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Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Compared to what City and our spending many would agree that he has done a fantastic job to compete at this level.
How about player like Alexander-Arnold, Robertson, Matip, Capt Hendo, Milner, Wilnadjum, Shaqiri and etc who he either signed them unknown/average or improve them massively under him? Even Mane and Fabinho were nowhere near their best before joining Liverpool.
Say what you want about Liverpool structure and Michael Edwards. Before Kloop, their signing success rate is not that impressive.
Exactly. He's the best for Liverpool's circumstances.
He is the best manager for Liverpool and that is enough. Liverpool's net spent is £142m since 2015, which is less than Bournemouth(£151m), Arsenal(£166m), Everton(£189m), Man United(£353m) and Man City(£496m), and Klopp basically built a whole new team from Goalie to Striker and with depth in bench too. In his 4 seasons he gave Liverpool 3 European finals, a 2nd place EPL finish with 97 pts this season, and finally a CL trophy. I am happy for him to fulfill his promise to deliver a title to liverpool in 4 years, so that he doesn't need to work in Switzerland.
Net spend is pretty irrelevant though when a desperate team like Barça overpays beyond belief for one of your players. It’d be like doing the same for Dortmund with the Dembele sale.
That said, Klopp is tremendous, but most of us knew that long before he arrived at Liverpool.
Like I said over a season they will definitely be better than that Dortmund side because Dortmund didn't have the strength in depth that this Liverpool team has. But when it comes to first XI v first XI I think this Dortmund team can beat them.
The major difference between Liverpool and Dortmund is this time Klopp can keep his best players and build onto it. He no longer lose his best player every summer.
Pretty much agree with this. If he did keep those Dortmund players in 2011-13 together, who knows?
Yea, losing Gotze immediately after the 12/13 season was tragic (though blame does go to Dortmund and Klopp for replacing him with Mhikitaryan in a summer when Eriksen was also available, De Bruyne was their first choice but Chelsea refused to sell him to them). But also the Dortmund team never had the funds Klopp has now with Liverpool, all of those signings were cheap and so Klopp didn't have the finances to change weaker parts of his squad or improve his bench. You couldn't imagine Klopp having a 58 million pound player (Keita) on the bench at Dortmund.
The best managers are more important than the best players. Imagine Liverpool signing Messi in 2015 and some not so great coach. I'm sure they'd have been worse off than signing Klopp who transformed them into a great team capable of beating Messi's Barca 4:0.
Klopp's touchline antics are annoying but he is a superb manager. Still, I don't think he will end Liverpool's PL draught unless he is patient enough to endure Guardiola's stint at City.
Klopp's touchline antics are annoying but he is a superb manager. Still, I don't think he will end Liverpool's PL draught unless he is patient enough to endure Guardiola's stint at City.
Their signings are more to do with their quality scouting structure than Klopp himself.
Fair play to him. He got the best out of his players and won the CL playing some sexy stuff along the way knocking out Barca and Bayern. He certanly doesn't have the best players or the squad in Europe. I just hope (and a lot of us here as well) that yesterday was a pinnacle for them and not the beggining of something special regarding Liverpool.
There was no meltdown. Did you even follow that season or just looked at the results and jumped to conclusions?
Only a matter of time before he wins the league with Liverpool 
He lifts every single player. Yep, the quality is there but not on a level to be so good and be among the very elite.
And he will probably not feck off until he wins EPL. Reckon Pep might leave City sooner.
Feck it, but fair play.
And he will probably not feck off until he wins EPL. Reckon Pep might leave City sooner.
Feck it, but fair play.
why it wouldnt be relevent? net spending is what you spent - what you sold, if he wasnt sell coutinho there wont be Allison, VVD and Fabinho there. he also desperately overpays to get them. For those who keep saying net spending is irrelevant i really dont get it.
Same dentist as Fermino.
we have been hearing this for years now even under kloppOnly a matter of time before he wins the league with Liverpool
Awesome manager and us not getting him was arguably our biggest blunder post-Fergie
However, the notion that he is better than Pep because Pep spent money is bollocks - he has spent a ton, but unlike us he spent it well. Same as Pep.
From some of the things being said/written you’d think he’d done a Leicester or something.
However, the notion that he is better than Pep because Pep spent money is bollocks - he has spent a ton, but unlike us he spent it well. Same as Pep.
From some of the things being said/written you’d think he’d done a Leicester or something.
Behind Pep? But Pep has to spend a billion quid to make a decent team. Klopp has hardly spent a thing to do what he has done. I know he’s the Liverpool manager but there is no denying what a fantastic manager he is and I’m just gutted he can never manage us now.
Woodward tried to sign him telling him stories that United is like Disneyland.
He has the most expensive defender and the second most expensive keeper? Just because they lucked out by selling Coutinho for shit loads doesn't mean he barely spent a thing.
Depends on what team you have. Endless money, Pep. If you work on a budget, Klopp. Pep's sytle only works with a top team, otherwise he wouldnt win a lot. Klopp can work his magic with a good side and some top transfers, while Pep needs a whole new team. For most teams, Klopp would be the better manager, while Pep needs to work with the best teams in the league or the richest, which he has done throughout his career.
Pep and Klopp both are top managers and motivators. Their eye for details and quest to improve every single detail to leave nothing to coincidence and mostly things in their own hands is remarkable.
It's irrelevant because when a club pays so ridiculously over the odds for one of your players it skews the numbers beyond belief. With Coutinho and without VVD & Alison, Liverpool would be a much much shitter side.
Klopp has bought the World's most expensive defender and the World's second most expensive goalkeeper, but the net spend numbers don't show this because Barca shit the bed when they lost Neymar.
If United somehow managed to sell Martial for €130 euros and brought in De Ligt & Cancello, revolutionising our team, I'd hardly be arguing about how well Ole has done due to net spend; more likely we'd be pissing ourselves that we got 2 players, both whom are better and much more important players than the daft as feck Martial buying club.
Liverpool/Klopp have done an incredible job regardless, it would've been easy to panic like Barca (as they did with Andy Carroll) and spend a ludicrous amount themselves on a Coutinho replacement but they didn't, instead they identified the two weakest areas of their squad and used their windfall wisely to buy two World Class players for those positions.
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Well that’s just rubbish isn’t it. They had to sell their best player and they wisely bought two very good players with that money. Shame our club can’t do the same. We keep buying trash.
And one of the reasons that happened was because Klopp had Coutinho playing the best football of his career under him. That's one of the reasons they got so much money for him.
The second scenario wouldn't happen mainly because our manager(s) aren't as good as Klopp. Players look worse here than they do at other clubs. Paul Pogba has looked a worse player here than he was at Juventus & up until this season people were beginning to think Coutinho was a far better player than him.
Coutinho wasn't their best player man 
He was the most Brazilian and eye catching at the time, right up Barca's street that.
In his final full season he had 17 goals and 9 assits in 39 games (in all competitions). He had absolutely no right whatsoever being sold for €130m, Klopp didn't make him look a €130m player, only Barca's ego did that.
He was the most Brazilian and eye catching at the time, right up Barca's street that.In his final full season he had 17 goals and 9 assits in 39 games (in all competitions). He had absolutely no right whatsoever being sold for €130m, Klopp didn't make him look a €130m player, only Barca's ego did that.
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Well yeah they spent that money very well I'm not debating that. But they still spent a lot of money to improve their team, they just did it very very well unlike us. They were right to spend that much, it truly took them to the next level.
Absolutely. I'm not arguing that, my argument is that net spend in this case is irrelevant.
Sometimes it sucks to be right. Good for him winning the big one, bad for us
Wish he wasnt liverpools manager but credit where its due,hes a brilliant manager and they play good stuff.
He could start winning a lot of trophies with liverpool unfortunately.
He could start winning a lot of trophies with liverpool unfortunately.
Congratulation on spotting the hidden managerial talent that was Jurgen Klopp and for choosing the right moment to give yourself a pat on the back.Sometimes it sucks to be right. Good for him winning the big one, bad for us
It was only hidden under a lot of posters saying he wasnt very good, isnt better than LVG and that Mourinho would be a better pick
Just as Coutinho isn't worth the money payed, so are Van Djik and Allison at the time they were signed. All were inflated.
Finding an elite manager is hard to come by in recent years. When you look at all the top clubs around the world how many of them have a manager you would give a 10 year contract to without a second thought ? There's major question marks around practically every manager in the top level apart from Guardiola and Klopp. City and Liverpool have hit the jackpot really. I wonder how long both will keep their level before they lose their magic touch. Look at Mourinho and how everything he touched between 2004 to 2012 turned to gold but he lost his way after that. Wenger completely capitulated as a manager after 2008. Ferguson looked to be heading in the same direction between 2004 and 2006 but by bleeding in elite talents like Ronaldo and Rooney to rejuivate and inspire the old guard to find one more push and being shrewd enough delegate areas he became somewhat out of touch with like tactics and coaching to the likes of Carlos Queiroz and Rene, allowed him to guide Utd back to the highest level and keep them there till the day he retired.
I wonder what kind of legacy Klopp is creating for himself and how well he will adapt to a game that will evolve over the course of time to be able to sustain his success or whether he will eventually be sussed out like Mourinho and Wenger were.
I wonder what kind of legacy Klopp is creating for himself and how well he will adapt to a game that will evolve over the course of time to be able to sustain his success or whether he will eventually be sussed out like Mourinho and Wenger were.
Some serious humble pie being munched by a few in here. Hilarious stuff.
It also shows how far you can go with a good plan and some patience
It also shows how far you can go with a good plan and some patience
I wouldn't be surprised if Klopp retires early or takes the NT job, he talked about retirement being an option after Liverpool not too long ago and how he doesn't want to die on the bench or go as long as Heynckes.
I don't think he's driven by superlatives, to train the biggest club possible, make as much money as possible or have the biggest trophy cabinet, etc. He was very loyal to Mainz, despite getting relegated with them, he was very loyal to Dortmund and he picked Liverpool when they were painfully mediocre and not exactly splashing the cash.
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Many clubs have these so called modern data analysis for player signings and etc. Only few really get it so right. Also, this is not the first time Kloop build a team to challenge in Europe on budget. Dortmund was also built with Kloop's inputs and their excellent scouting system. Dortmund scouting system have proven to be successful after Kloop left but they never reach the heights with Kloop in helm.
Its the same with City, they too have excellent modern scouting system with data analysis and whatnot but they never reach this height prior to Pep.
I still believe that manager is the most important person and combined with good structure of the football club will result with what we see now with Kloop and Pep.
Finally, I think if Kloop was to leave Liverpool their team will not perform to this level without him. On the other hand, City's have many top players that will still continue to perform really well after Pep albeit not 100 points per season level.
It took him 3 years to win a trophy, but now he's got it right.
Will Ole be given that time. I hope he can get things right.
Will Ole be given that time. I hope he can get things right.