He is right. But so is Van Gaal and so is Moyes with what they said about the club . Nothing special about it.
"Finishing 2nd with this team a great achievement"
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He is right. But so is Van Gaal and so is Moyes with what they said about the club . Nothing special about it.
It's not worthless since it tells you the bullshit capabilities of the person if they keep changing their tune every so often.
I mean, I've already got Mourinho's interview speech worked out if Pogba ever wins the Ballon D'Or and it goes something like this:
"I always knew Pogba was world class, that's why I DEMANDED that Woodward spend £89 million on him. It was my final decision to take him to the club. What I did for him during our 2.5 years working together was character building for him, a platform for his success."
Argh.
Just leaving this here. Not a huge fan of xG stats but the bottom row in this table speaks volumes about De Gea's role in us leaking a lot more goals (and hence, dropping a lot more points) this season than last.
Then, why the hell are you so happy??? You completely missed the point of the thread. People here aren't talking about saving a past manager. Are talking about saving the club and identifying the real culprit of this mess.
Just leaving this here. Not a huge fan of xG stats but the bottom row in this table speaks volumes about De Gea's role in us leaking a lot more goals (and hence, dropping a lot more points) this season than last.
De Gea prevented 3.27 xG in the Arsenal game alone. He had 3-4 freak games last season that massively affected this stat.
Our xGA last season was 43.54, this season it's 48.22 with 3 games left to go (likely will hit 50). De Gea is leaking more goals because teams are getting better chances against us, and he can't always be a one man team. Granted he has been worse this season, but only by his standards. He still makes world class saves, but also more mistakes.
Stop the revisionism. Jose did not sabotage half of our season. Ed Woodward spectacularly jumped ship in the Summer. 'Because Jose wanted the wrong players' is a poor excuse. So why didn't he buy the players he thought were the right players? Also, some players obviously downed tools. Number one on that list is our best player, Paul Pogba. If anyone sabotaged half our season, it was Pogba. We all saw the evidence after Jose left. Jose was of course part of the problem but this constant hanging all our problems on his neck is so boring and has been disproved by what we have seen under Ole so far.
The bold is almost always ignored on this forum. What our club did in the summer was unforgivable, and shows what a complete mess we are. When they don't fancy a few of the managers targets they sit on their arse. This is unequivocal evidence that the board meddles in transfer dealings, because if it was the scouts decision they would have offered alternatives that they have scouted that we could have bought.
So just because he didn't the players he wanted, it's alright to act like a miserable and moaning cnut? Poch didn't sign any player and even last season they signed 1 or 2 players, didnt mean he moaned about it and acted like a spoiled brat, he worked with his team and is comfortably finishing in top 3 and also eliminated City and Dortmund in CL.
People moan about modern players, attitude all that, none of them comes close to Jose when it comes to rotten attitude when he doesn't get what he wants.
You talk about Pogba as problem, somehow he leads in every stat among ManUtd players. We are in this mess because of many reasons, none bigger than hiring Jose.
Yes, it is. I'm grateful for it as it has exposed the frauds that are running this sorry excuse of a football club.
Are you a 14 year old?
I'd swap all two of Mourinho's third-tier trophies for being in a title race again.
Which was my point. He was last season, he isn't any more. And that's made a big difference to our league campaign.
Of course, the biggest reason we managed to finish second last season and haven't a hope of repeating that has been a huge improvement from Liverpool.
I'm grateful he was kicked out of this club. No manager gets every player they want, some you get, some you don't for various reasons. Doesn't mean manager should act like a cnut and expect total professionalism from his players.
Spending hundreds of millions to finish a distant, lucky 2nd and then still bragging about it, and complaining about a poor squad. 
Jose WAS a great manager, unfortunately not for us. His toxic behaviour and comments about our club was unacceptable.
But he wasn't the only problem here. The way this club is run by non football people will ensure we stay in the wilderness.
Jose WAS a great manager, unfortunately not for us. His toxic behaviour and comments about our club was unacceptable.
But he wasn't the only problem here. The way this club is run by non football people will ensure we stay in the wilderness.
It's not ignored it just makes no sense. For example, the only reason people are talking about last summer is because it was reported that we tried to sign Maguire, it didn't happen because Leicester were asking for way too much. You can also have doubts about Maguire willingness to move too, when he extended a few weeks after the transfer window was over. No one would be moaning about last summer if it wasn't for the Maguire saga and if you believe that saga then you have to believe that we tried to support our manager but there is a limit when we are talking about a player that isn't particularly good.
I'd say there is a lot more to our league campaign this season than De Gea. Absolutely he won us points last season, but i doubt it would have made a difference over all. We would have probably still finished in the top 4 with a 'normal' De Gea, just in a lower position. Chelsea finished 11 points behind us last season, we basically strolled to top 4 and I don't think we would have fallen behind Chelsea without him being in such good form.
Bear in mind I don't buy this '2nd is an achievement' bollocks. It's just something he said to keep his reputation in tact. He knew we are a shambles behind the scenes, so he did some stuff in the media to anticipate that. He might not be a world class manager anymore, but he knows football.
Your little story is a fabrication. To act as if Maguire was the only reason.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44240320
Simon Stone said many times that Alderweireld was a target. He also said that Godin was a target but we only made an effort for him last second (a token effort from our board, for a player they didn't fancy because of age, so they went in at a pointless time). No self respecting player would move when given an offer out of nowhere at the end of the window, so he just used us for a pay rise. There is a recurring theme, the board did not believe in Mourinho's targets that were in their late twenties because they have no resale value.
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He acted like a cnut has you are. Not all fans get the result they want. sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. So, you should just be happy with how the club is.
Acting like a brat is not good in my opinion but Jose has practically built his entire career on being a brat - especially when he does not win. Didn't the board know that when they signed him? I'll be shocked if they didn't know that. Coming second and losing the FA Cup final pissed him off because, for whatever reasons, he believes he should always win. We all knew that about him. It was why he was desperate for re-enforcements in the Summer. Poch is Poch and Jose is Jose. They have both done well in their careers but one has won it all, while the other has not won a single title in his career. His reputation is intact however because it is not built on titles it is built on turning Spurs into a consistent top four team with fewer resources. That's what makes Pochetino who he is. Jose's reputation, on the other hand, is built on titles and maybe that explains his fanatic desire to win them.
The point is, claiming Jose sabotaged half of our season is ridiculous in the face of evidences from Summer to now.
I completely agree.
It was painful really. We were second for goodness sake. And we made the final of the FA Cup. All we needed to do was to aggressively build on that.
You are just excusing everything Jose did, like "we all know that's Jose". Well he said he is changed man with more experience, well again one more lie in his locker.
Obviously he wasn't the sole reason for the mess, but the biggest one. Claiming Pogba sabotaged half of our season is as ridiculous imo.
He acted like a cnut has you are. Not all fans get the result they want. sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. So, you should just be happy with how the club is.
That logic.
The same logic you are using. Why is it any diferent? So a manager has to deal to what is on the table but you dont? why?
Tbf to mourinho. I don't think it matters who the manager is, or what the manager says, or how he handles pogba. The minute he knows madrid came calling he'll create all sort of drama.
We're 2nd and made him captain, instead of pushing for the next season he sulks and throws his toys out.
Now that we got a manager that's friendly and loves attacking play, do we see a different pogba?
Now i know mourinho signs him, but if signing a mega star midfielder is a sin then who should we sign? James milner?
We're 2nd and made him captain, instead of pushing for the next season he sulks and throws his toys out.
Now that we got a manager that's friendly and loves attacking play, do we see a different pogba?
Now i know mourinho signs him, but if signing a mega star midfielder is a sin then who should we sign? James milner?
It's not the same logic ffs
He is not dealing with bunch of farmers, he was dealing with players he signed to build a team, a team that he proudly said was capable of mounting title challenge. How is manager moaning about signings same as fans moaning about a miserable cnut who wasn't even winning?
Me saying something on internet means feckall, Jose moaning about anything in press conference has consequences like players morale, club's image and many more things.
It's not the same logic ffs
He is not dealing with bunch of farmers, he was dealing with players he signed to build a team, a team that he proudly said was capable of mounting title challenge. How is manager moaning about signings same as fans moaning about a miserable cnut who wasn't even winning?
Easy. They, the managers, all fo them, not just mourinho had to deal with what the board and the players were putting on the table and not moan. You have to deal with what the players, the managers and the board are putting on the table and not moan, because, if you moan, you are a cnut. So just become a Yes man if you can, thanks
You see that's problem, Pogba has nothing to do with this thread but you wrote an entire post about Pogba and things that aren't factual. If we stayed on topic, is it a coincidence that Mourinho's behavior dramatically changed when Madrid's job opened, maybe but maybe not? We could spend weeks claiming that his head was turned and that he was angling for a comeback to Madrid which affected our season.
Yeah, Pogba in one player, we have around 20 plus players but somehow everything is about Pogba. We have other players who should step up and be counted, can't rely on single player. Hopefully that will be the case next season.
The argument for/againt Jose goes in circles.A lot of people said Jose wasn't backed because he didn't get Perisic and Willian, thank God Ed didn't back him. We'll be left with old, aging, mediocre squad with young players didn't get a chance to play. Imagine Sanchez, Matic, Perisic and Willian playing for United till 2023.
At the end, he was rightfully sacked, but he wasn't the only issue at the club.
Many here claims jose only bought dross and this team is his doing. And pogba is the integral part of his purchases.
It's as if all the player he bough is garbage
A lot of people said Jose wasn't backed because he didn't get Perisic and Willian, thank God Ed didn't back him. We'll be left with old, aging, mediocre squad with young players didn't get a chance to play. Imagine Sanchez, Matic, Perisic and Willian playing for United till 2023.
Our squad isnt any better... martial... lingard... mata....
Gosh. Distracted? Just a dip in form?
Just leaving this here. Not a huge fan of xG stats but the bottom row in this table speaks volumes about De Gea's role in us leaking a lot more goals (and hence, dropping a lot more points) this season than last.
In his first stint at Chelsea he did, but its well documented that Jose favours a 4231 and has done so everywhere he's been.
This is not me saying 433 is a shite formation and that it shouldn't be used, but it seems that we didn't/don't have the players to play it and the only reason we do is to suit Pogba.
Jose obviously plated it at Chelsea because the players to suit it. Makelele as holder, Essien box to box and Lampard advanced 8. We've not got those quality of player in midfield.
Ultimately it comes down to sticking to a system that suits your players and im not sure 433 is the one for us.
That's not even the issue. These unfounded claims could easily be aimed at Mourinho, he was linked to Madrid and PSG, his agent is no better than Raiola, he is even worse when you consider that he actually owned players. He has always been open to a move, he said to TF1 that United wouldn't be his last club in the interview that "linked" him to PSG. This summer and fall, he was constantly linked to a comeback to Madrid, as far as I can tell he never dismissed it.
But now we have people using press talks about players transfers to justify Mourinho's behaviors and results as a manager.
That you finish higher when key players are performing well and competitors perform worse isn't really a point?
I mean you could use the same logic to discount Sir Alex's influence in plenty of our title winning teams especially the Ronaldo ones.
It's time to move on, people.
With all due respect to Mourinho fans, despite being portuguese myself, I was never a big Mourinho fan and always thought his appointment wouldn't add nothing new to our club.
In fact, I always said we hired the wrong portuguese manager, since I pretty much think Paulo Fonseca / Sérgio Conceição / Leonardo Jardim would be much better options for the current phase of our club.
Even Jorge Jesus or Vitor Pereira would be better options.
Don't get me wrong: Mourinho is still a top manager. The majority of this group of players just didn't fit his methodology and leadership style.
With all due respect to Mourinho fans, despite being portuguese myself, I was never a big Mourinho fan and always thought his appointment wouldn't add nothing new to our club.
In fact, I always said we hired the wrong portuguese manager, since I pretty much think Paulo Fonseca / Sérgio Conceição / Leonardo Jardim would be much better options for the current phase of our club.
Even Jorge Jesus or Vitor Pereira would be better options.
Don't get me wrong: Mourinho is still a top manager. The majority of this group of players just didn't fit his methodology and leadership style.
Yeah, I'll post what I said before in this thread.
People moan about modern players, attitude all that, none of them comes close to Jose when it comes to rotten attitude when he doesn't get what he wants
That's true, but it's also all on the club. Either you don't hire him or you allow him to do whatever the hell he wants with the squad.
This is tiresome, how can Mourinho absolve himself of any guilt here? Trying to stack the team with ageing players for short term success is the most short sighted approach imaginable. Look at Matic, does anyone doubt that he is a Mourinho signing? He actually apologised for his performance against Everton where he looked miles off the pace. Even Zlatan's success was short lived.
How anyone would think bringing in the likes of Perisic, Toby & Willian would be a good idea for the long term success of the club is beyond me. We'd be sitting here next season with threads for them all, asking who might buy them and who would replace them.
There are big problems at the club from the players to the managers past and present to the board and the owners. But Mourinho has added as much to our misery as most.
How anyone would think bringing in the likes of Perisic, Toby & Willian would be a good idea for the long term success of the club is beyond me. We'd be sitting here next season with threads for them all, asking who might buy them and who would replace them.
There are big problems at the club from the players to the managers past and present to the board and the owners. But Mourinho has added as much to our misery as most.
That doesn't answer the question, your post was absolute nonsense.
Now, on this post I agree with you. While I wasn't fond of all the signings I didn't actually have a problem with the players individually. The issue is that collectively I don't really understand what he was trying to do, I think that a fair share of the problem came from his own decisions from a tactical, training and transfer POV but some players have also been underwhelming, someone like Martial should have improved on some of his skills and he doesn't need Mourinho to tell him everything, I personally don't think that we have a good balance in the team from a character standpoint and while Mourinho's transfer picks could be a part of the problem, I also think that some players simply didn't grow as we hoped which happens and is nobody's fault, you need a little bit of luck too and we have been unlucky when it comes to players personal development.
So I don't put everything on Mourinho but I also don't put everything on the players or the board, it is a combination of circumstances and Mourinho like the players and the board share a part of the responsibilities.
You are just excusing everything Jose did, like "we all know that's Jose". Well he said he is changed man with more experience, well again one more lie in his locker.
Obviously he wasn't the sole reason for the mess, but the biggest one. Claiming Pogba sabotaged half of our season is as ridiculous imo.
This club will not make progress as long as we keep thinking the biggest issue we have is the manager. Again, recent evidences disprove that.
About excusing everything Jose did, no I am not. He mishandled the board's rejection of his requests, he moaned too much, he lost the dressing room and his football was, for long spells, boring. But he was not our biggest problem and some of us fans allow our dislike for him to cloud our judgement. That's my issue.
“Jose’s right the board is shite”