Is Pogba as good as gone?

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

He was recruited specifically to help with that. He is part of the problem.

Nar, Keane, Rooney, Rio... all these guys would've felt like Pogba and fecked right off to pastures new in this current situation. If you want to keep top players, give them top managers and top players to play with and give them a chance of success.

Do you honestly think we have given any of our players a chance of success vs. City and Liverpool these past 2 years? Like feck we have and it's getting worse, talking about a fecking 3 year project with no big names, only honest players and lots of kids!

 

[JPRouve]

I'm not saying we're close.

He was recruited specifically to help with that. He is part of the problem. He is not bigger than the club. We're not here to accomodate him. He's paid to do a job that he is failing to do.

It's not a job that you do alone, he isn't failing to do anything when we have nothing resembling like a talented team. We all know it and that's why we have been moaning about the state of the squad in terms of lack of quality and depth. So unless you think that Pogba is supposed to scout future signings and negotiate their transfers, he isn't the one failing, none of our players are.

 

[Strelok]

Nar.... plenty of players departed Arsenal every year for the same reason. RVP, Sanchez, hell even Henry.

Pogba was promised one thing and the current reality is something quite different, just as in every walk of life, he has every right to be fuming with the state of the club and wasting his Prime years finishing 5th-6th in the Premier League.

I think most of us fans understand and are fine with him wanting to leave.

It's just what he and his fat twat is doing is really disrespectful and unfair to the the club. They're just trying to force a move with a cut price imo.

My opinion is always the same. If they want him, fine. Just be a gentleman, cough up the right price and he'll all yours. And in a world where some young 19 years old Felix could cost 126 €m then Pogba is definitely min 150 £m imho.

 

[Bilbo]

A couple of things I'm disappointed about:

• Pogba's silence in all of this. It would take one statement from him about how upset he is to be missing so much football, not being able to help the club right now, and all of this would go away. Either he is so far removed from reality that he is unaware of all this noise, or he simply doesn't want to be here, either way we need to rid ourselves of this player now.
• More disappointing for me is that nobody from the club has addressed Raiola's recent comments. There is taking a dignified silence and not flaming the fire, and then there is meekly standing by and allowing somebody to trash the club. I'm undecided what the best response is, but again its something that Pogba - who supposedly has United 'in his heart' or some crap - could score a lot of points with us all by backing the club

As it is now the guy means nothing to me, and shouldn't mean anything to any of us. He isn't an ambassador for the club and none of us really know anything about him. There is simply nothing there to love. What we have is an asset that should fetch £100-120m in the market, or even more if we handle things correctly, that we can sell and reinvest into players that are proud to wear the shirt. We have shown that we can beat very good teams without him, and as an added bonus we cut ties with his agent.

Get rid, put the money towards a big transfer pot in the summer and sort the squad out once and for all. Fans are frustrated right now but I'm confident that we are 3 good signings away from being a much, much better team. Pogba hasn't contributed on the pitch, but he can be a huge factor off of it when we use his market value to get us where we need to be.

 

[Jeffthered]

Some posters here have really lost it.

Instead of making silly, insulting and rather silly comments, present a credible and even possibly, interesting response for other Cafe members to consider. That's how a forum works.

My comments are my opinions on Pogba at United.

What are yours?

 

[romufc]

Pogba doesn’t have the mentality for that. He’s another Balotelli. Thinks he’s better than he is too.

He is nothing like Balotelli.

A WC winner, he has the mentality of a winner that is why he wants out of Manutd.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Some posters here have really lost it.

How are we matching the ambition of a top player? How on Earth have you used that smilie there? Must be the dumbest use of that smilie ever on these boards.

 

[Bilbo]

Pogba was promised one thing and the current reality is something quite different, just as in every walk of life, he has every right to be fuming with the state of the club and wasting his Prime years finishing 5th-6th in the Premier League.

He is a big boy and he made his own decision to come here. We signed him as our superstar player, and he is every bit as culpable as anyone else that he isn't playing Champions League football like he wants to. Whatever may or may not have been promised to him is irrelevant, as he hasn't performed on a consistent basis and therefore we could argue that he hasn't fulfilled his obligations either. He could and should have been the face of this football club for the last few seasons. Instead he's become a ghost, who says and does nothing while his agent attacks the club that pay his salary.

I hated Mourinho towards the end, but who here can say definitively that he wasn't right to want him out of this club?

 

[dirkey]

He is nothing like Balotelli.

A WC winner, he has the mentality of a winner that is why he wants out of Manutd.

He has the mentality of a winner when he's in a team that does all the hard running for him, and when that team is going well. As it is for United, when the chips are down (which is basically all the time now) he has moments of brilliance, but the majority of his time is spent faffing around, jogging back and disappearing. Basically, if United are in a dogfight, he gets outfought. And now, the longest running injury in quite a while, and now "his people" have decided he should have an operation? His people? What is that about? Why is it not the United people making the call? Because Pogba and "his people" are bigger than the club apparently. Including his specimen of an agent.

Can do amazing things when he wants to, but downs tools just as often. Sell him to a club built to succeed and win now, and he'll do well. And more power to him. But invest in players with heart, who want to play for United and lift them out of the current "doldrums" they're in.

 

[Bilbo]

He is nothing like Balotelli.

A WC winner, he has the mentality of a winner that is why he wants out of Manutd.

Can't agree with that last comment. Winning things doesn't necessarily mean that you have the mentality of a winner. In his case it means he is extremely talented and has been fortunate to play for some excellent sides. I haven't seen too many examples of Pogba demonstrating a winning mentality at United. He strikes me as a player that wants and needs everything around him to be perfect in order to produce his best.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

And in a world where some young 19 years old Felix could cost 126 €m then Pogba is definitely min 150 £m imho.

Felix aint worth 126 and should never have cost such a stupid amount. It's not a good argument.

As I say, we're Arsenal now but worse as unlike Wenger's Arsenal, we can't even guarantee CL football, so we're Moyes's Everton if you like. Expect therefore our top players to want out, just as they do at every other top 5th-6th club around the World.

Rooney was a MASSIVE Everton fan but pushed for the United move because Everton were a 5-6th placed team. Everton could have asked for 45m for Rooney but if you're a lesser club, you gotta understand your place and how upset some top players will be if you force them to stay.

Pogba telling the club he was desperate to leave last Summer because of the choices the club had made (new long term rebuilding plan with an unproven manager) should have meant they did everything to either pacify him (better manager, better players) or make a deal happen. They did neither, and just expected him to "suck it up", and now we're in this mess. At least Everton and Arsenal understood their place, we don't.

 

[The Urban Goose]

he is every bit as culpable as anyone else that he isn't playing Champions League football like he wants to.

Exactly this. If he made as much effort all season long as he did in the three months post-mourinho, we'd have finished top four last season, and would easily be top four this (and probably with Jadon Sancho on board).

Instead his agent wants to give it the "poor hard-done by Pogba" bullshit while he and his client have pocketed and are pocketing huge amounts of money from this club.

Feck the both of them.

 

[Mainoldo]

He has the mentality of a winner when he's in a team that does all the hard running for him, and when that team is going well. As it is for United, when the chips are down (which is basically all the time now) he has moments of brilliance, but the majority of his time is spent faffing around, jogging back and disappearing. Basically, if United are in a dogfight, he gets outfought. And now, the longest running injury in quite a while, and now "his people" have decided he should have an operation? His people? What is that about? Why is it not the United people making the call? Because Pogba and "his people" are bigger than the club apparently. Including his specimen of an agent.

Can do amazing things when he wants to, but downs tools just as often. Sell him to a club built to succeed and win now, and he'll do well. And more power to him. But invest in players with heart, who want to play for United and lift them out of the current "doldrums" they're in.

He’s got a Euro’s in the summer where France have a very good chance of winning. Especially if he is fit. I’m sure he is doing everything he can to make sure he is. I’m not quite sure our shite show of a season is much of his concern.

The only people to blame for that is Manchester United. But we can’t do that can we.. too much ego, so we will blame Pogba.

 

[GBBQ]

Nar.... plenty of players departed Arsenal every year for the same reason. RVP, Sanchez, hell even Henry.

Pogba was promised one thing and the current reality is something quite different, just as in every walk of life, he has every right to be fuming with the state of the club and wasting his Prime years finishing 5th-6th in the Premier League.

I mean the above would be all fine and true if you ever really believed Pogba was committed to United. Its not even the first time he'd be bailing out on United (and at that stage he had all the opportunities to win trophies).

I am not defending United, we're a mess (and will be until we get the right structure and management in place) but there are talented players in the team who get on with it and try play through the bad times. They might be pissed off and want out but you'd never know it through their actions on and off the pitch. Even something as simple as comparing the twitter bios of De Gea, Rashford and Martial to that of Pogba. No reference at all to the team who pays his wages.

 

[Mainoldo]

Exactly this. If he made as much effort all season long as he did in the three months post-mourinho, we'd have finished top four last season, and would easily be top four this (and probably with Jadon Sancho on board).

Instead his agent wants to give it the "poor hard-done by Pogba" bullshit while he and his client have pocketed and are pocketing huge amounts of money from this club.

Feck the both of them.

Do you have that same energy for £300k a week David De Gea and if not. Why don’t you?

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Felix aint worth 126 and should never have cost such a stupid amount. It's not a good argument.

As I say, we're Arsenal now but worse as unlike Wenger's Arsenal, we can't even guarantee CL football, so we're Moyes's Everton if you like. Expect therefore our top players to want out, just as they do at every other top 5th-6th club around the World.

Rooney was a MASSIVE Everton fan but pushed for the United move because Everton were a 5-6th placed team. Everton could have asked for 45m for Rooney but if you're a lesser club, you gotta understand your place and how upset some top players will be if you force them to stay.

Pogba telling the club he was desperate to leave last Summer because of the choices the club had made (new long term rebuilding plan with an unproven manager) should have meant they did everything to either pacify him (better manager, better players) or make a deal happen. They did neither, and just expected him to "suck it up", and now we're in this mess. At least Everton and Arsenal understood their place, we don't.

Hahaha Riola is that you? He helped a world class manager (apparently) eventually get the sack now he’s not happy with his replacement (who helped him when he was a snotty nose kid). Maybe we should let Pogba and Riola run the club as well, decide on managers and transfer policy?

 

[Escobar]

He will leave in the summer. No point staying imo, he‘s too good for us right now

 

[Falcow]

We should keep him, allow him and Ravioli to choose our next manager and give them 300m to buy new players that allow him to flourish in his best position.

Am I missing any his excuses here? Maybe throw in another 3 month break in Miami to make sure he is fully rested?

Big tournament coming up in the summer, I'm sure he will want to give his all for that like he did in the last one and hasn't been seen since.

If anyone is wondering why his people are insisting on him having the op now it is to ensure his is ready for the tournament in the summer. United's priorities come a distant second I'm afraid....so what if we need him now.

 

[Yagami]

Exactly this. If he made as much effort all season long as he did in the three months post-mourinho, we'd have finished top four last season, and would easily be top four this (and probably with Jadon Sancho on board).

Or if our other players stepped up.

Or if our coach could create a system instead of relying on one individual to carry the entire team.

Or if, for the first part of the season, we didn't have a manager actively sabotaging the club.

Some of the criticism for Pogba is crazy.

He is nothing like Balotelli.

A WC winner, he has the mentality of a winner that is why he wants out of Manutd.

That, and the fans choosing him as the scapegoat for our rubbish football has probably helped, too. The abuse he got at the end of last season was mental.

 

[swred]

What i don't get with PP is, if he wants out, fair enough, we all want him gone (he's talented, but just CBA for Utd anymore).
I'd imagine the club do as they can cash in if he's not going to play.

Surely you say to him, we'll let you go in the summer, but you'll need to work your socks off to maximise your price, he looks good in the games, we get a decent talent until the end of the season, price is maximised, French Euro squad position secured, everyone's happy.

 

[The Urban Goose]

Do you have that same energy for £300k a week David De Gea and if not. Why don’t you?

While DDG is also culpable for the same lack of top four last season and this, his and Pogba's apparent attitudes cannot be compared.

Feel free to ask that question again when DDG's agent is continually slagging off the club in the press.

 

[romufc]

He has the mentality of a winner when he's in a team that does all the hard running for him, and when that team is going well. As it is for United, when the chips are down (which is basically all the time now) he has moments of brilliance, but the majority of his time is spent faffing around, jogging back and disappearing. Basically, if United are in a dogfight, he gets outfought. And now, the longest running injury in quite a while, and now "his people" have decided he should have an operation? His people? What is that about? Why is it not the United people making the call? Because Pogba and "his people" are bigger than the club apparently. Including his specimen of an agent.

Can do amazing things when he wants to, but downs tools just as often. Sell him to a club built to succeed and win now, and he'll do well. And more power to him. But invest in players with heart, who want to play for United and lift them out of the current "doldrums" they're in.

Agreed, Pogba is the final piece of the puzzle. You cannot have final piece when the rest of the pieces are wrong.

We barely have the foundations of a good team. There is not one single player in this team that 90% of fans are happy with.

DDG - Started to make too many mistakes
Maguire and Lindelof - The Caf is divided
Shaw - Most on here want him replaced (not me)
AWB - Starting to get a few fans against him

How can we fit Pogba in this team?

I agree we need to sell him, and invest in players who will work for the team and then maybe in a year or twos time when we may have a good team we can add the cherry on the icing.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

He will leave in the summer. No point staying imo, he‘s too good for us right now

He’s absolutely no good for us right now.

 

[romufc]

Can't agree with that last comment. Winning things doesn't necessarily mean that you have the mentality of a winner. In his case it means he is extremely talented and has been fortunate to play for some excellent sides. I haven't seen too many examples of Pogba demonstrating a winning mentality at United. He strikes me as a player that wants and needs everything around him to be perfect in order to produce his best.

I suggest you go watch the video of him giving a team talk prior to the WC final.

Just because he doesn't seem like it on the pitch, he still has that winning mentality.

He is our most talented player but unfortunately over the last year he has been in the media for negative reasons.

 

[Majima]

I hated Mourinho towards the end, but who here can say definitively that he wasn't right to want him out of this club?

Me. Pogba has ambitions to win the top trophies.

I would like to see the club match that ambition and invest seriously. All I see right now is a club that has meekly given up competing (where are Ed's chest thumping "watch this space" comments now?) and it makes me sick to my stomach.

Everyone should be up in arms at the news of Pogba wanting to leave, as it signals the future for us. If Rashford becomes top class, then he'll be off too under this current direction.

We are turning into a nothing club, who's top players leave to win trophies before our very eyes. Can you not see that? Are you happy to accept that?

 

[Ranchero]

He doesn't want to be here. The pathetic excuses for why he cannot play are in my view just that. Does anyone really think he needs an op? Note that all the statements about his condition are from HIS people. Ole quotes HIS staff. Does our club not have any scrutiny with all the money he is being paid??!!

I wonder if there will be any sign of an op if Real Madrid or Juventus want to buy him. I wonder he will be ready to play. Hmm.

 

[Posh Red]

Exactly this. If he made as much effort all season long as he did in the three months post-mourinho, we'd have finished top four last season, and would easily be top four this (and probably with Jadon Sancho on board).

Instead his agent wants to give it the "poor hard-done by Pogba" bullshit while he and his client have pocketed and are pocketing huge amounts of money from this club.

Feck the both of them.

so it’s now Pogba’s fault we didn’t sign Sancho? Heard it all now

 

[RoyH1]

No chance he leaves unless someone pays us at the very least what we paid for him plus one. Woodie is not going to allow himself to lose face because of Raiola.

 

[Tincanalley]

He has the mentality of a winner when he's in a team that does all the hard running for him, and when that team is going well. As it is for United, when the chips are down (which is basically all the time now) he has moments of brilliance, but the majority of his time is spent faffing around, jogging back and disappearing. Basically, if United are in a dogfight, he gets outfought. And now, the longest running injury in quite a while, and now "his people" have decided he should have an operation? His people? What is that about? Why is it not the United people making the call? Because Pogba and "his people" are bigger than the club apparently. Including his specimen of an agent.

Can do amazing things when he wants to, but downs tools just as often. Sell him to a club built to succeed and win now, and he'll do well. And more power to him. But invest in players with heart, who want to play for United and lift them out of the current "doldrums" they're in.

I enjoyed this post. And I agree.

 

[dirkey]

He’s got a Euro’s in the summer where France have a very good chance of winning. Especially if he is fit. I’m sure he is doing everything he can to make sure he is. I’m not quite sure our shite show of a season is much of his concern.

The only people to blame for that is Manchester United. But we can’t do that can we.. too much ego, so we will blame Pogba.

Yeah, that's what he should focus on. To hell with the people who pay him an extortionate amount of money to play, or in this case not play, football every week.

 

[JPRouve]

He has the mentality of a winner when he's in a team that does all the hard running for him, and when that team is going well. As it is for United, when the chips are down (which is basically all the time now) he has moments of brilliance, but the majority of his time is spent faffing around, jogging back and disappearing. Basically, if United are in a dogfight, he gets outfought. And now, the longest running injury in quite a while, and now "his people" have decided he should have an operation? His people? What is that about? Why is it not the United people making the call? Because Pogba and "his people" are bigger than the club apparently. Including his specimen of an agent.

Can do amazing things when he wants to, but downs tools just as often. Sell him to a club built to succeed and win now, and he'll do well. And more power to him. But invest in players with heart, who want to play for United and lift them out of the current "doldrums" they're in.

Because that's illegal? We are talking about a medical procedure, something that concerns his physical integrity beyond any contract that he may currently have with his employer.

 

[Member 101269]

Yeah, that's what he should focus on. To hell with the people who pay him an extortionate amount of money to play, or in this case not play, football every week.

Oh the Euro shop window; Adidas Athlete etc etc

 

[Bestietom]

I think if we got a very good offer for Pogba now, he would be let go. Player plus cash deal would probably be taken if the player in question suited us. What do you think.

 

[Mainoldo]

While DDG is also culpable for the same lack of top four last season and this, his and Pogba's apparent attitudes cannot be compared.

Feel free to ask that question again when DDG's agent is continually slagging off the club in the press.

The man tried to leave twice? Was saved by a fax machine.. I don’t remember Pogba having a bid accepted and I don’t see any difference in attitudes.. we didn’t see De Gea for a whole 3 weeks when he was set to leave and we are still trying to figure out why he couldn’t perform when he was in contract negations and why he’s been stripped of the captaincy. It’s all the same as Pogba except your going to tell me his mouthy agent makes it different?

So again why is the energy different?

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Yeah, that's what he should focus on. To hell with the people who pay him an extortionate amount of money to play, or in this case not play, football every week.

What an argument he put up there, focus on his country and united are not his concern

Can we have our £295k a week back then please?

 

[Mainoldo]

Yeah, that's what he should focus on. To hell with the people who pay him an extortionate amount of money to play, or in this case not play, football every week.

You keep saying extortionate amount of money? Is he not worth of a salary? Should he be lucky to be earning or something?

Not his fault we pay big money for crap talent like Phil Jones and Luke Shaw.

 

[pocco]

Raiola's comments about United are the final straw, without a doubt. He's absolutely trashed us, Solskjaer, Woodward etc. He simply has to go, there is no way back.

Anybody that is still arguing his case is naive and out of touch with reality. Have some fecking pride, this player is shitting on you and all the other supporters and you're just lapping it all up like some desperate idiots.

 

[Mainoldo]

What an argument he put up there, focus on his country and united are not his concern

Can we have our £295k a week back then please?

Can we? Our manager came out and told us we are basically throwing away a season.. maybe we shouldn’t pay him for not doing his job either or maybe the season ticket holders should get there money back, as this season means nothing.

But let’s focus on Pogba

 

[JPRouve]

The man tried to leave twice? Was saved by a fax machine.. I don’t remember Pogba having a bid accepted and I don’t see any difference in attitudes.. we didn’t see De Gea for a whole 3 weeks when he was set to leave and we are still trying to figure out why he couldn’t perform when he was in contract negations and why he’s been stripped of the captaincy. It’s all the same as Pogba except your going to tell me his mouthy agent makes it different?

So again why is the energy different?

Because Mendes unlike Raiola uses the press to do his dirty work. Mendes tells a journalist to write articles about De Gea being homesick, missing his girlfriend or his moms food while organizing a transfer to Madrid. Funnily enough in 2018 Steele justified De Gea's possible wish to leave by saying that he may want to win the CL and that he doesn't blame him.

 

[dirkey]

You keep saying extortionate amount of money? Is he not worth of a salary? Should he be lucky to be earning or something?

Not his fault we pay big money for crap talent like Phil Jones and Luke Shaw.

He's worthy of his salary when he works for it. But, for you, he should focus on the Euros. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but Man United, who pay his salary don't play in the Euros?

Is he worthy of a salary? Yes. Is he worth what we pay him? Absolutely not, in my opinion, even when he feels like playing. Which he clearly doesn't right now.