Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Pexbo said:
The immediate threat might be over but I don’t think the WW story is over. I think it will be revealed that Bran is still connected somehow.
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Doubt it. Maybe some connection but I think their threat is pretty much extinct and they'll wanna move on from that storyline pretty quickly to focus on the living.

There's not really enough episodes left to properly explore the white walkers and their motives, so I think the show writers are happy leaving them as this big mysterious threat that the heroes vanquished.
 
Shane88 said:
She still has two dragons.
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Didn't Cercei make some kind of crossbow for them?

Still seems not enough to take Kings Landing. Where is she going to get more armies? Will Cercei just send her armies North first and retake it back? Or will Arya borrow someone's face, sneak in and stab her, after feeding the remains of Joffrey to her?
 
Watched the Hardhome ending there. Wish they didn't recast the Night King. Original actor/make-up looked far more menacing...

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Shane88 said:
Watched the Hardhome ending there. Wish they didn't recast the Night King. Original actor/make-up looked far more menacing...

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Wouldn't have changed him being a very poorly written character.
 
My theory is that they're so pissed at the internet moaners they will use the last three episodes to show the northern troops travel to King's Landing.
 
Pexbo said:
The immediate threat might be over but I don’t think the WW story is over. I think it will be revealed that Bran is still connected somehow.
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His "I'm going now" line and his warging has been completely inconsequential within the episode. This is the one point where it looks like there could be a follow up.
 
Roosney said:
My theory is that they're so pissed at the internet moaners they will use the last three episodes to show the northern troops travel to King's Landing.
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I’m sure they’ll scrap the 3 episodes they already have cause they were shot last year and spend a few hundred millions remaking them just to get back at the internet moaners. Why didn’t I think of that?
 
OohAahMartial said:
Didn't Cercei make some kind of crossbow for them?

Still seems not enough to take Kings Landing. Where is she going to get more armies? Will Cercei just send her armies North first and retake it back? Or will Arya borrow someone's face, sneak in and stab her, after feeding the remains of Joffrey to her?
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She still has some, the survivors, but is vastly reduced in numbers giving Cersie the edge now(dragons excluded).

I dont think Arya gets the final kill now, one massive threat ended by assassination is fair enough, if she kills both Internet will really lose its shit. A pity, I think it made more sense for her to finish her list, ending a massive war via an act of personal revenge.
 
There's also the ironborn that Yara has. Have we seen the last of her?

And what about the dornish army? Do they have one? Who is running shit down there?
 
Lame of Thrones: this is how you ruin the world’s best TV show, Game of Thrones

 
Dante said:
He's throwing a wobbly because no consequences to the events of episode 3 have been shown yet? Brilliant.
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You make some great points but there are also huge flaws and some really ridiculous moments, like someone posted it a few pages back about Team Alive using dragon glass to kill wights / white walkers, you know that are forged from dragon fire.....

Dany blasts the NK to hell with a feck tonne of dragon fire and he smirks.... I mean really?
 
Robin shouldn't be back in here, he didn't just ruin a single episode or a scene he ruined an entire season. I aint a mod though.
 
Keefy18 said:
You make some great points but there are also huge flaws and some really ridiculous moments, like someone posted it a few pages back about Team Alive using dragon glass to kill wights / white walkers, you know that are forged from dragon fire.....

Dany blasts the NK to hell with a feck tonne of dragon fire and he smirks.... I mean really?
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Why not?

At Hardhome, the Whitewalkers were show walking through fire. It doesn't take much imagination to infer that they're the embodiment of ice and therefore have a shroud of cold around them which protects them from fire.

Dragon glass and Valyrian steel is a way of piercing that shroud. It's dragon magic turned into a solid.

Pouring the polio vaccine on your arm wont do anything because your skin protects you as a natural barrier. Stick it in a syringe, however...
 
OohAahMartial said:
Didn't Cercei make some kind of crossbow for them?

Still seems not enough to take Kings Landing. Where is she going to get more armies? Will Cercei just send her armies North first and retake it back? Or will Arya borrow someone's face, sneak in and stab her, after feeding the remains of Joffrey to her?
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During the opening credits, you can see King's Landing being equipped with those huge ass crossbows specially made for the dragon.
 
Dante said:
Why not?

At Hardhome, the Whitewalkers were show walking through fire. It doesn't take much imagination to infer that they're the embodiment of ice and therefore have a shroud of cold around them which protects them from fire.

Dragon glass and Valyrian steel is a way of piercing that shroud. It's dragon magic turned into a solid.

Pouring the polio vaccine on your arm wont do anything because your skin protects you as a natural barrier. Stick it in a syringe, however...
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That's fire, not dragon fire.

In mythical lore it is generally considered far more powerful than normal wildfire, I mean the whole element of dragon glass is that it is forged with something far hotter and also magical than human generated fire.

Dragon fire is considered to be hot enough to burn Cities to rubble, perfect example being Harrenhal. It was left a ruin.

You are seriously stretching at points to defend the show.

I am a huge, huge GoT fan... a fanatic if you will but there have been some utterly idiotic points in the TV Series that GRRM would not make within his writing.
 

Spoiler. That. Shit.
 
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Dante said:
Why not?

At Hardhome, the Whitewalkers were show walking through fire. It doesn't take much imagination to infer that they're the embodiment of ice and therefore have a shroud of cold around them which protects them from fire.

Dragon glass and Valyrian steel is a way of piercing that shroud. It's dragon magic turned into a solid.

Pouring the polio vaccine on your arm wont do anything because your skin protects you as a natural barrier. Stick it in a syringe, however...
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They walk through regular fire, the non-mythical variety. Dragon fire on the show is basically blowing stuff up on top of lighting it on fire (as seen in the battle of Winterfell and the loot train battle, shit just explodes where Drogon breathes fire). So in your vaccine analogy, dragon fire is like the polio vaccine stuffed into a grenade.
 
Keefy18 said:
That's fire, not dragon fire.

In mythical lore it is generally considered far more powerful than normal wildfire, I mean the whole element of dragon glass is that it is forged with something far hotter and also magical than human generated fire.

Dragon fire is considered to be hot enough to burn Cities to rubble, perfect example being Harrenhal. It was left a ruin.

You are seriously stretching at points to defend the show.

I am a huge, huge GoT fan... a fanatic if you will but there have been some utterly idiotic points in the TV Series that GRRM would not make within his writing.
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There is no lore about dragon fire coming up against White Walkers. Bran says as much. Nobody has any idea what happens an unstoppable force (the heat of dragon fire) meets an immovable object (the cold of White Walkers). Your logic is faulty because you assume an outcome based on incomplete evidence.

Book wankers gonna book wank.
 
GhastlyHun said:
They walk through regular fire, the non-mythical variety. Dragon fire on the show is basically blowing stuff up on top of lighting it on fire (as seen in the battle of Winterfell and the loot train battle, shit just explodes where Drogon breathes fire). So in your vaccine analogy, dragon fire is like the polio vaccine stuffed into a grenade.
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So you rate dragon fire heat at a 10 and dragon fire magic at a 10.

But White Walker cold at a 5 and White Walker magic at a 6.

Based on what?
 
I hope:
Sam is murdered
The citadel is burnt to the ground
GRRM never gets to finish his book

Why don't you jump on Team No Book Wankers and come on in for the big win?
 
Dante said:
So you rate dragon fire heat at a 10 and dragon fire magic at a 10.

But White Walker cold at a 5 and White Walker magic at a 6.

Based on what?
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Based on them dying from a scratch by dragon-fire related stuff.
 
Dante said:
There is no lore about dragon fire coming up against White Walkers. Bran says as much. Nobody has any idea what happens an unstoppable force (the heat of dragon fire) meets an immovable object (the cold of White Walkers). Your logic is faulty because you assume an outcome based on incomplete evidence.

Book wankers gonna book wank.
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This doesn't even have to do with the books, it's inconsistent within the boundaries of the show alone. They should have hired you, you make better arguments than the show. Many of your points are good bar the one common flaw: they are not given in the show.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
They were fired in to the back of the Wights. That's going to do nothing to disrupt their formations at the front, which is where the Dothraki are charging. The Mongols hailed arrows upon the front ranks they were going to charge in to because it disrupted their formations.

The situation was impossible, sure. But that doesn't mean the human defenders would abandon all sense of tactics or strategy. It's not a case of hindsight, most people identified the charge as idiotic the second it started, no half decent commander would ever have OK'ed it.

I'm not a book reader, but a light cavalry only army with no armour or lances isn't nigh on invincible in any way, shape or form. That would make no sense. In the TV show they've only won a single big battle on screen (ambushing a spaghetti line of Lannister troops with dragon support) and otherwise have just been spoken about.
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They are not Mongols. Dothraki might be based on them, but that doesn't mean they have to mimic them in every way. That's like complaining about the dragons because they weren't present in the War Of The Roses.

You still haven't told us who gave the order to charge. I don't know why people are refusing to consider that this blood thirsty horde might just have charged without instruction, entirely against the plan.
 
Dante said:
There is no lore about dragon fire coming up against White Walkers. Bran says as much. Nobody has any idea what happens an unstoppable force (the heat of dragon fire) meets an immovable object (the cold of White Walkers). Your logic is faulty because you assume an outcome based on incomplete evidence.

Book wankers gonna book wank.
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You know how fecking childish you sound by constantly having to revert to a go to insult like book wankers? It's as bad as snow flake generation. Grow up FFS.

I haven't even read the books yet, I'm about half way through the 2nd and Dany hasn't even hatched the dragons in the books at that point.

You miss the point completely.

As others have said in the last few moments you really are coming across as a complete an utter troll and very immature and struggling to come up with idiotic reasoning to defend the show.
 
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GhastlyHun said:
This doesn't even have to do with the books, it's inconsistent within the boundaries of the show alone. They should have hired you, you make better arguments than the show. Many of your points are good bar the one common flaw: they are not given in the show.
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The show has demonstrated that flames can't touch White Walkers. Those boundaries are set out very clearly.

Could really, really, really hot flames touch White Walkers? Bran wasn't sure. It turns out the answer was no. It's simply an extension of the previously set out logic.

There was no reason to believe otherwise and totally within the boundaries of the show. It was only theorietical up to that point.
 
GhastlyHun said:
You're making up bullshit in defense of the show's poor writing.
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I'm not making up anything. I'm applying the lore presented in the narrative.

Dragon fire has never defeated a White Walker in history. You're speculating that it would based on incomplete logic.
 
Keefy18 said:
You know how fecking childish you sound by constantly having to revert to a go to insult like book wankers? It's as bad as snow flake generation. Grow up FFS.

I haven't even read the books yet, I'm about half way through the 2nd and Dany hasn't even hatched the dragons in the books at that point.

You miss the point completely.

As others have said in the last few moments you really are coming across as a complete an utter troll and very immature and struggling to come up with idiotice reasoning to defend the show.
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Then why bring up GRRM?
 
@GhastlyHun I'll put it to you too. Who ordered the charge? There seems to be a willful ignorance to the possibility that the blood thirsty, fairly simple minded Dothraki could have just fecked off by themselves, particularly when you see their apparent commander looking confused at the legions of Dothraki passing him by.
 
I disagree with @Dante on a fair few of the points he has said over the last few pages, but the WW's being immune to dragonfire isn't one of them. Bran literally says that nobody has tested dragonfire against the NK and he doesnt know whether it will work.

Turns out it doesnt. If anyone seriously thought anything other than that was going to happen, they were just setting themselves up for a disappointment. It was more telegraphed than Valencia's crossing.
 
Dante said:
Then why bring up GRRM?
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Because its stupid writing within the show and one I am almost certain GRRM will not use within his writing.

I'm not using it as factual as yet, cause as you point out at this point in time we don't know. I'm pointing out that it's a serious stretch to believe that dragon fire won't kill a white walker or NK but if a dragon breaths fire on stone that is then cut into a knife it becomes the instrument to save all of humanity?

Get fecked its bloody stupid and a ridiculous stretch.
 
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