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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
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Basically if he died when the assassin came for him in season one he'd have had the exact same impact on the story as he has had.
Even before that. People think the dagger thing actually changed anything, but it really didn't. Like at all. It just gave Cat something to do.
Short answer: educated guess I'd bet the writers thought it would 'resonate' with the ending farewells.
Slightly longer answer: A tiny tiny part of it could be budgetary like other people have said. But it's likely just related to a foible of the writing process on shows.
This is still a gross oversimplification, but generally speaking, entertainment writing consists of 'shit we want to see happen' and 'now how do we make that believable'. So in a TV show for example, before they go into a season they throw up/brainstorm all these 'cool beats' - Jon seeing Arya again; Brienne writing about Jamie; Brienne getting knighted; Melisandre lighting the Dothraki scimitars, etc etc - and then fight/discuss about which to keep as they map out everything and then go about the longer process of filling in the blanks.
What happens in a 'rushed' production is it's rare they drastically reduce all of the 'shit we want to see happen/crowd pleasing' beats and instead skimp on the connective tissue.
From there you get to the writers' intentions/ability; as mentioned earlier they might have thought the reunions would 'resonate' with the ending farewells, with that reasoning contributing to their 'winning out' over other beats that got cut during the brainstorming process.
From there you get into even more complex stuff such as clauses in actors' contracts about screentime etc. (absolutely no idea if that was at play)
Well he said so at the end. "Its why I'm here". Again made no sense. If you know you're going to be king but don't want it, don't be there, Bran.
Also, what was the point of him venturing beyond the wall?
Still doesn't excuse them wasting two episodes. Everything could have been crammed into one episode.
Why does every main character need to "impact the story in any game changing way" or not be in the show at all? Who makes these rules?!?
I just reread it - this is why I don't like posting with my phone
I think I tried to say once Jon knew his heritage his feelings towards dany changed
Before that there was a chance he would live happily with her meaning she would be happy too
Yup, you’re bang on the money there. He loved her but couldn’t deal with the incest, extremely important detail there for both characters and their chance of a happy ever after.
Yup, you’re bang on the money there. He loved her but couldn’t deal with the incest, extremely important detail there for both characters and their chance of a happy ever after.
Wuss.
Also there must be at least ten posters in here who once the finale aired said they had read the leaks
Also there must be at least ten posters in here who once the finale aired said they had read the leaks
There's more who haven't admitted it and probably never will.
I've even joked about one recently...
I thought it would have been a nice call back if at the end of the show they showed Drogon placing her body amongst some eggs it had laid and then burnt them to hatch the eggs. The same way Dany burned Drogo's body to hatch Drogon and the other two. He lost his whole family in Westeros so went back to Essos to start a new one.
Yeah i'm pretty sure HBO and GRRM wanted to do 10 seasons/100 episodes.
I would have loved that but it wasn't to be. In hindsight they maybe should have just hired new showrunners and took their time.
Think the season as a whole has been been a total clusterfeck, but I honestly didn't think they did too bad an the finale. Thought the scene with Jon and Danny leading to her demise was very well done, ok the dragon burning the throne was a bit stupid but this is fantasy. Think the season as a whole should have definitely been spread across 10 episodes, think that was the main problem, they had to compress everything. Overall the show has taken a bit of a knock in my books as a whole, still one of the best TV shows ever but it really could have been even more if they got this last season right.
I really hope so too! It's good to see maturity in discussions too. Tx
That was a batty ending. Jon Snow should have been King. Instead he got sent off beyond the wall. Why? What was the greyworm going do to about it? They should have done a proper coup and killed him too.
Season 7 was all about the build up to John’s real heritage. What a feckin waste in the end.
When Jon kills Dany is it traitorous anyway since he is the rightful heir? 
So he could have basically just told them all to feck off as he was a Targ and then made whoever he wanted to be King or Queen if he didn't want it.
So he could have basically just told them all to feck off as he was a Targ and then made whoever he wanted to be King or Queen if he didn't want it.There was someone on here who "guessed" Jon kills Dany & Drogon burns down the iron throne without reading the leaks. Apparently.Also there must be at least ten posters in here who once the finale aired said they had read the leaks
Technically, sure. And if you could make that work, more power to you. (Dollars to donuts, you'd end up with fans outraged that they'd waited a year to see the reunions that were 'so rushed' - in long run, that's not a problem really) But again, that's where you get into writer talent/ability and from there the other constraining factors. They might have thought that after the year-long hiatus, fans would have wanted 'proper' reunions and thus decided to devote more screen time to them.
Not arguing that the writing was anything but poor.
Word 'on the street' is that HBO was concerned about the remaining story space and wanted the showrunners to commit to more eps in order to properly handle the writing. One season for the whitewalkers and one season for Dany's descent. But the writers wanted to finish up and go after the Star Wars money.
I actually agree with this but not so much in relation to game of thrones which in my opinion did have a massive fall from grace in the past two seasons. There are of course lots of ‘Bro nerds’ on YouTube who just jump on the bandwagon and criticise it just for likes but there’s some good thoughtful analysis from many others.
Again, I do agree that there’s a tendency towards sneering cynicism but the writers of GoT have certainly invited it.
I dread to think how some of the masterpieces of cinema, art and literature would be received in the internet age though
Jon killing Dany, for sure. But Drogon burning the iron throne? Hmmm.
Dany got the throne via conquest, to be fair. Unsullied and Dothraki don't give a shit about Targaryan blood.When Jon kills Dany is it traitorous anyway since he is the rightful heir?
At the end of Sam showing Tyrion the Song of Ice and Fire book, they may as well have had Tyrion look at it and remark that it's not finished yet, and then Sam looks at the camera, winks, and says "it never will be". What a stupid scene.
As a fighter and schemer Bronn's useful to have on side working for you provided you're paying him, but...like, why the feck is he in charge of finances?
Make him a war general or something. He'd be fecking brilliant at that! But finances clearly aren't his thing. Some severe embezzlement waiting to happen.
Yeah, that was weird.
They needed a Master of War as well.
Bronn is useful to have on your side, but is he really somebody you'd want in a position of supreme power when you're trying to build a better, more merciful and fairer world? He's utterly selfish and brutal to boot, he will do anything for a purse. His kids will likely be brought up the same way.
That last scene was just for the #bantz.
What happened to Nymeria.
They should have just made Pot Pie king, at least no one would have gone hungry.
How the f*ck do you GoT fans keep up with the zillions of characters?!? I couldn't keep up with War and Peace, let alone this...
If Dany supports Liverpool (only posed with Salah, didn't confirm), I can totally understand her getting within touching distance of the Iron Throne and then bottling it.
Well, having eyes helps to distinguish them apart. That's a pretty useful skill in life.
Ah, that's where I'm going wrong.Well, having eyes helps to distinguish them apart. That's a pretty useful skill in life.
Oh dear, don't turn me off Emilia Clarke.If Dany supports Liverpool (only posed with Salah, didn't confirm), I can totally understand her getting within touching distance of the Iron Throne and then bottling it.
Kit Harrington is a United fan too. Truly ice and fire.
But in all seriousness, its a pretty overwhelming show initially because there are so many characters and names being thrown about in the dialogue at a fairly rapid rate. Takes a bit of time to join the dots together.
I should rewatch War and Peace, that was quality.
Science has found that GoT watchers, and even more so those who have read the books, are especially intelligent, beautiful, and generally successful at life.