Yeah I've always hated Madrid and their white hanky waving. But we are the complete opposite with how content we are with accepting mediocrity which ironically promotes it.
Our current manager delivered arguably the finest moment in our entire history. He scored a last minute winner in the CL final to seal the historic treble. Of course that's going to have an effect with most fans. He's a legend.
This was always going to be an issue giving him job. Nobody would like to sack him if he wasn't up to it. The club certainly don't seem like they want to.
Based on what you'd think Ed and our fecking clueless board could get your "right manager" here ?You should only spend big if we have a right manager in. Spending big under a League One manager will make our position much worse.
Sacking him is absolutely a solution here. It's what every top team does.
Based on what you'd think Ed and our fecking clueless board could get your "right manager" here ?
And even if we could get "a right manager" based on what you'd think with Ed and co. still at the board we would make the right buy?
As I said, I was once so naive, just like you now thinking changing manager would solve anything. Our problem is just much more than that. If you like, yeah sack Ole. That won't change a damn thing. Both Klopp and Pep refused to come to Utd. And they were right, sadly.
We haven't reached the bottom, not even close.
You still don't get it.Based being absolutely sure that our current manager is probably the worst in our history.
If the Liverpool owners were thinking like you are now they would've never appointed Klopp in the first place but rather continue with Dalglish or Rodgers(who is also miles better than Ole, btw).
Sacking, hiring might get you a right manager. Not sacking and keeping the wrong one clearly won't.
I can't imagine Juve or Real fans taking this shot lying down tbh.
Have AC Milan fans kicked off much?
Yeah I've always hated Madrid and their white hanky waving. But we are the complete opposite with how content we are with accepting mediocrity which ironically promotes it.
Once Ole is sacked, maybe Woodward will call up Sheringham.
After all, he equalized vs Bayern.
Then maybe he'll finally give it to Giggsy once Teddy fails.
Who cares what he did as a player? The only thing that matters is his managerial ability. And it's putrid.
You still don't get it.
First, your "right manager" would just refuse us the same way Klopp and Pep did. Even us fans would know how shit our state is as a football club, the guys in the football world would have no idea? Honestly I'd doubt any great manager (or even potential great) with a serious football project would come to us now.
Second, your idea is the same with having a broken machine making broken products. Yeah keep making those. Maybe we'll get a good one, the last one was crap. How about a new machine?
And about Liverpool owners. Klopp refused us but came to Liverpool. Does this tell you something about our owners and Liverpool owners?
Honestly I don't get the hate you gave to Ole and you not mentioning a thing about the Glazers, Ed and co while it's clear as day that those are our biggest problem.
Can you imagine if Real Madrid were enduring a season like ours?
I think Ole would need security to make it out of the Bernabeu alive and riots would ensue.
Their fans demand success.
Ours don't care if our manager make us much worse, because he's a former player and he gets the club.
I don't like the concept of booing during the match but I think way we've been run and managed in recent years calls for some sort of protest by the fans. The club is for the fans who absolutely have the right to express dissatisfaction at the state of things. In fact I'd argue that our matchgoing fans who I respect and admire (especially the away match goers), are far too passive and naive.
There is not only one 'right manager', there are many that can improve us.
You are not getting it, not me. If the machine is broken, you do nothing ? Is that your solution?
About Klopp - when Liverpool signed him we already had a manager, you don't know the exact details to paint it black and white.
I've made the stance on Glazers and Ed long time ago and say it in every other post that they are one of the biggest problems, but so is Ole is that so difficult to understand?
Ole is also their puppet and protecting him and backing him is essentially backing the Glazers.
Great, at least we could agree on Glazers and Ed being our biggest problem.
Now, about sacking Ole and get a new one:
1. The puppet word is a bit harsh, I would say "in line". The new one must be in line with the Glazers and Ed as well. Otherwise do you think he can get the job?
2. As he is in line with the Glazers and Ed, do you think he's a great manager and our "right manager" ? I'd doubt so.
3. Then you'll give the Glazers and Ed at least another one year of "revaluation of the squad and the new manager". No money spent or worse, lot money spent but bad buys.
Or:
1. Demote Ed to commercial matters only and sack this fecking clueless board immediately. I would like the Glazers to be gone as well but it seems just impossible.
2. Hire a good DOF and make sure the board are fulled with football expert people.
3. Start from that. Look for a new manager if the DOF and new board think Ole is not good enough.
Which one is better in your opinion?
This low form has been brewing for years. For me last night I saw the announced team and felt a surge of hatred for the money we’ve wasted over the last five seasons. In that time (before Ole) we’ve spent over half a billion pounds and have nothing (apart from Martial and Pogba) to show for it.
At this point I'm afraid it's just a waste of time tbh. You seem to not even understand what I said. We'd better stop here mate.1. Ole won't get a top job anywhere bar United. He is much more 'in line' than say Poch who often spoke his mind and stayed at Spurs for more than 5 years.
2. Glazers and Ed aren't footballing guys. The manager is. He is the one who will make the biggest difference on the pitch straight away.
3. I'm not sure where this nonsense is coming from. We have spent and spent every year since Fergie retired. We have spent 150m this Summer, spending isn't our problem, obviously. Just getting good players won't cut it. As I've said players like Maguire, AWB and James - who have looked good initially have regressed in the last couple of months and is visible to see.
1* - Ole is Ed's appointment, sacking him will point the fingers at him, continuing with him is backing him and his 'plan'.
2* - no arguments there, but under Ole this is not on the cards - visible since the last year.
3* - again the Ole 'plan' doesn't include hiring a DoF.
Let me ask you this, Glazers were here since 2005. We won 5 PL titles, CL and numerous other titles under world class manager. We didn't have a DoF then.At this point I'm afraid it's just a waste of time tbh. You seem to not even understand what I said. We'd better stop here mate.
Anyway, back to the topic.
I don't think it's possible to get rid of the Glazers. It's their club. And it costs a fortune. It seems just impossible to get rid of them regardless of how much we hate them.
So, the solution here is to voice our discontent against Ed & co and make the Glazers heard of that. To a point that they'd understand that a change is a must. Especially on Ed stepping down from football matters. And a DoF.
Problem is sacking Ole and hiring someone else won't solve this. May give a new manager bump but that's all. And would give Ed another year to "evaluate the squad" again without any big buy.
Our true problem is the Glazzers, Ed and the board. Saying #Oleout is actually helping the real culprits imo.
All those clubs have people in charge who breathe football and want glory above profit.
I agree. Sure, jeering your own players is not a good look and should only be reserved for extreme circumstances, but the manner in which some fans are just fine with how things are going disgusts me.
It's almost as if there's an unwritten rule within our fanbase, especially those who are influential and belongs to a certain demographic, that you're automatically a better fan if you just chant about our past glory for ninety minutes and shut up otherwise. Noisy Nigerian fans, red-eyed Chinese fans and matchgoing fans on the brink of giving up their season tickets demanding change? 'Nah, we could do without them. Spoiled twats. They're not real fans.' You see this stuff on Twitter every time.
Feck right off.
There's no way this thread will descend into local and foreign United fans exchanging barbs about how best to behave at Old Trafford. No sirree.
Always the oot to blame.
I doubt there so many out of uk fans in that stadium, not in the numbers that can drive old trafford somewhere.
You'd think coming to UK and actually got a ticket to a derby is for anyone.
Then you'll give the Glazers and Ed at least another one year of "revaluation of the squad and the new manager". No money spent or worse, lot money spent but bad buys. Pretty the same shit as now imo.
I'm not sure where this nonsense is coming from. We have spent and spent every year since Fergie retired. We have spent 150m this Summer, spending isn't our problem, obviously. Just getting good players won't cut it. As I've said players like Maguire, AWB and James - who have looked good initially have regressed in the last couple of months and is visible to see.
There is not only one 'right manager', there are many that can improve us.
You are not getting it, not me. If the machine is broken, you do nothing ? Is that your solution?
About Klopp - when Liverpool signed him we already had a manager, you don't know the exact details to paint it black and white.
I've made the stance on Glazers and Ed long time ago and say it in every other post that they are one of the biggest problems, but so is Ole is that so difficult to understand?
Ole is also their puppet and protecting him and backing him is essentially backing the Glazers.
The club spent 75m net if we are to be exact.It's not nonsense.
The club themselves said we are in a rebuild phase.
That means you re build- invest money.
You don't say I want to rebuild my house, spend over the top on heating and sell the electrical goods and say but we spent alot on the heating.
In a rebuild - if you sell (Lukaku, Herrera) you have to at the least replace them and add.
The club spend £50m net spend a year and fans think ohh we spend so much money.
Of course. Klopp rejecting us is a nonsense. What we should've done is hired Jose when we hired Moyes, then after 3-4 seasons of him challenging for top honours (he did win the PL at the time and he would've had a championship winning team at his disposal) we should've hired a young progressive coach like Nagelsmann, Ten Hag or Rose...This is what grinds my gear, people keep talking about the "Klopp reject us and go to Liverpool" without any context.
When we appointed Moyes, Klopp was still doing fine with Dortmund and, as a football man, it's quite hard to make him left Dortmund. Liverpool didn't get him at that time either.
When Klopp finally left Dortmund, we already appointed LVG.
When Klopp went to Liverpool, LVG finished top 4 last season and started that season pretty positive (we were top 3 with just some points of top), no way we can justify sacking LVG at that time to appoint Klopp.
So, all in all, Klopp is our missed chances, but saying he rejected us to go to Liverpool is just wrong.
The club spent 75m net if we are to be exact.
Moreover lot is spouted on how much Jose spent(rightfully so of course), but let me ask you this - how does Jose's spending look like if he decided to sell Pogba and Lukaku last Summer?
Considering Pogba is 100m and more asset and Lukaku was sold roughly for 75m pounds?
He'd break even...
Fact is we had 150m(175m EUR) pounds for a rebuild, we decided to spend it on 3 players, net or not.
What did people expect? 300m to be available?
You can buy a whole team with 175m EUR from the continent if you ditch the Brexit ideology that could easily beat our best current side.
Mass walkout is better.Home fans should remain silent for 5 mins at the start of next match as a sign of protest against how the club is being run.
This is what grinds my gear, people keep talking about the "Klopp reject us and go to Liverpool" without any context.
When we appointed Moyes, Klopp was still doing fine with Dortmund and, as a football man, it's quite hard to make him left Dortmund. Liverpool didn't get him at that time either.
When Klopp finally left Dortmund, we already appointed LVG.
When Klopp went to Liverpool, LVG finished top 4 last season and started that season pretty positive (we were top 3 with just some points of top), no way we can justify sacking LVG at that time to appoint Klopp.
So, all in all, Klopp is our missed chances, but saying he rejected us to go to Liverpool is just wrong.
