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I have been trying to work out why Gove would have admitted such a thing. Other MPs have admitted taking drugs in the past, never with a positive result. Although the general reaction has tended to be ambivalence.
Apparently, it happened whilst he was working as a journalist, so I guess he was trying to pre-empt it being splashed all over the front pages of the tabloids, but that's happening anyway.
This whole thing about the teachers is also irrelevant. Many ex-smokers are dead against smoking. It's annoying, but they aren't wrong, are they? Would you be happy about your kids being taught by a cocaine user?
It would only be hypocritical if he was a current cocaine user, not if he gave up many years ago.
Apparently, it happened whilst he was working as a journalist, so I guess he was trying to pre-empt it being splashed all over the front pages of the tabloids, but that's happening anyway.
This whole thing about the teachers is also irrelevant. Many ex-smokers are dead against smoking. It's annoying, but they aren't wrong, are they? Would you be happy about your kids being taught by a cocaine user?
It would only be hypocritical if he was a current cocaine user, not if he gave up many years ago.
why can't it be like the good old days when kids were thought by angry alcoholic nuns
we should bring in mandatory drug testing for teachers, the handful that are only boozers should do
Nothing you said contradicts my original post.
I’m failing to see what supposedly makes him better than any of the others? He fecked over the NHS while health secretary. He has blood on his hands.
the only reason drugs are still illegal is because coked up thundercnut journalists who shit out puritanical articles designed to appeal to sundowning tories end up becoming conservative MPs
It absolutely isn't though - Gove has admitted to usage of a class A substance. If caught with said substance he could've faced significant time in jail. It shouldn't be underestimated how fecking stupid this is - imagine a senior UK politician admitting they'd spent years embezzling or committing fraud or doing something else that's very serious legally but not necessarily harmful to others physically, and people saying it's not hypocritical because they don't do it anymore?
Obviously if a teacher's a cokehead then that's a problem but I suspect there a ton of teachers who have either taken it at some point, or who occasionally do at the weekends like a lot of people out there. If it impacts their performance then they should be reprimanded but their career shouldn't be destroyed by the mere act of taking it alone when the country will almost be invariably lead by people who did it when they were much younger.
It's genuinely abhorrent that rich Etonian cnuts like Boris and Gove can do this and laugh back on it years later as a simple daft error or joke, but poor people who get caught doing it end up with jail sentences and see their lives ruined as a result.
Gove is right when he says that the lower classes face worse consequences for drug use. What he'll never acknowledge is that he is to blame for that. He's the fecker who is making life harder for people who use the drugs as he did, and he does it for no reason other than to appeal to assholes with think of the children placards.
Getting caught being the operative word. The consequences for being caught are the same, the only difference is that one group is perhaps better at not getting caught.
Plenty of working class people who will have worked their way up the ladder to prominent positions will have histories of recreational drug use that they can now laugh about.
no even when they get caught the consequences are lessened, an oxford student fecking stabbed her boyfriend and walked because she had potential, an ivy league kid in america was convicted for rape and got a slap on the wrist because he had potential, posh cnuts in the country paralyse hunt saboteurs and get shit all because the royals vouch for them
the justice system treats the lower classes as lesser humans than the upper classes, because it's not designed for justice, it's designed to keep us down while the rich plunder
If Gove had been caught he'd have had all sorts of connections to get him off with a lesser sentence and would've had access to far better legal recourse than those below him. That's the case for all crimes, of course - the difference here is that occasional drug usage really isn't all that dangerous at all and so it's a farce that anyone is being punished for it at all. The problem is that people are only actually punished in the first place because of the politicians who make the laws, and the current government is clearly filled with a lot of people who've actively taken those drugs in the past and still see fit to punish others for doing so.
This has often been the case - weed was used as a convenient way to demonise poor black people for years but became cool when middle-class college kids started taking it. And I'd say a similar attitude probably prevails now: police officers are probably a lot more likely to reprimand people from certain backgrounds for drug use than others.
There's a Gove biography coming out soon & the drug-use is detailed within it. Possibly an offshoot of this kind of tactic by his main rival:
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Definitely not. I knew personally a nurse and a doctor that were prosecuted for cannabis possession at the same time, the nurse was sacked as a result and blacklisted, the doctor was interviewed but no further action taken.
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Gove literally made the consequences harder for people who did the same offence as himself but are less wealthy.
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Gove and Boris are cnuts. Tories are thundercunts. It's despicable that these pricks use their discretions as a way to attract sympathy votes. Theresa May got panned for saying she used to run through a farmers wheat field ffs!
Just look at Gove, look at his interviews and look at the back catalogue of clips taken of him and you will see the man has been coked off his nut for years. The man single handedly dismantled the education system and set it back years yet now he's PM material? Fml!
Just look at Gove, look at his interviews and look at the back catalogue of clips taken of him and you will see the man has been coked off his nut for years. The man single handedly dismantled the education system and set it back years yet now he's PM material? Fml!
at least legalizing (and taxing) drugs should be on the agenda now... afterall there will be lots of money sloshing round for coke parties if Boris gets his proposed tax cut!
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Never thought I say this, but I was impressed with Ester McVeigh on Marr yesterday. Obviously not a front runner and that may have influenced what she said, but Marr couldn't rattle her even on the universal credit fiasco. McVeigh made all the right noises on what she would actually do, on a range of issues although it looks like she's washed her hands of the EU now, so its a 'rock hard' Brexit for Ester. It will be interesting to see, how she fares, as everyone else in the race tries to swing back (a bit) from the right, she's ploughing on with her meritocracy (as she says) approach. Also, she has no public school background or silver spoon advantage, very interesting.
I think she is hoping to get 16 votes and get to the TV debate becaluse given her media background she knows she will come over better than quite a few others - personally I dont think shes got the backing of enough MP's to get past the first round though
Also I didnt see her on Marr but did listen to her on Choppers Brexit podcast and yeah she went full on prorogue parliament and force brexit through - which for me is a total non starter
Also i think her fiance will be a hindrance not a help to her ambitions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Davies
I disagree with most of her views but I agree she made a strong showing on Marr. A bit Thatcheresque at times, alarmingly.
I find this whole debate bizarre. Everyone knows these circles at Oxford, Cambridge and St Andrews binge hardcore drugs every weekend so why is it even a story now?
You'd struggle to find many considered to be in the upper classes who haven't done it, bet ol lizzy and philip have. It's fine to do drugs if you're loaded as you can afford it tends to be the rule.
You'd struggle to find many considered to be in the upper classes who haven't done it, bet ol lizzy and philip have. It's fine to do drugs if you're loaded as you can afford it tends to be the rule.
You can't help it . You imagine that smug smile on his face and the word comes out.
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I was reading recently about Hunt being the biggest liar of the lot and how he'd spin the outcome of every meeting to be whatever he wanted.
His recent interviews especially today make me worry as he's not just making hypotheticals but I'd wager making up what the EU have told him.
His recent interviews especially today make me worry as he's not just making hypotheticals but I'd wager making up what the EU have told him.
Also his quote that he won't call a general election because the Tories would lose power is incredible. It's a blatant admission that they have no support or mandate but they'll cling on anyway.
Raise the tax threshold to 80k.
MP salary £79,468.
How does anyone support this shit.
MP salary £79,468.
How does anyone support this shit.
650 of them will...he knows what he's doing this Boris, and so does everyone else, he has to ensure that he's one of the final two to go to the membership so go after the MP's first! What's more he's not hiding it is he??
Yes I think you are right, she becomes something of a stalking horse for other so called 'true Brexiteers'. Ester wont get through to the final round, but she may have a say in who does, keeping the alleged Brexiteers left in the fight with their feet to the grindstone. McVeigh's appearance on Marr's programme was a noteworthy performance and will rattle the cages of other contenders if she does get through to the TV debates.
Dear God it really is gonna be Hunt v Johnson.
The Tories really putting to the test their old voter base
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Nah. They've already managed to spin this as a BBC decision. The Beeb will take the blame for this one, don't you worry.
Yeah I image your right. Although the tories are really running out of people to squeeze.
Her intention will be to put her hat in the ring for the next time the leadership is vacant, and of course to help negotiate for a top 3/4 position in the new cabinet.
There Is going to have to be some slimey backstabbing and giving up any semblance of credibility just to secure votes... In short don't count gove out just yet
Sam Gyimah announces he is quitting Tory leadership race
He said he had entered the contest to ‘broaden the debate’ and make sure that a wide variety of views on Brexit were represented. ‘
He's no corbyn!
This is true.
Noteworthy for her inability to give a straight answer to a question.