Cop in America doing a bad job, again

4bars said:
I don't know what are you talking about or what you read. I said I cheer for it. Nothing that you can do or have an opinion about it

And of course I would compare their job to mine. I am paid to do my job as they do. Nobody forced them to do their job. So yeah, Only the ones that go overboard to their job should be treat special.

You asked me the bolded part and I referred some videos that someone posted at the same page or the one before (@villain ) If you don't have enough sorry, not sorrry
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I’m not sure you understood my question, or maybe we crossed wires somewhere along the line.

Originally you said all good things cops do is what the “fecking job” is. I just wanted you to clarify what that was so we were on the same page because you then compared that to you making a sale. A person in a sales job seems easily defined, whereas comparing it to a policeman doing good things was vague and just saying “it’s their fecking job” left me wondering what you defined their job duties as. No worries though, easier just to leave it at this point.
 
MrMarcello said:
Without knowing the full ins and outs of LEO, why not make policing a federal civil service across the nation?
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Sorry for not responding to this earlier. Do you mean all under one centralized umbrella? I remember reading an article on it which mentioned some of the issues it would run into were that having one giant force like that would be hard to regulate and police itself as opposed to multiple different departments all able to police each other (whether you believe it actually happens or not now is another story I suppose). Secondly, having one federalized department would leave it more prone to political abuse from whichever party is in power at the time.

Whether it works on that national scale in general, I also don’t know, although at the very least having a more unified operating procedure in general might go some way to limiting ways in which departments can fall foul of the more day to day issues.
 
Skizzo said:
Did they ever actually say that he fired? I heard them put out the 417 but then it seems they went straight to firing. Bad enough that the driver was firing while driving, but then it sounded like he was encouraging his partner to shoot too.
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don't think they heard/saw the suspect firing. The driver officer is on probation so they fired him. The partner officer facing discipline.
 
ivaldo said:
No, I said it quoting George Owen, and then you quoted me. It’s a bit strange of you to jump in mid conversation and then expect me not to reference points you quoted me about in the first place. You’re getting yourself muddled up.
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Well, Now we are just discussing something that doesn't bring to anything. lets leave it here
 
Skizzo said:
I’m not sure you understood my question, or maybe we crossed wires somewhere along the line.

Originally you said all good things cops do is what the “fecking job” is. I just wanted you to clarify what that was so we were on the same page because you then compared that to you making a sale. A person in a sales job seems easily defined, whereas comparing it to a policeman doing good things was vague and just saying “it’s their fecking job” left me wondering what you defined their job duties as. No worries though, easier just to leave it at this point.
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That is what I said. Read the bolted part

4bars said:
The good things...Is their fecking job to do the good things. They are getting trained and paid to do that. Not a low salary. I don't get an air time when I do a big sale in my job. Why they should get air time to do their job? they chose to put themselves in those situations. And yes, when they do something heroic that goes above their pay check, it has air time

And there are way more things that they are not aired like the ones in the video than heroic ones. The rest, their fecking job, mate
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And sure you don't expect me to give every example of what is their job. Specially when there are so many divisions. Not even if I would know everything (that obliviously I don't know), I would not list it.

But lets say what is said about the police. To serve and protect. Some they do, some they do more than others. Very few goes further than that and not few do the opposite (though is a matter of perception)
 
4bars said:
Well, Now we are just discussing something that doesn't bring to anything. lets leave it here
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Hmmm. It's fine sometimes to just say, 'oops, misinterpreted what was put there.'

I replied to someone else, you've responded to my reply, and then assumed everything I've posted was directed at you. Whatever.
 
ivaldo said:
Hmmm. It's fine sometimes to just say, 'oops, misinterpreted what was put there.'

I replied to someone else, you've responded to my reply, and then assumed everything I've posted was directed at you. Whatever.
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I see that you don't want to let it go because you think that you "win" something. I simply left it because you didn't get it and I know where you were confused. But I didn't want to make this a petty discussion. But what the hell. Lets go

I interpret you perfectly fine. yes. I jump to your comment and I wanted to remark. Is how a forum works. Is not a private conversation. And you put one remark to the person you quoted and and then yo put the same remark to me quoting me. So no, it was not about him but to me as well.

More petty discussion coming I reckon?
 
4bars said:
I see that you don't want to let it go because you think that you "win" something. I simply left it because you didn't get it and I know where you were confused. But I didn't want to make this a petty discussion. But what the hell. Lets go

I interpret you perfectly fine. yes. I jump to your comment and I wanted to remark. Is how a forum works. Is not a private conversation. And you put one remark to the person you quoted and and then yo put the same remark to me quoting me. So no, it was not about him but to me as well.

More petty discussion coming I reckon?
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“Whatever” implies the exact opposite.

Because I was talking about that person. I make a comment. You question comment. I clarify comment. You think the target of my comment suddenly changes to you. So yes. You have misinterpreted.
 
4bars said:
But lets say what is said about the police. To serve and protect. Some they do, some they do more than others. Very few goes further than that and not few do the opposite (though is a matter of perception)
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So in this perception do you have actual numbers of “few goes further” and “not few do the opposite?” Or is it just kind of based loosely on what you think?
 
ivaldo said:
“Whatever” implies the exact opposite.

Because I was talking about that person. I make a comment. You question comment. I clarify comment. You think the target of my comment suddenly changes to you. So yes. You have misinterpreted.
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You critizied people that criticize the policiçe in thus thread. And you implied that they dont do it in a constructive way. And said that they say they are a buch of moçurderous gang of rapist. If soneone said that, it scaped my read. And certainly wasn't more than 1. So is a straw man falkacy. Then i am some if the ones that criticize the police that means i feel interpelled at you wrong generalization. So i said no. I didnt musinterpret a thing

Nope. Your turn to say yes and ad infinitum. Halurray to petty discussions on boring times
 
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Skizzo said:
So in this perception do you have actual numbers of “few goes further” and “not few do the opposite?” Or is it just kind of based loosely on what you think?
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any official numbers that if i would bother trying to do some research would be wrong if how we see, is quite difficult to file a claim and they protect each other dont you think?
 
4bars said:
You critizied people that criticize the policiçe in thus thread. And you implied that they dont do it in a constructive way. And said that they say they are a buch of moçurderous gang of rapist. If soneone said that, it scaped my read. And certainly wasn't more than 1. So is a straw man falkacy. Then i am some if the ones that criticize the police that means i feel interpelled at you wrong generalization. So i said no. I didnt musinterpret a thing

Nope. Your turn to say yes and ad infinitum. Halurray to petty discussions on boring times
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I guessing you've been drinking. Escaped you? It's about 80% of the thread. :lol: Why just flat out lie?
 
@4bars some of us can see the point you are trying to make. Unfortunately there are those that never will.... Probably should move on.
 
4bars said:
Dont drink much alcohol. Thanks for another fallacy. You are an expert. As @afrocentricity says ill leave ot here. You win. Hail yo you
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:lol: Alright fella. Sometimes it's just OK to admit you misinterpreted something as opposed to rambling on, kidding no one. I see Skizzo has come up against the same nonsense. Bye.
 
ivaldo said:
You think Choi and Skizzo wouldn’t like to see that happen? I’m really not surprised they become exasperated in this thread. It seems the driving force of a select few here is to paint the police as as a raging, mass murdering, corrupt bunch of rapists. It’s bizarre that this sweeping generalisation seems to be perfectly acceptable, but not within other areas of society. It’s such a strange level of devotion.
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You think we don't know there are good cops inside the force?

Of course there are a lot of good cops, but that doesn't erase the fact that institutional racism and corruption within the US police is completely real.

I hope Skizzo and Choi would like to see the corruption and racism swept away from the police. They could do a lot in that regard, been inside the force, and i hope they are doing it (posting "good cops" videos here is not it).

This is the "US coppers doing a bad job" thread, and it exist for good reasons.
 
George Owen said:
You think we don't know there are good cops inside the force?

Of course there are a lot of good cops, but that doesn't erase the fact that institutional racism and corruption within the US police is completely real.

I hope Skizzo and Choi would like to see the corruption and racism swept away from the police. They could do a lot in that regard, been inside the force, and i hope they are doing it (posting "good cops" videos here is not it).

This is the "US coppers doing a bad job" thread, and it exist for good reasons.
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In the same vein, is anyone in here doing anything besides posting videos and complaining about racist, murdering coppers? Posting them to a UK based football team Internet forum probably only does so much to impact US based police policies.

I’d argue that for all the grief we get for posting in here, we do more than most of the ones who find our presence so antagonizing :)
 


I'll await the spin and justifications of these 'isolated' incidents.

Sorry, posted already but still a good watch.
 
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Skizzo said:
In the same vein, is anyone in here doing anything besides posting videos and complaining about racist, murdering coppers? Posting them to a UK based football team Internet forum probably only does so much to impact US based police policies.

I’d argue that for all the grief we get for posting in here, we do more than most of the ones who find our presence so antagonizing :)
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We have plenty users from the United States. You never know who might be reading, could be the one who gonna change it all. (also, usually the videos posted here are from twitter, so it's an international audience one click away)

Raising the issues and keeping the discussion alive is good enough. Sharing information and creating awareness can only be a good thing.

I personally don't have antagonizing feelings towards you. Appreciate your input/insights. I "like" good cop videos in Twitter if I came across one, and if you want to keep posting them here, fair enough, but don't expect a parade for it, at least until the bad cops are a thing of the past.
 
George Owen said:
We have plenty users from the United States. You never know who might be reading, could be the one who gonna change it all. (also, usually the videos posted here are from twitter, so it's an international audience one click away)

Raising the issues and keeping the discussion alive is good enough. Sharing information and creating awareness can only be a good thing.

I personally don't have antagonizing feelings towards you. Appreciate your input/insights. I "like" good cop videos in Twitter if I came across one, and if you want to keep posting them here, fair enough, but don't expect a parade for it, at least until the bad cops are a thing of the past.
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I agree in theory, but scroll back through the last few pages and what kinds of good things come from that? If it opens up discussion then I see the benefit, but any comments other than blindly agreeing with the majority are shouted down and met with comments ranging from comparing all cops to just covering for each other, being called boot lickers, or just being told we’ll never understand :rolleyes:

I wasn’t intending to call you out personally for it, and i don’t harbor any ill will against anyone in here as I know it’s coming from a good place to try and solve something which is a major issue.
 
RedPed said:


I'll await the spin and justifications of these 'isolated' incidents.

Sorry, posted already but still a good watch.
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Watching that, it's no surprise that the american public have no trust in their police force. You have to wonder how stupid all the officers are as well, just do what every other organisation does if they don't care about complaints, but wants to appear to. Give a form and then put it straight into storage never to be looked at.
 


Tweet is a thread.

This historian has a 55-tweet thread that breaks down exactly what went down:



Also there's this article from a few years ago:

https://mashable.com/2016/01/10/1985-move-bombing/?europe=true

The only person to go to jail was one of the victims of the bombings, charged for "inciting a riot"

A police officer who saved one of the victims life was forced to leave due to harassment from his fellow colleagues including writing "N-word lover" on his locker.
 
Can somebody explain to me how a major institution is allowed to so openly, flagrantly and so repeatedly disregard the very same laws, principles and ethics that it is supposed to represent and not be held accountable to any meaningful extent?
 
RedPed said:
Can somebody explain to me how a major institution is allowed to so openly, flagrantly and so repeatedly disregard the very same laws, principles and ethics that it is supposed to represent and not be held accountable to any meaningful extent?
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it's is a young country that was founded on genocide and slavery, which got rich through funding wars and later starting wars across the world. Major and consistent crimes against humanity are the bedrock of american justice.
 
villain said:


Tweet is a thread.

This historian has a 55-tweet thread that breaks down exactly what went down:



Also there's this article from a few years ago:

https://mashable.com/2016/01/10/1985-move-bombing/?europe=true

The only person to go to jail was one of the victims of the bombings, charged for "inciting a riot"

A police officer who saved one of the victims life was forced to leave due to harassment from his fellow colleagues including writing "N-word lover" on his locker.
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Lets compensate with a couple of vudeos of white policemen getting off the car to randomly play with black kids and everytjing is forgiven...or so some people think
 
Silva said:
it's is a young country that was founded on genocide and slavery, which got rich through funding wars and later starting wars across the world. Major and consistent crimes against humanity are the bedrock of american justice.
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There really is nothing good about that country. Their police are just the worst. Disgraceful. And to think these are just the stories we hear about or are fortunately captured on camera.
 
4bars said:
Lets compensate with a couple of vudeos of white policemen getting off the car to randomly play with black kids and everytjing is forgiven...or so some people think
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Hey that’s not fair...



There’s black policemen too.

And to mix it up a little for you before it goes stale, here’s something a little different too!

 
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