Well it went exactly to the leak . I was hoping it was a joke . Perfectly terrible ending to a terrible season.
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And that tightens the plotting up. However you still have the main problem of the last few seasons, that being the showrunners lacking basic storytelling skills. A little person shooting his dad on the toilet with a crossbow is a precarious plot marker. But if you build one hell of a story around it then it can work.
But I definitely agree that simplifying the plot* would have been the way to go.
*this doesn't mean you can't have complex characters before someone jumps on me because they don't understand
They really should have made it more obvious if Jon had become a Wildling by having him wear their clothing. It's just too ambiguous otherwise and having him be the Commander of the Nights Watch would be such a feckin shit end to his character.
The whole thing about Jon being the rightful King was just brushed under the carpet. It's too funny when you think about it
D&D forgot about that storyline.
In all seriousness, for them to not even have a sentence of dialogue to explain this is just ridiculous. It's been one of the main themes of the entire fecking season and his parentage has been argued about since Season 1!
1 > 3 = 4 = 2 > 6 >>> 5 > 7 >>> 8
I think that 6 has the best episode in the history of television. 'The Winds of Winter' is perfection itself. The scene with Ned getting baby Jon followed by King in the North was so emotional and amazing. The nuking of the church with Djawaldi's music... Also, the season had Hold the Door episode, one of the most shocking twists ever. Battle of Bastards was a bit brainless but epic.
In original viewing, I liked fourth most, cause I almost have a gay crush in Oberyn (maybe my favourite character in the books), but in rewatching which I did last year, it wasn't as good as 1 and 3. 1 with Sean Bean as main protagonist is right there with the greatest seasons in any TV show IMO. 3 was very good too, and 2 has the best dialogues (Tyrion with Varys and Tywin with Arya) in the entire show.
5th was when the writing started going to crap. Bar the Battle of Hardhorne, there isn't much good there. I thought that it cannot be topped (bottomed) but 7th was even worse. While the Dracarys episode was great, the rest of it was shit and nothing made sense.
8th is just an abomination. The music and the cinematography are great, but the writing is Dexter-like (seasons 5-8) level. I think that the finale was as good as it could have been after that penultimate episode though.
D&D forgot about that storyline.
In all seriousness, for them to not even have a sentence of dialogue to explain this is just ridiculous. It's been one of the main themes of the entire fecking season and his parentage has been argued about since Season 1!
Didn't mind that too much. Seems like after Daenerys died they finally reached the conclusion that the line of succession is a load of shit and just leads to a load of horrible, entitled people taking power. Jon had no interest in being King and trying to push for him to become that would have led to another war, which nobody wanted.
Although they really didn't do much with it, was only really relevant in contributing to Dany's downfall.
To be fair, this seems to have been deliberate. Jon gonna defeat the Whitewalkers, everyone though...it was Arya. Jaime (the little brother) is gonna kill Cersei...nah, a house kills her. Then the last and this episode gave the impression that Arya is gonna kill Dany, but it was Jon to do so.
The resurrection kind of makes sense IMO. While we thought that it was cause Jon is special (being Targ, a chosen one and so on), it seems that everyone (Jon, Arya and Dany) who was important to defeating them would have been resurrected too. Beric Dondarrion was resurrected 6 times cause he was needed to save Arya. Jon was needed to unite the North with the wildlings and bring Dany in the north. Dany was needed cause of her dragons.
R'hllor works in a mysterious way.
Jon not ending up as the King is ok but not even mentioning it during that shitty reunion they had when they were giving options for King ? That's just weird to me
Best ending I ever saw. Absolutely brilliant television. The whole sixth season is great.I liked Sopranos last episode.
So Jon was overlooked as a) neither the Unsullied nor Dothraki would accept it and b) Westeros was taking its first steps away from inherited power and, therefore, breaking the wheel.
Is that right?
If so, it's not that fecking contentious is it?
Is that right?
If so, it's not that fecking contentious is it?
Rumours say that it is gonna be set in The Old Republic, so a KOTOR adaptation seems to be the leading contender.
I'd probably go 1, 3, 2, 4, 6, 5, 7, 8 order wise. First three are quite interchangeable though, and I prefer certain aspects of 5 to 6 but found 6 more entertaining overall.
But it was the very reason why Sansa broke her oath and told Tyrion. Which was why Varys was ultimately killed. They all came to the conclusion that Jon was the far better choice to be King. How else were they expecting Jon to achieve this outcome? His best friend, 3 family members, his chief adviser and the guy he just saved (Tyrion) were all present in the meeting and not one of them name checks him? What a bunch of cnuts.
Biggest feck up( except, well the whole main plot) in whole season are numbers. They are all fighting from day one and still have thousands of soldiers. Northerners were with Rob in battles, then on red wedding, then battle of bastards, then battle for Winterfell and still there are thousands of them in last battle and after that. Lannisters the same. And what to say about Dothraki and unsullied? .
.It's all shit my man. That council scene was like something out of a parody.
I mean ffs they made Bronn Master of Coin and Lord of the Reach, you really can't do anything but laugh about all of it.
Tbf at that point he was Grey Worm's prisoner and they were moving away from the "rightful king" approach anyway. Can hardly nominate Jon when he's specifically the guy Grey Worm wants dead. Losing the throne is the price he pays for killing Dany really.
What irked me far more is the fact that Tyrion was randomly allowed to nominate a king in that situation, or how sanguine Grey Worm was when his demands for Jon's death were downgraded to a non-verifiable promise that Jon would go home to rejoin a organisation he still basically runs.
Johns gonna have to kill Dany isn’t he
At the end of it all John will denounce his right to the throne and take back his place of lord commander at the wall and, as a guess, instead of handing down his claim to the throne to Sansa he’ll disband it back to the seven separate kindoms for them all to live happy ever after for a few hundred years.
Well i was on the right path at least.
You'd be a great lawyer if you're not already
But it was the very reason why Sansa broke her oath and told Tyrion. Which was why Varys was ultimately killed. They all came to the conclusion that Jon was the far better choice to be King. How else were they expecting Jon to achieve this outcome? His best friend, 3 family members, his chief adviser and the guy he just saved (Tyrion) were all present in the meeting and not one of them name checks him? What a bunch of cnuts.
True. Fecking Tyrion walks away as the second most powerful man in all of Westeros, and the most powerful actual person since Brann is some weird mystical being now.
Poor Jon has to feck off and never take part in the affairs of Westeros again, even though it was Tyrion who convinced him to actually do it.
And all Tyrion can do to comfort him when he asks if it was the right decision is go 'ehhh .. i dunno bro ask in 10 years might have been a goof'
.Why didn't Bran just facking pardon Jon. You know with him being king and all...
The toilet scene is brilliant, complete destruction of his fathers dignity. A fitting ending to a nasty character
What about when he was saying his goodbyes to the family ? Couldn't Sansa or Arya say something to that effect " It could/should have been you".
Tyrion, in a blink of an eye, going from prisonner to the one choosing Bran was incredibly stupid, who the feck comes up with an idea like that ?
What is the point of night's watch now?
Bran is the biggest cnut of all the Kingdoms. He just wanted that throne and nothing else
I'm going to sign it now to spite that cnut.
Because they were basically still negotiating with Grey Worm who had Jon prisoner and wanted him dead. Thus the compromise, as Tyrion explained to Jon.
Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day.
I wish I could be as stoic as Piers 'couldn't even handle one mouthful of a fecking vegan sausage roll' Morgan.
Definitely doesn't complain all the time about stupid shit like fireman sam being rebranded as firefighter sam, nope not at all.
I get that but Grey Worm had no authority to make any demands. He had Jon hostage though I guess.
Because 2000 unsullied will hear that and sail back across the sea and burn Westeros.
Who gives a feck what that prat Piers thinks? Quoting his shite just makes him relevant.
I thought the petition was silly but I'll sign it now , give me back my hours
, give me back my hoursObviously they got a fair few things wrong this season. But with Jon going beyond the wall again. I feel like they could of teased something for the future. Some sort of blue eyes on a child or something. It's just pretty sad now that it's done.
Not many hour + 16 min youtube vids I'd bother sitting through but couldn't stop watching that.
I think I might rewatch it soon. Wire too
I feel the Arya going west ‘to lands not yet explored’ sounds like a perfect spin off setting.
He's the boss. Show never recovered from his loss.