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Its a awful thing to say but honestly if the government made next Monday a bank holiday and called it 'Independence Day'. I'm confident that mostly hardened Brexit people would believe it.
Better version here.
hadn't seen this version
Do you remember those charming "football fans" (democratic football lads alliance? I think) attacking the police and trying to attack remain marches a few weeks ago...
Riots .... Emergency measures.... Shut down parliament and ignore the Benn act... Genuinely wouldn't put it past him
I wouldn't put it past Dom to have been leaking those theories to encourage a loony brexiteer to do it to be honest.
We might have a single riot if there's a march because any response from the right will be met with a resounding response from the left that's for sure.
It's all over blown though we've seen how pathetic the rights protest marches really are. Only the FLA get any numbers and even then nothing that will cause the police much trouble.
Rory Stewart resigns: Former Tory leadership contender announces he will stand down at next election
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...vative-mp-penrith-border-latest-a9142631.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...vative-mp-penrith-border-latest-a9142631.html
He is going to run for Mayor of London
He is going to run for Mayor of London
Strikes me as a good candidate for Tory Londoners, strong on Remain and relatively centrist. Not sure he's very likely to win outright though.
Perhaps - but as an independent i think he will (probably) just split the centre right vote and should make sadiq kahn even more likely to win a second term
The bloke who wanted to bring back May's deal to vote for it (again) and doesn't want a second referendum?
Its amazing people think Stewart is a Remain person and really proves that Remain is nothing more than some cultural signifiers.
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Its amazing people think Stewart is a Remain person and really proves that Remain is nothing more than some cultural signifiers.
I'm not sure why Khan wouldn't get in again? He's pretty popular and has done little wrong. A marvelous Mayor for a modern multicultural metropolis. Can't see why Stewart would succeed here although I'm sure he'll have some heavy financial backing.
For once we agree
As someone born, lived a lot of my life and knows loads of people from London, most are very proud of Khan’s position on BrExit, Trump, status of London, and many other things. He represents us far more than Cameron, May or BJ could ever came close to.
We also recognise that the scourge of knife crime has very little to do with him: that’s due to ever increasing drugs consumption and gang related violence, austerity impact on police numbers and resourcing. Would be interested on your view on that given your superior knowledge.
Lastly, as you say Londoners are very happy and proud of our genuine multicultural lifestyle: makes this city so brilliant to live in. Last thing we’d want is a traditional Tory espousing rule Brittainia. Any ‘Khan-istan’ noise only comes from non London racist trolls like Hopkins and Yaxley-Lennon.
I think Khan himself is waiting for Corbyn to go, at which point he’ll make a leadership bid for Labour Party.
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I might be wrong but thats not possible is it?
I thought the leader had to be a member of the plp (I.e. a current MP)
So unless Kahn is going to stand down as mayor and stand in the coming election the best he could do is consider a run at the leadership to replace whoever follows corbyn
Maybe. Is that how BJ did it? Can’t remember.
If Labour lose upcoming election, surely Corbyn will retire or be forced out.
Party desperately needs someone more centrist but not smarmy like bLiar.
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As someone born, lived a lot of my life and knows loads of people from London, most are very proud of Khan’s position on BrExit, Trump, status of London, and many other things. He represents us far more than Cameron, May or BJ could ever came close to.
We also recognise that the scourge of knife crime has very little to do with him: that’s due to ever increasing drugs consumption and gang related violence, austerity impact on police numbers and resourcing. Would be interested on your view on that given your superior knowledge.
Lastly, as you say Londoners are very happy and proud of our genuine multicultural lifestyle: makes this city so brilliant to live in. Last thing we’d want is a traditional Tory espousing rule Brittainia. Any ‘Khan-istan’ noise only comes from non London racist trolls like Hopkins and Yaxley-Lennon.
I think Khan himself is waiting for Corbyn to go, at which point he’ll make a leadership bid for Labour Party.
I like Khan and think he's well suited to the capital. Interesting suggestion about him being a future Labour leader. Again, I think he'd be very good.
With regards to the police service, austerity and government funding I could talk all night about it from my perspective. You're right; it's nothing to do with Khan himself and from what I can gather he's been very supportive of the Met which is positive.
Essentially the service is struggling due to decisions made when May was the home secretary. Freezing recruitment and allowing police numbers to dwindle through natural wastage was a very short sighted and costly decision. Now the Tory's want to increase police numbers yet the infrastructure and experience is no longer in place within the service, simply saying you'll increase numbers is great but you have to have the means to make it happen. It takes two years for an officer to pass their probationary period and be no longer deemed a student officer. You can't just create experience, hence why you always need a steady supply of recruits to continually allow the service to develop in the long run. In addition cuts on the front line have impacted throughout. Lower numbers of specialist resources and a national shortage of detectives severely impact on detection rates of violent and serious crime. The government response? Fast track. Fast track detectives, fast track Superintendents.. people with zero policing experience taking roles within the service others have worked towards for years. Further damaging morale in attempts to make up for the massive neglect of the service and the realisation we are literally at crisis point.
When I first saw it I thought what the feck are Islamic Ray Cams?
Yes... He became an MP again first
Think Kahn would have to do same
This sounds very similar to what the tories have done to schools. It's shocking how many lessons are being taught by teacher assistants. Experienced teachers are being bullied out of their roles because schools simply can't afford to pay them, having instead to hire cheaper newly qualified teachers. Many of whom have very little classroom experience.
All while schools are having to employ expensive business managers and source materials from hugely overpriced approved vendors.
From the article it's self... So pretty standard stuff but new data laws mean people can request the data
Ellman and Hodge?
2 jewis MP's both facing motions from their local party on the eve of Yom Kippur
Depending how that plays out I can see both of those abstaining or even crossing over to a non antisemitic party
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10055823/dame-louise-ellman-vote-of-no-confidence/
Possibly, I can't imagine remain MPs risking a no deal exit though, it's electoral suicide no matter what else happens regarding deselect ion.
Are local parties only allowed to get rid of non-jewish candidates now?
I've already given you the numbers of actual anti-semtisim in the party and yet you insist on throwing around anti-semtism like some childish insult because you don't like Corbyn. Its pathetic stuff.
so coincidentally they scheduled 2 actions against jewish MP's on the Eve of Yom Kipur so that the Mp's cant go to defend themselves... yeah that sounds totally normal right
I mean what are the odds ?
picking 2 jewish MP's out of 244 Mps
then picking the eve of yom kipur... twice
probably something like
(1/244)*(1/243)*(1/365)*(1/365)
or one in 7 billion 8 hundred and nintey nine million one hundred and seventy six thousand seven hundred
I mean 100% the sort of thing that the EHRC are giing to look at and think yeah this is a perty totally welcoming to jews
Yeah arranging it for that date was totally ridiculous. Even if they hadn't realized the significance the moment they found out it should have been immediately changed with fulsome apologies.
either that or it wasnt a coincidence at all and infact it was something much more deep routed and deliberate - and the fact that both are arranged for that date - and no rescheduling / apologies have taken place does seem to suggest that it wasn't a coincidence
If it wasn't a coincidence the feckers need to be burned to the ground for it.
Extinction Rebellion Westminster protests
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ebellion-fresh-protests-shut-down-westminster
The timing of this just seems a bit off to me
I can get the idea that shutting down Westminister is to make a point
But there is also a whacking great hospital there and for the next week of so Parliament is shut anyway
seems strange they didn't put the protest back a week?
Suspect the Met will be very robust in clearing the protest route for the queens speech (scheduled for 14th)... would just seem to have made a lot more logistical sense to start the protest a week tomorrow?
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ebellion-fresh-protests-shut-down-westminster
The timing of this just seems a bit off to me
I can get the idea that shutting down Westminister is to make a point
But there is also a whacking great hospital there and for the next week of so Parliament is shut anyway
seems strange they didn't put the protest back a week?
Suspect the Met will be very robust in clearing the protest route for the queens speech (scheduled for 14th)... would just seem to have made a lot more logistical sense to start the protest a week tomorrow?
Do the EHRC not like Corbyn? They saw enough to warrant a formal investigation into the party. You and other disciples of Corbyn continuing to dismiss the issue of antisemitism within the party is what is pathetic. What does the man have to do for some people to realise he is a cancer to the Labour Party?
I don't think it's normal for MPs to actually turn up to these to be fair. They're also not the only ones who are being challenged given it's GE time.
I've no idea about Ellman i can't place the name but Hodge is a secular jew so why this prohibits her from attending I've no idea.
Oh put your panties back in place.
A reasoned discussion of the issues at hand within the party is fine but you and less so Sun Tzu are far less interested in that than just throwing insults around.
The disciplinary process was inadequate prior to Corbyn and this was heightened with the influx of hard left into momentum. Yet it's still 0.1% so you can stick claims of institutionalised anti-semtisim where the sun don't shine.
Based on no evidence whatsoever @esmufc07 thought(And still goes I guess ?)that members wanted to get rid of Hodge because she is jewish. It turns they just wanted a local candidate instead(Pretty sure Hodge will win re selection).
Its a pointless discussion with certain people at this stage as the labour party is whatever they want it to be. Also have to love the - I can't vote Labour now because of my 'anti racists' politics. The credit they give to themselves is something else.
I image it doesn't all. Also
But something something - insert ironic anti Semitic joke - because lolz.....
It isn't throwing insults, it is stating fact. I get angry because at my heart I'm a Labour supporter and I believe in the policies that Labour Government's generally promote, and I identify with Labour far more than any other political party. But I feel lost at the moment and unable to vote for the Party because of what it has become under Corbyn. It is no longer a credible political party, never mind a credible opposition. We have had 2 of the worst Tory Government's in modern history and Labour cannot even get close. There is a reason for that. The sooner the likes of you realise you need the support of the people who are turning away from Labour the better.
Why do you think the rules were changed last year to make it easier to trigger reselection? Do you think it was out of some democratic principle, or do you think it was so 'activists' could begin to remove those candidates who don't align with the leaders views?
Er what ? You do know the rule change last year was a compromise by the leader office, NEC, members and unions. The reason we didn't get open primaries was because the union leaders were worried about losing influencing in the party. Its been a long view of the labour left for many years to have a member lead/democratic labour party with open primaries(The americans have open primaries for feck sake). If you can't democratise your own party, how the hell are you doing to democratise the British economy.
And the MPs who have been removed by I guess Corbyn style androids are ? Most standing MPs who have faced re selection have won. The example we are talking about has nothing to do with Corbyn but members wanting a local candidate.
Khan is a awful mayor.
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Arrest them all.