Westminster Politics

anybody watching the commons now... Boris is going to slaugher corbyn for half an our every week at PMQ's if this is anything to go by

Well he might actually have to answer a question at some point
 
Is Dominic Raab on coke? Has the stare of a coke head sitting behind Boris there.
 
He's pretty much adopting Trumps tactics of declaring any question that isn't of a positive nature or praising him is classed as a slight on the country or unpatriotic
 
He's pretty much adopting Trumps tactics of declaring any question that isn't of a positive nature or praising him is classed as a slight on the country or unpatriotic
He is.

Policies aside I'm afraid that today at least Johnson made Corbyn look old and grey in comparison, it didn't bode well if there is an early election. Mannerisms and appearance shouldn't come in to it of course, but unfortunately they do.
 
He is.

Policies aside I'm afraid that today at least Johnson made Corbyn look old and grey in comparison, it didn't bode well if there is an early election. Mannerisms and appearance shouldn't come in to it of course, but unfortunately they do.
its going to be a landslide if he goes no deal and has a pact with brexit - there have been a couple of questions about elections and hes talked about winning elections not saying they have no intention of an election... as i say i think he will call one in september before conference season
 
I get the impression that Boris will be given an extraordinarily small amount of leeway before he gets knifed by centrist Tories.
 
I suspect he is going to knife the tory centrists during that small period of leeway (call a snap election and have the local party deselect anybody who wont campaign for no deal)

I’m not sure he wants to be opposition leader that badly.
 
Is this a real possibility?



A man who has tried multiple times to win a single parliamentary seat and failed repeatedly is going to lead a party to win over 300 seats in the next two years. Yeah sounds pretty likely.
 
Can see why Boris won by such a big margin with tory members. His time as tory leader and prime minster will be pure performative and open tory class interest. Similar to Trump it's beyond a parody.
 
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its going to be a landslide if he goes no deal and has a pact with brexit - there have been a couple of questions about elections and hes talked about winning elections not saying they have no intention of an election... as i say i think he will call one in september before conference season
I think you are right. We will get a month or two of posturing over Brexit, then a GE when the unicorns inevitably fail to appear.
 
I suspect he is going to knife the tory centrists during that small period of leeway (call a snap election and have the local party deselect anybody who wont campaign for no deal)
Maybe he will, but i cant see that working well as a strategy.
 
hes going to get a huge majority unless labour flush their turd of a leader

No he won’t. It’ll be the most ridiculous spread ever seen in a general election.

Tories 35%
Lib Dems 30%
Labour 25%
Rest: 10%

Presuming Brexit party don’t run against this hard leave government. Zero hope of a coalition.
 
No he won’t. It’ll be the most ridiculous spread ever seen in a general election.

Tories 35%
Lib Dems 30%
Labour 25%
Rest: 10%

Presuming Brexit party don’t run against this hard leave government. Zero hope of a coalition.

What you call ridiculous other countries call normal. I wouldn't be surprised if something like Brexit brakes up the two party system/dominance permanently (e.g. people turning their back on a party because they feel betrayed by it for allowing outcome x).
 
No he won’t. It’ll be the most ridiculous spread ever seen in a general election.

Tories 35%
Lib Dems 30%
Labour 25%
Rest: 10%

Presuming Brexit party don’t run against this hard leave government. Zero hope of a coalition.

I struggle to see Labour/Lib Dems getting that much combined. Most recent YG poll had Labour on 19% and Lib Dems on 23%.

But even on the figures above I imagine the Tories would come close to a majority. The Lib Dems will, as always, struggle to convert their votes to seats en masse, while the split between Labour/Lib Dems will benefit the Tories in a lot of swing constituencies while they win in their own stomping grounds.
 
Another era of Thatcherism could be looming.

Johnson/Farage = Thatcher

Corbyn = Foot

You’ll also be hoping if you are of a leftist persuasion that Blair mk II (yes, I understand the irony) comes along more quickly than the 18 years he took last time.

Labour need to ditch Corbyn. NOW.

What you call ridiculous other countries call normal. I wouldn't be surprised if something like Brexit brakes up the two party system/dominance permanently (e.g. people turning their back on a party because they feel betrayed by it for allowing outcome x).

Let’s hope so, PR please
 
Another era of Thatcherism could be looming.

Johnson/Farage = Thatcher

Corbyn = Foot

You’ll also be hoping if you are of a leftist persuasion that Blair mk II (yes, I understand the irony) comes along more quickly than the 18 years he took last time.

Labour need to ditch Corbyn. NOW.
You can't do another era of Thatcherism for a various reasons. To name a few

.The tory voting base is dying off and isn't being replace with younger tories.

.There's isn't much left to privatise.

.There's isn't the union boogie man anymore.

.The results of Thatcherism has destroyed any future for people under 45.


In the long term the tories have serious deep rooted problems.
 
You can't do another era of Thatcherism for a various reasons. To name a few

.The tory voting base is dying off and isn't being replace with younger tories.

.There's isn't much left to privatise.

.There's isn't the union boogie man anymore.

.The results of Thatcherism has destroyed any future for people under 45.


In the long term the tories have serious deep rooted problems.
What we need is an ultra modern party for the 21st century with a broad socialist agenda. Where the state takes back control of the main industries, workers own the means of production and there is a major program of wealth distribution (controlled by the government obviously).
 
What we need is an ultra modern party for the 21st century with a broad socialist agenda. Where the state takes back control of the main industries, workers own the means of production and there is a major program of wealth distribution (controlled by the government obviously).
Your point is ?
 
Both Daily Mail / Express and Guardian / Mirror readers. Left and right hoover up and believe whatever they want to.



None of us really know any of that ... idiotic? Probably, but racist? Xenophobic? We don't know that for sure but hearing his Dad and Sister talk they don't appear to have been a family brought up that way. I don't know any better than you. Middle class twat though? Definitely :lol:
But centrists (whatever that means) are critical thinkers able to divine the true meaning of course? This smacks of arrogance and condescension.

Also, do you really equate the Guardian with the Daily Mail? One is internationally highly respected for the standards of its investigative journalism. The other is the Daily Mail.

The reason he calls Boris racists may be somewhat supported by his many racist comments (watermelon smiles, picaninnies and letterboxes may jog your memory).
 
A cunning plan, no doubt.
 
Could just as easily insert left wingers into that statement, except they are even worse.
Except they're not. Who exactly are left wingers benefitting when they want people to be able to live until they're old, have social care that doesn't put them into serious debt, responsibility being something that all people are expected to take for their actions and not just those who can't afford to pay their way out of situations, the environment not being ruined for future generations in exchange for short term gains that only benefits a select few, and putting people ahead of business interests that already make obscene profits? Because it sure as feck isn't just about lining their own pockets.

The left are just as bad as the right when it comes to pushing their agenda, but don't for one second think that people who want to put society first are somehow worse than those who only want to put elites first - and, if they're fortunate, might be allowed to lap up any of the drops of wine that fall onto the floor.
 
We live in the age where populism is King, but ironically it's coming from wealthy elite types that are just slowly pushing more and more to see what bullshit they can get away with. The first example in recent times was when the financial crisis, caused by a handful of bankers, resulted in catastrophic results as people - poor and rich alike - lots their jobs and found their public and private services diminished. These same people were told "no, the bankers who caused the crisis aren't to blame it's benefit scum and illegal immigrants" and once it became clear that people were lapping it up they must have rubbed their hands together and thought "feck me, what else can we get away with?"

What was once scandalous has slowly become normal, and the default response to anything that could kill a political career is to lie. And if you somehow manage to get caught and your management of media and public opinion isn't strong enough to stop a mountain of allegations to come your way, you simply just ignore it until it goes away.

Let's face it; Boris will win any election that comes up, the UK will be slowly sold off and fecked even more but nothing will change for the better in our lifetimes because they've already fecking won.
 
We live in the age where populism is King, but ironically it's coming from wealthy elite types that are just slowly pushing more and more to see what bullshit they can get away with. The first example in recent times was when the financial crisis, caused by a handful of bankers, resulted in catastrophic results as people - poor and rich alike - lots their jobs and found their public and private services diminished. These same people were told "no, the bankers who caused the crisis aren't to blame it's benefit scum and illegal immigrants" and once it became clear that people were lapping it up they must have rubbed their hands together and thought "feck me, what else can we get away with?"

What was once scandalous has slowly become normal, and the default response to anything that could kill a political career is to lie. And if you somehow manage to get caught and your management of media and public opinion isn't strong enough to stop a mountain of allegations to come your way, you simply just ignore it until it goes away.

Let's face it; Boris will win any election that comes up, the UK will be slowly sold off and fecked even more but nothing will change for the better in our lifetimes because they've already fecking won.


‘Populism’ is the current media buzzword but it’s nothing new in politics really. Hitler was at it big stylee 80 years ago. He also blamed ‘the elites’ like you are doing btw. The elites are still here thank you very much after being assaulted from both sides.

Thing with the left is, yes, they want ‘Social Justice’ with altruistic policies - and indeed what person with even a modicum of human compassion could possibly criticise a lot of those leftist aims?

The problem however lies in paying for it all & the oft chanted & tried ‘tax the rich’ mantra.

It’ll never work, unless all nations on earth have uniform tax rates/same strategy. One nation -or merely some nations- doing it ain’t enough. Because those rich elites simply upsticks to where the fiscal sun shines. Indeed that’s where the typical right winger argument comes in: reduce tax so you encourage those elites to stay on your patch and pay *something* - as a little of a lot is better than a lot of nothing.