Agree with you. Winks was your best player. He's quickly becoming Carrick-esque, looked a very good player all season really.
A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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I agree. The bottling comments about Pochettino are harsh. The bottling comments directed at Tottenham however...
I agree, Liverpool werent at their best, neither were Spurs. Big opportunity missed though, there was much more in it and i think everyone at and around the club will feel that way for a while now. Got to learn from it, Liverpool were the more experienced side
It's took Pochettino 4 years to get here, would he get that at United, Barcelona or PSG? I very much doubt it.
No but he'd get far more resources at all of those clubs, speeding up the project significantly.
At Barcelona/PSG in particular he wouldn't even have a project, he'd have world class players at his disposal immediately and would just have to add to that.
Poch is top manager, UTD, have decided against him, but who knows if he stays at Spurs, ole gets the tin tack, could be back on?
Thought Spurs were better team last night, pools midfield was awful, but there full backs pulled them out of shit, along with Mane.
Winks was best player on pitch till he came off, Poch rolled the dice keeping Kane on, taking winks off, Moura on, more goalscorers on the better I suppose, Ali couldn't finish his dinner, Spurs had enough of the ball and play in good areas to get something?
Chasing the game for 88mins wasn't what they planned for. Poor game really but spurs were the better footballing side.
It's been pool all season winning games they shouldn't. Hey ho that's how it goes.
Thought Spurs were better team last night, pools midfield was awful, but there full backs pulled them out of shit, along with Mane.
Winks was best player on pitch till he came off, Poch rolled the dice keeping Kane on, taking winks off, Moura on, more goalscorers on the better I suppose, Ali couldn't finish his dinner, Spurs had enough of the ball and play in good areas to get something?
Chasing the game for 88mins wasn't what they planned for. Poor game really but spurs were the better footballing side.
It's been pool all season winning games they shouldn't. Hey ho that's how it goes.
Yeah, wish we had auto correct for "Winning Mentality" "bottler" and few more.
Don't blame him for playing Kane. Trippier was off the pace, and so was Erickson which cut down on the service. I thought Winks did well too, though some on here thought he was poor. Son ran down too many blind alleys. Alli offered nothing.
This was the biggest issue, which nobody really seems to talk about.
You can't blame your striker for not doing much when your prime creative threat has a 2/10 game. Eriksen was absolutely woeful last night, did nothing right. Combine that with Alli also being awful and one of our fullbacks having a mare, and what exactly is your main striker meant to do? We were firing balls in behind to Son all game and he still barely got a sniff.
It's insane how low budget this Spurs team actually is. Really need to keep that in mind to put their league finishes and reaching the CL final in perspective.
Transfer expenditures since 2014/15 (you can play around with different timeframes on transfermarkt, the result is mostly the same - didn't want to post 5 pictures...)
They are 6th in wages, but a lot closer to Everton & West Ham than 5th place.
Transfer expenditures since 2014/15 (you can play around with different timeframes on transfermarkt, the result is mostly the same - didn't want to post 5 pictures...)
They are 6th in wages, but a lot closer to Everton & West Ham than 5th place.
Seriously looking at Potchettino, he is still the best manager out there for getting the most out of a team next to Klopp.
People think that? Wow. He was one of Tottenhams few players that actually played well.
Indeed. Was excellent.
Decision to take him off was the worst of the night from Poch, not starting Kane.
I dunno, I think both were equally poor choices frankly. It reminded me of rushing Rooney back in every England International Tournament and him looking like shit all Tournament. Kane just wasn't his usual self, wasn't stretching the game at all and was losing a lot of the 50/50s. When he's on form he's a real handful, but yesterday both CBs had him dominated for the majority of the game. I also feel at times when you start with Kane your players get into the mindset of "just pass it to Kane". Personally, i'd have started Moura and let him and Son tire out the Liverpool defense and then throw Kane on as a super sub when he's got a point to prove with 30minutes to go. His fitness issues wouldnt be such a big deal when playing against players that have already played 60mins. For what it's worth, I also posted prior to the game that Moura should get the nod, so not a hindsight comment!
I actually thought the first sub off should have been Alli who was having a really poor game. I actually thought all 4 of your attacking players struggled and they only really started to click when Moura was on the pitch. Although that could simply have been the last 10minute, Liverpool being nervous and you guys throwing the kitchen sink syndrome.
Wow - I am just so upset we chose somebody so knowledgeable about Manchester United and part of its most successful period in its history to be our manager when we could have chosen Pochettino. I mean, just look at his amazing performance as Spurs Manager in the Champions League Final!
What a great decision starting Harry Kane and relegating the proven hat trick hero of the semi-final to the bench - way to go! Gamble your chances away by deciding to start somebody who didn't get Spurs to the final and whose fitness was in doubt. To think we didn't employ Pochettino! Talk about handing the Champions League title on a silver platter to Liverpool.
What a great decision starting Harry Kane and relegating the proven hat trick hero of the semi-final to the bench - way to go! Gamble your chances away by deciding to start somebody who didn't get Spurs to the final and whose fitness was in doubt. To think we didn't employ Pochettino! Talk about handing the Champions League title on a silver platter to Liverpool.
And yet he made some very poor decisions that cost Spurs their best and most likely only chance ever of winning the Champions League Trophy. To think some people here have been calling for him to manage Manchester United. No thanks - the man's a proven duffer when the stakes are high. Give me Ole, LVG and Jose any day.
Well if you don't think that you apparently know nothing about football pal...
If the chance that fell to Alli had fallen to Kane, it would probably been in the back of the net. Overall, neither team played well. Maybe they both had too much time to prepare.
It's insane how low budget this Spurs team actually is. Really need to keep that in mind to put their league finishes and reaching the CL final in perspective.
Transfer expenditures since 2014/15 (you can play around with different timeframes on transfermarkt, the result is mostly the same - didn't want to post 5 pictures...)
They are 6th in wages, but a lot closer to Everton & West Ham than 5th place.
Pochettino should really leave Spurs. Either go to Juventus and have an experience of what it feels like to manage a top club or take a few months off before Ole get sacked and join United.
Levy should give Pochettino a £200m budget and increase in his salary if he was to stay. The likes of West Ham, Everton and Leceister should not be outspending Spurs. I feel like if he stays at Spurs any longer, he runs a risk of having his star faded by the lack of quality and resource at his disposal.
With the £200m budget, I would suggest Spurs fix the following areas in their team.
Cb: Harry Maguire
Rb: Hakimi
Ram: Ziyech
Cm: Lo Celso
St: Wilson or Fellaini
Cam: Dybala
Lloris
Hakimi/Aurier - Verthognen/Sanchez - Maguire/Alderweireld - Rose/Davis
Sissoko/Dier - Lo Celso/Winks
Ziyech/Moura - Dybala/Ali - Son/Lamala
Kane/Wilson
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He's done a good job overall but I don't like his style of football.
So he should stay or go, your post is quite contradictory. This whole star fading BS, he took us to the CL final literally a day ago.
If he doesn’t get a huge transfer kitty like the rest of his competitors in the top four, he should definitely go. There is only so much he can do when he is not giving the appropriate resource.
Should have done a whole lot better yesterday IMO.
fell into the Kane must play trap and no doubt pissed of Lucas at the same time
His game managment has always been questionable. I said well befre the final Kane should not start, leaving Lucas out after singlehandedly getting us there, taking Winks off instead of Dele and waiting too long to bring Lloriente on.
Its posts like this that really annoy me, you lay out a post full of simply your own opinion and state that you think Poch would manage Barca and expect it to be taken seriously?
His gameplan ensured Spurs dominated almost all statistic in the game while having no backing from the club and having a lot of key players not showing up for the biggest night of their life.
There is nothing significant he could have done better, but his players definitely have a lot to answer to, in particular the key players in Dele Ali, Eriksen and Sissoko. People say that Moura should have started and if you checked the match day thread with the first lineup I posted, I had him starting as well in place of Ali. That was definitely one aspect that Pochettino should have listened to me about because of how poor Ali has been. But, even I admit it would not have made much difference if other players did not show up. All top managers would have started Kane as well, so I don’t put much blame in that. If the results was the same, you would complain why Pochettino did not start Kane.
No because every time Kane has come back from injury he has been rusty, Poch has his favorites and he tends to stick with them.
I love the guy but I wont be shy in pointing out his flaws, his ingame management is VERY questionable on numerous occasions. You have to have a rational view poits and way things up, the sun doesnt shine out of his arse.
Where have you been mate? Haven't you heard that even Poch himself has been hedging over his own future? So it annoys you that I think that Poch may do the very thing that Poch has been suggesting that he might do ie: leave Spurs? So are you annoyed with Poch for suggesting it or annoyed with me for repeating it?
As for where he might end up after Spurs, Poch's connections with Espanyol I am well aware of, but I would not rule anything out in football. I have been around it far too long mate.
Kane didn’t receive any service in that game. Most of it went to Ali who was very wasteful. If Kane had just one of those chances, it is more likely he would have buried it and the narrative would be different. Also, Pochettino has one of the best in game management in football. That would be the last point of criticism of him
He really, really, really doesnt. You ask any Spurs fan and they will say the same.
Look at this guy telling Tottenham supporters what their manager is all about.
Im not annoyed at the suggestion he will move on, of course he will at some point, but if you know anything about him you would know him managing Barcalona, in his own words is "impossible".
“But I am an Espanyol supporter. I don’t think I need to speak too much. It’s like if one day [the Tottenham chairman] Daniel Levy sacked me – in a few years it would be impossible for me to manage Arsenal. In football I know it is so difficult to keep your values and to be loyal – with your heart and emotion. But for me before being a manager, before being a player, being loyal is more important. I am an Espanyol fan. I love Espanyol. It’s like Tottenham for me now. It will be impossible, one day, to move to Arsenal. It will be impossible.”
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It took him 4 years to get here, but 4 years in which he barely made any noticeable signing.
He reached the UCL final with a team built on low cash, full of players he improved.
He fecked the starting lineup last night, but he's still a very good manager.
Eh maybe, but I simply think the service in to Kane was woeful. VVD/Matip had the physical battle but we knew that would happen, they're both giants (vvd especially) and can do that to pretty much anybody, Kane needed balls in behind and chances to run at them which he simply didn't get. Both of our creative hubs were non-existent and an out and out striker will always struggle in those circumstances. When was a single clever ball played in to Kane which he could run on to, when was a single cross put in to Kane which was remotely dangerous?
He picked up the ball a handful of times in the game, won some free kicks, a couple of times played some classy balls .. but what can you do under those circumstances? Isolated strikers aren't going to grab the game by the scruff of the neck, yes his lack of fitness maybe played a part but even a fully fit Kane does little I think, the play in the final third broke down before it reached him far too often.
I really don't think starting Moura would have changed much, honestly. Liverpool defence would have adapted and dropped a little deeper maybe to the new threat but overall the shape of the game wouldn't have changed much, the last 15-20 were more to do with us needing a goal late on.
Alli/Eriksen were woeful, saw enough of the ball to do more than they did. At least Kane has the excuse that he was isolated, those two had opportunities they completely fecked up. Pochettino went with Kane because he knew that if he got a chance, he's the most likely on the pitch to put it away, our most clinical player by far .. and on the big occasions a player like that is priceless. Lucas is erratic at the best of times with his finishing, despite the hattrick vs Ajax.
The issue was that not a single chance fell for him.
Eh? They've been a quality team since his second season.
Never said he wasn't any of those things but we should be mindful of this next season when we go on a 10 game rough patch and people start calling for Ole to be fired.
Pochettino hasn't always had it plane sailing, people forget the team he inherited because it was a lifetime ago.
They were outplayed by literally every team they faced on the way to the final with the exception of Inter Milan.
Their form in the league since Christmas is about 9 points worse than even United's.
Their performances have for the most part been very poor.
Them getting to the final in the first place has masked over the fact that they have been a quite average side for most of the season.
The Pochettino love in will always baffle me as what he is doing and continues to do is a job that would get him sacked as manager of any big club. I know Spurs have spent very little but that doesn't make him successful any more than an F1 driver who doesn't win a race because the McLarens go faster. If they were good enough theyd be driving one of them.
someone said on a post match podcast that was the 20th game Spurs lost the season just finished in all comps, Spurs are obviously a very good size but they haven't actually achieved anything tangible during this run.
If Poch leaves this summer, in 10 years time what will he be remembered for by Spurs fans?
If Poch leaves this summer, in 10 years time what will he be remembered for by Spurs fans?