Is it? Ideological opposition to the welfare state (including, increasingly, the NHS and education) is ideological opposition to support for the most vulnerable in society.What an absolute load of rubbish.
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I am not against a 2nd vote or referendum at all. If you want one have one would be my take on it. I just can't see the point of one. I think the country would be split pretty much the same as last time.
I really do not think that this thing is going to be overturned.
At least the WA is a mechanism to move forward in some fashion.
It would shut a lot of people up.
Outside of the brexit element, how does him winning effects the dynamics in Scotland and northern Ireland?
Had the feeling those parts view him as the worst representative of English exceptionalism that doesn't give a shit about the rest. Is my perception accurate or do most not differ between him and the English Tories in general? How does he get along with the DUP? @Cheesy @Ian Reus
Had the feeling those parts view him as the worst representative of English exceptionalism that doesn't give a shit about the rest. Is my perception accurate or do most not differ between him and the English Tories in general? How does he get along with the DUP? @Cheesy @Ian Reus
I might be wrong, but wasn't it a bunch of Remainers ( I'm looking at you Ms Balls and you Benn minor ) who organised and won a vote to prevent the UK leaving without an Agreement ??
HoC refuses to pass May's Agreement ; EU say there is no other Agreement ; and Hoc says UK can't leave without an Agreement.
Perhaps there's the answer - passing the agreement is the only way out of the deadlock.
Perhaps another and related question....We all know Tory Brexiteers' objections to May's Agreement, but what are Labour's objections to it ?
Well.....Today's objections, that is....
What, passing the WA or a 2nd ref?
Bloody mindedness. No better than the Tory headbangers
yeah, I'm sure the Queen would love a Corbyn and McDonnell government!
They don't oppose the Welfare state. Conservatives certainly view welfare as a last resort - and that is how it should be! Sitting on welfare should never be a lifestyle choice, and it certainly was a viable option in the past.
48% of Scots want to stay in the UK? Can't for life of me see why.
I've always thought that the best way for the Scots to win their Independence Referendum is to let the English vote on Scottish Independence as well.
Yes. I fully agree with you on that. It really is the best option.
Having racist idiots running our countries is the new special relationship.
They really, really do.
Even if, at best and implausible case scenario, it is an opposition to perceived indolence, the impact on the vulnerable in society of the ideologically driven attack on the support structures is not an acceptable cost.
It's a brave new world.
No dole scum on your watch.
BoJo kind of looks like a Trump clone as made by Stewie.
It's as dumb as feck but what can you do?
A 2nd referendum since nobody could claim that they didn't know what they are voting for. My view is that Britain needs to leave and that it needs to hurt massively so that when Britain returns, there is no argument from Brexit supporters. It's the only way to reunite everybody.
The Tories have always been racist idiots. At least Boris doesn't hide it. Malcolm X once said something about having more respect for a man who lets him know where he stands rather than one who pretends to be his friend.
Well....That's the first time I've heard that as a solution.
Problem with it is probably if the UK ever did want to rejoin, then the UK would just be the EU's bitch forever and a day and for € gazillions.
Not sure an ex journalist who once wrote a “why we should leave” and a “why we should remain” column on the same day for a Brexit opinion piece would strike you as a bloke who is open and honest about where he stands on anything.
He said "Good Morning" when he started his speech and it was 12:05. He is one big mistake! Stanley should have just pulled out...
Quoting from an era nearly 80 years ago and drawing conclusions about the current state of the Conservative part is borderline insane.
They really, really don't. Their shrinking of the welfare state however does impact on some of the most vulnerable.
No, and why should there be any dole scum on any sensible persons watch?
Whitehall keeps warning the Tories about civil unrest in case of a no deal...
Wouldn't it be smarter to start the civil unrest before the no deal? It might avert the worst.
Wouldn't it be smarter to start the civil unrest before the no deal? It might avert the worst.
I see the UK didn't want to be left behind in the let's-get-a-moron-to-lead-our-country-too contest.
It's nice to see the UK has their own version of the welfare queen myth. "dole scum"
I left liars out of my comparisons between the two leaders. Just because he's a racist idiot doesn't mean you can believe what he tells you.
Paul was saying that about may since the beginning of her stint. Boris the savior is here to stay.
Boris fecking Johnson...really?
Orgy porgy.
It's like 'Yes, Minister' came to life, isn't it?
Meh... Wait till he picks his cabinet... I'm sure things will get worse
Yes Minister had intellectual insight within it's humor. This is more Beavis and Butt-Head than Yes Minister.
Tories now saying the only way to avoid a "socialist prime minister" is to support the new leader and prime minister. I'm pretty sure they aren't even noticing the irony
.Whatever happened to that recording of Johnson's argument with his lover of the week?
Don't think that was me.
She was the worst PM, now about to be surpassed in that role.
Predict Boris will last until about 12 months after the UK have left the EU.
Good luck to his successor.
Quick question.
Corbyn had more votes for him to become leader of the labour parties than BoJo got to become leader of the Tory party(about 5 times as many). Does this mean that if we go with democracy Corbyn should lead the country?
Corbyn had more votes for him to become leader of the labour parties than BoJo got to become leader of the Tory party(about 5 times as many). Does this mean that if we go with democracy Corbyn should lead the country?