Ignore that, just seen the article.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Under Labours proposed policies I can’t use my earnings to provide my children the best education I can afford because they’d shut down all private education, and after that, my limited and self earned, and already taxed life savings will again be massively taxed before I can give that to them. So exactly what should I spend my wage on???
(BTW: am I allowed to provide private home tuition for my kids under labaour’s scourge of privately funded education?)
So why would I put myself through the life of struggle and hard work? Maybe they should just get by with what the state gives them and I’ll just get by? Well done Labour for destroying the aspiration to progress.
This entire range of policies makes no sense because they lack empathy for the core life purpose of a massive vote bank. It will cost Corbyn his majority.
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Again 400k rather than 500k and your answer becomes why would i bother? Because you're still leaving money to them that's why. Because you want to give them what they need whilst they're alive to make them happy?
It's fairer to tax that unearned income than it is to put taxes up on those who are still alive.
I'm not differentiating between 400 and 500k. Whatever I leave them will have been taxed at various points throughout my life. Why should they be taxed on this 'already taxed' money? A government should have NO hand on money left to children in death.
Again, that 'income' as you put it (I call it a goodbye gift from their father) has already been taxed. I see it as unfair to tax it again, no argument will change my view on this.
This is a good post and sums up my current view of what the labour party have sadly become. I was brought up in a labour house and voted Labour for a long time as it represented what I felt I was.
I can't afford private education for my two. But nor am I so ideologically opposed to it (or jealous of it) that I would see the dismantlement of private schools. Basically, if I could afford it, I would do it.
On a lighter note, it looks like the Scottish Indy Ref campaign is starting to build up momentum again. Saw this belter earlier.
On a lighter note, it looks like the Scottish Indy Ref campaign is starting to build up momentum again. Saw this belter earlier.
Is geez pronounced Geh-ez or geese?
If you are in the uk you dont pay high taxes. Still, i doubt much of your tax goes to anyone needy.
They will be sitting especially for this on this Saturday.
Absolutely not, no.
Geese more or less but with a long zzz sound rather than the s.
Edit; in other words, the first one you posted
The irony is that an NI only customs union would probably turn out to be a massive economic advantage for the province. I would say that it would ultimately be the EU who were desperate to get them out of the backstop. As long as no moves were made in the direction of reunification, it could actually be win win for the people of NI including the DUP. Imagine the number of businesses that would like to benefit from that unique position.
DUP rejects new deal offer because all other parties and majority of people in Northern Ireland are in complete disagreement with them. DUP should be able to do what they want even without the support of most people because... they are the DUP.
'The double majority arrangement is designed to ensure we can never get out of customs union, given all the other parties are supportive of staying in the EU'
Nice one Sammy! Yes nobody wants this apart from you so to hell with everybody else!
With respect, you should read this article carefully and relate back to what I said about 'independent' auditors and the value for money aspects. The EU did after the Santer scandal do a lot to improve its financial oversight, but it does not have a rigorous independent audit procedure.
Incredible isn't it, you think they're unable to get that concept or just wilful liars? I'd assume the latter. Knowing the DUP i hope there's a very thorough investigation into their accounts.
How they've got the gall to have Democratic in their party name is beyond me.
Are the Tories going to continue to kowtow to these hypocrites given that they've lost the majority of the House anyway?
Are the Tories going to continue to kowtow to these hypocrites given that they've lost the majority of the House anyway?
yes... because it plays into the narrative of blaming the EU for rejecting the UK's (self titled) fair and reasonable proposals
The irony here is he is pretty much describing Democracy here yet the so called Democratic Unionist Party wont accept it.
Couldnt make it up.
This strategically curated narrative is only as good as the amount of people who will believe it...
its probably about 45% good then...
pretty shit in a two horse race... probably a 50-100 seat majority on a FPTP election... so 45% is probably good enough
For people like me the problem is more that that money has already been taxed. If I leave 500k I will already have paid over 500k on taxes on that. Take half of that again and your up to 75%. Add in politicians like BOJO who will gladly fcuck away 5 Billion to look good for 15 minutes and you might understand why not everyone is on board with this. (and I generally consider myself on the left).
It was 34% of those eligible to vote in the last referendum. I think it goes down considerably from that in any future referendum.
Of course just my opinion!
Last comment on this as feel like I'm diverting the thread.
Yes it has already been taxed but money is not only taxed once it's taxed at every stage of redistribution (which is to simplify spend then earn repeated across people). The difference here is that people feel redistribution within a family is somehow different, if you employed a family member you'd expect earnings to be taxed why because it's no longer your money yet unearned gifts are felt as "my money" so untaxed? You're dead it's not your money and it's an income.
It’s very badly conceived bollox, and will cost Labour many votes that they once had.
PS: you’ve yet to tell me what to spend my wages on when I can’t pay to educate my children or leave them untaxed inheritance. Should I just piss it away down the pub then?
You’re right, let’s leave it there.
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Its an interesting point... I think the vast majority of those that voted remain before would do so again, the vast majority who voted leave would do so again... some small shifts and of course demographically more of an advantage to remain as probably more young (generally remain) voters and fewer old (generally leave) voters... the three real drivers of success would be
1. Who can vote (eg lowering age to 16 like in indy ref, or allowing eu citizens resident in the uk to vote)
2. what the question was (it probably wouldnt be the same as it didnt resolve anything before)
3. that approx 33% of the population that didnt vote - there will be remain and leave people in that and energizing those would seem to be the best way for either side to get the vote up.
I have to say an appeal to base emotions probably is better at energising people than pragmatic arguments of economics
But in all of that the real thing to consider is will a GE or a referendum come first ... if its a GE then forget about all of the above because with a brexit/conservative alliance being the leave option, the remain vote split between several parties and a FPTP system there is a very good chance that there is a WTO commitment in a manifesto and a big enough majority in parliament to force it through
basically unless corbyn changes his mind on 2 things (backing somebody else to lead a GNU and a second referendum before a general election) I think leave on WTO rules is odds on (with as you say only a small % of the population actually voting for it)
I am positive that in the long term the libs will probably become the european democrats and eventually (10 years or so) we might get to rejoin having had a decade of lost growth and having to accept the Euro, no veto and a European Army - but in truth im ok with all those things and if my son gets freedom of movement back and European Citizenship around his 18th Birthday then im more than ok with that - Id rather win the war than win the battle and after the smug we got our country back and hoopla a decade of econnomic difficulties, a growing demographic in favour of being in Europe and not to mention us remoaners continuing to remoan with a good dose of told you so with each economic problem Im confident we ultimatley end up back where I think we belong and back in Europe ... but as for this particular battle - unless there is a referendum before a GE i think its probably going to be lost
Hopefully only temporary but it seems society has been either dumbed down enough to accept this type of language from political leaders. Or too apathetic to push back enough to change it.
Order in the popcorn now!
Given its also a planned Anti Brexit Saturday protest march as well, is that the day we might also see some good old fashioned civil disorder too?
So to watch on TV, or join the masses on the streets?! Maybe we can all meet up as a Cafe Anti Brexit clan?
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I don't know why you're expecting me to direct you how to spend your money, for one i know nothing about you and secondly i wouldn't if i did. There's a gap between discussing societal mechanisms and individuals.
There's plenty of ways you can enrich your kids lives/happiness/prospects with money or time apart from those two things and the pub.
Some speculation that Johnson might declare a state of emergency on the 19th, to avoid the Benn Act stuff.
will be interesting to see what happens
I could see several options being offered for indicative votes if no deal agreed with the eu - and all being rejected
Leave with no deal - loose
Mays Deal - Loose
Boris deal even though rejected by the EU - loose
Norway deal - loose (though this might have the best shot of going through)
remain - loose
At which point boris says there is no point in writing a letter to the eu as I cant give them a reason to give us an extension because parliament wont say what it wants and it wont vote for a general election
It isn't income, however you slice it. An income is money received in exchange for work/service/goods or through investment dividends. It's a essentially a quid-pro-quo financial transaction. Money you receive from family, whether that is pocket money for kids or inheritance for adults, does not fall into the definition of an income. An inheritance is a posthumous donation, the deceased gets nothing for it.
But we can argue, on a different thread, about what constitutes acceptable level of taxation for inheritances because there is merit on redistribution of accrued, generational family wealth.
you know what - there is a bunch of "crusties" around westminister for cummings to let the
call for protests on saturday - boris showboats in the commons and refuses to sign the surrender letter of the vermin romoaners... few heads get cracked open outside and state of emergency is declared - parliament is shut down and then see if the courts can force him to ask for an extension - I assume as a mimimum thats going to take a week or so and then even if they say he has to write the letter he can resign ...
yeah I could see them trying that
There is already an anti-Brexit march run by the People's Vote campaign planned for that day. Lets all go!
Of course this conversation is ridiculous, I'm saying we should have
.Green New Deal.
.Improved union rights
.Voting rights for non British & Irish Citizens
.4 day working Week
.Ending immigration detention centres
and you want
. Private schools.
No what stops Labour being electable is you not voting for them. The labour party have looked at the issue facing Britain and the world and have come up with a platform of change, you can't disagree with it and not vote for that platform but it is your choice. Now I do sort of get it, Labours platform isn't in your material interest potentially(I don't know how wealthy you are and it could just be a case of the ''embarrassed millionaires.”) But this alone shouldn't stop you from voting for them because well.......moral reasons(Which is what I'm trying to appeal too).
Shock surprise you live in the world with the rest of us. Your vote has a impact on other people and dismissing it by saying well everyone thinks of only themselves isn't going to cut it.
The advancement of everyone in society ? Why stop at the family ? feck why even stop at borders ? There are millions of people in world who don't have clean drinking water, billions of people who live on less than £10 a day, child labour is still a thing, the famine in Yemen, we are facing the biggest threat to mankind in climate change etc. Look I don't know what the purpose of life is, I'm guessing there's a savage Erich Fromm quote out there about it but I do know that the world needs to be fundamental change for people to even have the freedom to decided what the purpose of their own life should be.
The Labour Party for all its many many faults offers right now the possibility to fundamental change Britain into a country that could offer people this freedom. Ok so if that little monologue didn't change your mind, then feck it Corbyn will just have to take away your house.
Probably confidence motion and then either corbyn backs down and we get a PM of a GNU to ask for the extension or corbyn does not back down and we get a wto brexit as we have nobody to request the extension... with parliament dissolved 14 days after that and then a GE
Unless its decided that the queen can simply appoint a PM to write the letter (I suspect that will come with a side order of legal challenges)
p.s. Noted - 3rd language and all that
An extension to do what? Go round in circles forever. Either the UK goes or stays , obviously no-one can agree on anything in-between. Revoke or No deal and even if its no deal the UK still have to abide by the Withdrawal Agreement.
presumably an extension for a GE to see if we can get a parliamentary majority for something
Though it would be interesting to see what votes a norway type arrangement got if presented again (it does not have the political baggage of Mays deal) and it got quite a few votes before... if that got a majority then possibly that could form the basis of a renegotiation position and also justify an extension...
Think the EU would probably say take an extension till June - thats before the next EU budget comes in, it gives you time for a GE and a referendum but in the meantime no more negotations and some legal guarantee that there cant be another extension granted
unless cummings can get hold of the nuclear codes before then in which case i think he would just take out brussles and declare us an independent nation
Agreed, but via another referendum and not GE. IMO should be delinked from party politics.