently was very unfortunate not to make it 2-2 after Liverpool went up 2-0.

Should be a great tie either way.

Dude, if Barcelona concede first at Camp Nou and have to attack and leave space behind for Liverpool especially Salah and Mane to counter-attack then you're in trouble. This is exactly how Klopp would want it and how he thinks if you listen to his press conferences and inteviews.

And Liverpool's system doesn't care for their midfield being genius. Their midfield is meant to be workhorses for the front 3 and fullbacks to bomb forward. Most of their assists are by their two fullbacks. 2 of the 3 in midfield just has to cover the space that they leave behind and/or press. They are hard workers. That's it. I don't get why people can't understand this with Klopp's teams.

It's also the same Liverpool that beat Bayern in Munich 3-1 and Porto 6-1 over two legs.

I think Barcelona are slight favorites and would progress though.
 
Absolutely hilarious. Can you imagine if the PL cancelled an entire weekend of fixtures for Liverpool to have extra rest? There would be rioting.
The situation have nothing in common.

You understand that the Netherlands have to worry about UEFA coefficient to get more spots?
 
What's the team of the tournament like so far for everyone? I'm leaning towards something like this.

Ter Stegen
??? Pique De Ligt ???
van de Beek / de Jong
Messi Son Sterling
Tadic

Unsure on fullbacks. Both of ours have assisted two each, so are definitely in with a shout.
 
It is a fan fiction, a fantasy literature that goes into same basket with pseudo-nostalgic mythography and all that "draft" nonsense. Written by those who would like to sound smart and sophisticated (to people who are gullible enough). There's a reason why bookies don't bother with this sort of "expert" analysis and rely on more conservative parameters.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that it's all false. But it gives a horribly skewed and incomplete picture, omitting a myriad of other factors, of tactical and (even more importantly) non-tactical variety. These supposedly sophisticated predictions almost never pan out in real matches, because football is very unpredictable and chaotic, and other elements are usually more decisive than tactical match ups.

You simply like this narrative and chosen set of patterns it is constructed upon, because it makes you feel good as a fan.
:lol: a fan fiction? You're aware I hope Barcelona win, right?

And I'm calling the match(s) as I see them, just as everyone else is.

Whether that feels 'intellectual' to you, pseudo or otherwise, is down to your own gauge, nobody else's.

I'm very much hoping I'm proven wrong, also. But carry on with your assessment of me, the Liverpool fan. :wenger:
 
Man City are really overrated on here. People claiming best 11 and squad in Europe etc.

The back 5 is average. Ederson is not a top 5 GK, Walker is a speed Merchant, Kompany past it and never produced in Europe. Mendy injury prone. Laporte is good but prone to mistakes as evident on Wednesday.

City have more depth but the sub quality is not superior to Barca.

Cillessen > Bravo
Semedo > Danilo
Umtiti > Stones
Dembele = Sane
Otamendi > Vermaelen
Jesus > KPB
Mahrez > Malcolm

Going by the comments on here Barca first 11 is weaker and City are far stronger overall which is inaccurate. Many players at City not strong enough.
 
Henderson will be all over Busquets and it's not the names people should be focusing on or even the technical acumen, but rather the execution of a plan and how the pieces fit together in said plan.

Henderson's objective will be to have Busquets play at a pace he would rather not, it doesn't necessarily mean to make for the press, rather have him make snapshot decisions and relaying the ball back in and around him over and over to tire him and force the other midfielders back to help.

The notion Barcelona are anything close to what they used to be in terms of the midfield and the few ways of getting at them is outright false and part of that is Busquets himself not being the player he was.

The higher the tempo the better for Liverpool, by far. In terms of legs, only Alba could slot into their side. Barcelona need to slow the game as much as possible; they won't win an open contest vs Liverpool and they would be foolish to try. Barcelona's means of slowing the game depend on Busquets and then Arthur and Messi, but that chain depends on Busquets otherwise the others cannot do their thing.
They haven't played Liverpool x amount of times or teams with their strengths in that game accumulation.

Man for man is also meaningless as it's style of play and how they mesh that is the key consideration unless you've got a legacy team with game-breaking/match deciding players dotted across the pitch (think MSN with much better midfield behind them than what Barca have now) Messi is the only player who fits that description now with Dembele and the rest being in line with what the opposing side have.

Liverpool's attack actually has the better synergy and they will destroy you on the break, guaranteed, if you give them the chance to. When is the last time you faced two wing forwards of the mold of Liverpool's running in tandem, do you think? Your defence will be stretched wide to the outside of the CB's - you won't have targets to home in on through the middle. It will be on Busquets to fill these gaps inside the fullback and outside the centre backs, he's decent at that not great.

You're likely to beat them at Nou Camp, and they will beat you at Anfield by a greater margin, thus knocking you out. This, with Messi not having one of his special nights accepted. If he does, then obviously things change and I expect you'll go through. I hope you don't concede first at home - you're in big trouble if you do.

All of this really sounds funny when you consider that Liverpool have only pasted Arsenal once (5-1) this season from all the top 6 Premier League sides. They did not even create 1 chance against United when the Premier League pole position was at stake. They got obliterated by PSG in Paris with only 1 shot on target (from a penalty) when the group was extremely close with Napoli, PSG and Liverpool and they could have gone out. If not for Hazard's woeful finishing or Lloris gifting them that goal, their Premier League title chase would already have ended by now.

This is a Barca side that only lost 1 meaningful game in 2 seasons and that only after winning 4-1 in the first leg and being completely complacent and switching off in the second, so it was their own doing (or undoing) rather than anything else. The record is 101 undefeated in 110 games.

Busquets has coped well and been part of a midfield that handed out some heavy defeats to a 3 times CL winning Real Madrid side with Ronaldo in it in recent years. Think he'll cope well with Henderson chasing him down.

If this Barca can dish out Man United's biggest defeat in a 2-legged Cup tie in 2nd gear, imagine what they can do when they are forced to turn it on a lot more, which they are capable of.
 
The situation have nothing in common.

You understand that the Netherlands have to worry about UEFA coefficient to get more spots?

Which has nothing to do with more than 2-3 teams, and means on King's Day weekend every top tier club in the Netherlands won't be playing. It's absolute madness.

Look, I get why the Dutch FA wants to do this (and being a Spurs fan, I have a natural inclination to support Ajax as well ... the fans are pretty close due to the historic "jewish club" ties, etc). It just also goes a long way towards explaining why other clubs in the Netherlands hate Ajax.
 
Basically cancelling an entire weekend of fixtures just for Ajax? And people were wondering earlier why the rest of the Dutch clubs fecking despise Ajax and what they see as the entire FA revolving around them?

Absolutely hilarious. Can you imagine if the PL cancelled an entire weekend of fixtures for Liverpool to have extra rest? There would be rioting.

No, not basically. The game was on Sunday, with Spurs following Tuesday. Regulations say there needs to be 48h between those, so Sunday is out. Moving the game to Saturday is out, it's a national holiday. Moving to Friday is out, the opponent had various objections. Also it was undesirable because there are regulations the last two rounds all the games have to begin at the same time. So then this move came into frame, not a desirable solution, but the least bad one and the only available one.
 
Barca never really has problems with English teams, so I feel like a final between Barca and Ajax.

Are we talking history or very recently?

If it's very recently, this is a different Barcelona beast to the MSN version, nevermind Guardiola's Barca.
If it's history, I can certainly tell you one English side Barca has always had a problem with...