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As I see it, they have a couple of options.
They can try to force a further extension to the leave date beyond end October.
Or they could try to force a second referendum as a counter to no deal.
Neither would be popular or even certain of success.
At the moment, all we are seeking is posturing. Or more correctly time wasting; just more running down the clock with almost zero chance of a meaningful outcome.
Got to give them credit for seamlessly putting Boris in as Thanos, that was quite uncanny!
I like it that they've put Larry in there.
Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632
Johnson to ask Queen to prorogue
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49493632
Johnson to ask Queen to prorogue
That's hilariousDoes not surprise me that Boris is seeking to prorogue parliament and at a personal level I am glad events seem to be coming to a head. This daft idea of seeking another extension to A50 is ridiculous. It is about time our politicians decided in or out and stopped playing politics. 3 years plus in messing about and paralysing government has itself been extremely detrimental to the country.
I think you are right, our politicians as a group have proved themselves stunningly incapable. First passing motions to approve Brexit (including A50) by massive majorities claiming they were doing the will of the people, then spending three and half year contradicting and counteracting these approvals, claiming it wasn't the will of the people after all and in the process holding the mother of parliaments up to ridicule. Once article 50 was enacted they handed the initiative to the EU and the country, both remain and leave voters alike have suffered. One thing the long suffering public may get out of all this is that finally we may get a written Constitution … problem is, who will write it?
You should blame May for not negotiating a deal that could not get parliamentary support. This idea the WA + backstop was the only possible solution was her judgement, not everyone's.
Great to see the Liberal Democrats propping up the Conservatives once again!
Reminder that ERG Brexiteers blocked (via their votes) Brexit as much as Remainers, because it wasn't hard Brexit enough for them. Without any more of a moral standing on this, since all along they were claiming a deal would get done and would be on favourable terms to the UK. Which obviously proved to be fantasy.
So basically a no deal Brexit is inevitable at this point
Tory Lite
I don't mean to get apocalyptic, but genuinely think we are watching the end times of the post WWII world order. The fuxkwittery, egotism and corruption being displayed by world leaders is unprecedented in the past 75 years
Departed from reality, I see?
Hasn't it been inevitable since the beginning of this farce?
Yes.
Not at all, you? The LD's should have worked with Labour as requested.
How low do we reckon the £ will sink?
The Scots, when they leave the UK. They'll get one. Possibly Northern Ireland, when it joins Eire. That's a few million people who'll get a sense of the rules. Can't see how rumpEngland won't need some kind of constitutional reform once all this is over. It's shown up how flimsy our sense of our democracy is.
Rees-Mogg hopes it will go below parity.
I hope the British won't take it at heart when they blame it on the EU only for it to shrug it off. I mean no gives a feck of what non members think. The best option at this point would be for the EU to push for the meanest and harshest of all no deal Brexits. If the British economy goes tits up then the weak Tory government will topple and the moderates would take over.
I didn't realise not supporting a Labour scheme that was anyway doomed to fail (since it requires Tory MPs, who wouldn't sign up to it) is "propping up the Conservatives". Good one.
Here's another one: Corbyn incapability is propping up the Tories. Ergo, Labour are propping up Tories. Actually more realistic than your statement.
The Johnson government are already pushing for that themselves.
It always was, once A50 was extended and not revoked!
Our opposition politicians are still talking about 'mischief' in the House with the order papers to try to get; maybe a revocation of A50? Force a vote of confidence in the Government? Plead for a second referendum? No... its to force yet another extension, it beggars belief!
President Macron must be thinking he can't get rid of the mad English soon enough!
I hate this country.
You really think so? Personally I reckon in the end we will remain in the EU. I know folks talk about the Brexiteer elite but they do not hold a candle to the Remainer elite who of course (tongue in cheek) only have altruistic motives. No matter who is right between us what we perhaps can both probably agree on is that the concept of democracy in the UK will be well and truly dead in the foreseeable future. Politicians got away with the expenses scandal but this one will catch out the whole den of thieves whoever comes out on top. And stay or go our relationship with the rest of Europe will take more than a generation to repair.
Nah they are hoping that once the UK is out then the EU will co-operate by fast tracking goods in/out of the UK etc. I am referring to a complete dragging off the feet sort of thing. The EU should use every trick at its disposal to bring the UK's economy to crash and for its people to turn against the government.
Again, Boris is already pushing for that by wanting to retain the 33b owed.
Those 33b were never going to be given in cash. It would have been given in settlements from now till kingdom come. If the EU decide to frustrate the UK in every way (ie changing rules making it difficult for companies to adapt, tough hard borders which will increase shortages of medicine, food etc, not allowing UK planes to fly over europe etc) then the economy will go in tilt. Soon enough the weak Tory government will have no choice but to call a GE which it will lose. Then more moderate people will have no choice but to beg the EU for a deal
That is what the EU have already said that they will do if the UK withhold the debt
According to Boris that's what they are doing now!
I wonder if the 'Booze Cruise' syndrome will apply in reverse after Brexit, will lots of EU citizens come over to the UK to gorge themselves on all the cheap imports that zero tariffs will bring...all for personal use of course!
I don’t think an horrendous brexit is on the EU’s mind at all. You can’t have a massive economic crash in the UK without hefty reverberations in Europe. Given that the global economy is slowing down as it is, I’m sure the EU would much prefer an orderly brexit. If only we could get our shit together and give them one
Funny how the Liberals decided that taking on the Tory government was "doomed to fail". But propping up the Tory government was fine from 2010. Classic Liberal Democrats.
Jesus lads, season 4 of Brexit has properly jumped the shark!
Even House of Cards had a more credible lead.
Theres only one “no deal” and thats “no deal”.
One of the best things about being a country that buys things is you set the tariffs, not the selling country.
So you think BMW, Audi, VW, Mercedes (car and truck division) are going to sit quietly while they get hit with 30% import tariffs on their vehicles?
The UK buys 10% of all BMWs sold on the planet, its only 2% ish less than they sell in their own country.
Taxing them off the road would be a complete disaster for BMW.
We are already pretty much going to destroy the EU fishing industry just by leaving, as they will all be fighting for a much smaller area of fishable water.
Certainly the EU can hurt the UK in some way, and we can hurt it right back, and what you have to remember is, the noise out of Brussels isnt the voice of the public they wont stand losing their jobs because some burt hurt pricks wont get round a table and act like adults.
How kind of you to wish hardship and suffering on tens of millions of people who dont want and didn't vote for this shitshow to get rid of the rich cnuts who caused it and won't suffer at all whatever outcome prevails.
Impossible not to agree.